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darchChylde -> Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 3:43:06 PM)

A couple of statements on the recent oral sex thread grabbed my attention and brought some questions to mind. 

Please note that i am taking these statements at face value and any underlying thoughts that i ascribe to the following quotes are my own assumptions.  

Quoted with permission:
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: MsIncontrol

I routinely engage in oral sex with my submissive partner, but never on my knees :-)

 
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ORIGINAL: PsyVamp

I laughed when I saw this... checking my mental Rolodex for memories... and yup, you guessed it, not on my knees...

 

While I understand that being on one’s knees is traditionally considered a submissive position, I wonder how prevalent this really is.   

-Is being on one’s knees so non-Dominant as to be strenuously avoided?  

-Does your convenience ever get pushed to the back-burner in order to keep the image of Dominance?  

-What if you are tying your submissive’s ankles to a standing cross, is it ok to go to your knees in order to get there comfortably?  

-Is being on one knee less submissive or more dominant than being on both?  


When a submissive can be ordered by their dominant to beat them, and in so doing still be considered submissive; in my opinion the entire idea of acts or positions being strictly dominant or submissive in nature just sort of collapses. 

What are your thoughts, can you be a Dominant on your knees?




Lockit -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 3:45:54 PM)

I am dominant where ever I be...  I get on my knee's all the time... I just can't get up!




Lashra -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:17:34 PM)

I do not believe being on ones knees or not has anything to do with dominance. I know I've pushed my sub against the wall and told him not to move while I knealt in front of him (when there hasnt been a chair or ottoman around) putting clothespins on his balls then teased his cock with my tongue. I'm doing what I want to do at a height that works for me and the broken discs in my back and he is obeying me by standing still and taking the pain I inflict on him. I can't see how that is wrong or submissive.

Just my 2 cents

~Lashra




SweetDommes -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:17:52 PM)

I don't do oral while on my knees because it's not comfortable - has nothing to do with feeling domimant or submissive or who is in a more dominant or submisive position.  I also, like Lockit, find it very difficult to get back up because of an old knee injury.




MissHarlet -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:19:48 PM)

Dominant position is whatever position I choose to be in .... Jeeze .. who comes up with all these " rules " lol ...




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:22:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

I am dominant where ever I be...  I get on my knee's all the time... I just can't get up!


LOL!  You beat me to it......I have no issues with getting on my knees, as long as I have something to help me get back UP again.....




MsIncontrol -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:23:32 PM)

I said it as more of a joke, but it is true, I never give a BJ on my knees for the fact that I do see that as a submissive act.  However, your post made me think a little.  I am a Dominant wherever that may be.  I am often on my knees tying a leg to a chair, wrapping rope or duct taping body parts together.  I move to where it is most convenient without thinking of positioning in a D/s way.

My husband is 6'4" and I am 5'0"...so when he is on his knees we actually are face to face..LOL.  He is often looking down at me..and I don't see him as being dominant to me in any way.




MyMasterStephen -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:26:21 PM)

I have a major shoe fetish, and I have in the past knelt before a sub and kissed her shoes.  She knows I'm still the Dom, I know I'm still the Dom...  Nothing else matters.

Do what you want.  It means nothing except what YOU choose it to mean.




Lockit -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:38:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

I am dominant where ever I be...  I get on my knee's all the time... I just can't get up!


LOL!  You beat me to it......I have no issues with getting on my knees, as long as I have something to help me get back UP again.....


Well... from my experience... I must say that hard weenies work really well.  Everybody's happy!




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:50:38 PM)

You are so right!  Wood overcomes arthritis any day. [:D]




darchChylde -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:51:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

I am dominant where ever I be...  I get on my knee's all the time... I just can't get up!


LOL!  You beat me to it......I have no issues with getting on my knees, as long as I have something to help me get back UP again.....


Well... from my experience... I must say that hard weenies work really well.  Everybody's happy!


OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!

and one more thing

OUCH!!! 




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:53:38 PM)

Did you say something, darchChylde?




DominaJayde -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:58:42 PM)

I get into whatever position I need to get into, but on my knees is a bit of a no-no simply because once down there my right knee tends to lock and I can't  move it, and it hurts, and I'm not into pain, I also look undignified and that I like that even less than pain *grin*.  I give BJs either sitting on a chair, stool or edge of the bed.

DJ





LadyHibiscus -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 4:59:51 PM)

Okay, I am seeing a trend here........




Lockit -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 5:01:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: darchChylde

OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!  OUCH!!!

and one more thing

OUCH!!! 



Would you care for some wrapping to go with that ouch?  Bandaids... Ace bandages... or some of my more devious wrappings?  They can be quite shocking!




darchChylde -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 5:12:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Okay, I am seeing a trend here........


Yes, it seems that female dominants have a predisposition to knee problems; i sense another thread here, if anyone wants to they can feel free to hijack this one.

By the way, both Ma'am and myself have knee problems.  She is very considerate to my own and grants me leave to find myself a comfortable position, usually involving shifting from one position to the next.  i prefer to think of it less as "on my knees" and more of it as "at Her feet".




SixFootMaster -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 5:14:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: darchChylde

A couple of statements on the recent oral sex thread grabbed my attention and brought some questions to mind. 

Please note that i am taking these statements at face value and any underlying thoughts that i ascribe to the following quotes are my own assumptions.  

Quoted with permission:
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: MsIncontrol

I routinely engage in oral sex with my submissive partner, but never on my knees :-)

 
quote:

ORIGINAL: PsyVamp

I laughed when I saw this... checking my mental Rolodex for memories... and yup, you guessed it, not on my knees...

 

While I understand that being on one’s knees is traditionally considered a submissive position, I wonder how prevalent this really is.   

-Is being on one’s knees so non-Dominant as to be strenuously avoided?  

-Does your convenience ever get pushed to the back-burner in order to keep the image of Dominance?  

-What if you are tying your submissive’s ankles to a standing cross, is it ok to go to your knees in order to get there comfortably?  

-Is being on one knee less submissive or more dominant than being on both?  


When a submissive can be ordered by their dominant to beat them, and in so doing still be considered submissive; in my opinion the entire idea of acts or positions being strictly dominant or submissive in nature just sort of collapses. 

What are your thoughts, can you be a Dominant on your knees?



The act of kneeling places one in a submissive position psychologically, by lowering ones-self beneath that of the dominant. This is pretty much hardwired and is as much an innate instinct harking back to pack animals days, as it is one of subconscious reaction to body language. If you think about it, you'll probably notice that your mind falls into a more submissive mode when you kneel in relation to your dominant.

The key here though is that it is kneeling in relation to something, rather than kneeling itself, that manifests the submissive state - kneeling before, kneeling under, etc. For dominants, the position may actually be innately distasteful or aggravating.

The same sort of "submitting" association extends to how we shake hands, for example - with a palm up or partly up being more submissive than a grip with the palm down or partly down. You may not even notice you are reacting to the body language.

Six.




SixFootMaster -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 5:15:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: darchChylde

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Okay, I am seeing a trend here........


Yes, it seems that female dominants have a predisposition to knee problems; i sense another thread here, if anyone wants to they can feel free to hijack this one.

By the way, both Ma'am and myself have knee problems.  She is very considerate to my own and grants me leave to find myself a comfortable position, usually involving shifting from one position to the next.  i prefer to think of it less as "on my knees" and more of it as at "Her feet".



I bolded the part of your quote above as this is exactly what I mean. Kneeling is essentially being at the feet of a dominant authority.

Six.




Lockit -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 5:27:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

The act of kneeling places one in a submissive position psychologically, by lowering ones-self beneath that of the dominant. This is pretty much hardwired and is as much an innate instinct harking back to pack animals days, as it is one of subconscious reaction to body language. If you think about it, you'll probably notice that your mind falls into a more submissive mode when you kneel in relation to your dominant.

The key here though is that it is kneeling in relation to something, rather than kneeling itself, that manifests the submissive state - kneeling before, kneeling under, etc. For dominants, the position may actually be innately distasteful or aggravating.

The same sort of "submitting" association extends to how we shake hands, for example - with a palm up or partly up being more submissive than a grip with the palm down or partly down. You may not even notice you are reacting to the body language.

Six.



I am sorry your dominance is so conditional.  Mine is not.  I am dominant period and has nothing to do with history or how you partake of it.  What?  Besides expert on lifestyle, you major in history?  Speak for yourself please, or is this something other male dominant's feel and you are speaking for them as well?  It seems the ladies have spoken and not one feels as you do.  And as for being a shrink... well I don't think you fit that either unless you are very cold.  At least that is what I have heard. 

Yes I am being a smart ass... but it seems you are continually trying to be a pain.  If you will kneel, I could help you with that.




SixFootMaster -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/2/2008 5:43:24 PM)

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What the hell are you talking about woman? Did I say anything about dominance being conditional? I'm talking about the position of kneeling, and how it has a definite and measurable effect on the psyche.

Shall I find some references for you on body language, pack behavior, the connection between mind and body, and so on?

Kneeling extends from two related body language dynamics

The first is submission, which places the submitter as physically lower to the one submitted to. This is not necessarily a question of dominance, but also authority. Medieval knights knelt one knee to their commander, men kneel on one knee when proposing marriage. A defeated enemy kneels to the victor while awaiting judgment in the arena. Christians and Muslims kneel in prayer (or used to). In the dreaded Gorean world, there are a variety of slave poses known only as "nadu" - literally "to kneel". Since time immemorial kneeling has been and continues to be a sign of submission. Kneeling carries with it feelings of humility and submission.

The second is related, but slightly different, in that humans - and indeed most animals - will strive to make themselves smaller when endeavoring to appear non-threatening. We have related behaviors of crossing the arms and/or legs, pulling the shoulders forward and hunching. Kneeling will also occur in this situation.

Now as I said, dominants may indeed find kneeling an aggravating position.

Did you just want to be sarky, or what?

Six.

Edited for typos.




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