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RE: Racist - 3/17/2008 4:48:40 PM   
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RE: Racist - 3/17/2008 6:03:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Says who?


So, things are way better and it's working, great. Keep it up. In fact I'm going to go look for the most dense black population area in the nation and move right in, I mean it must be pretty nice with all this advancement do these government policies, we've had. I was in east Saint Louis a few years back, and it's nearly a 100% black in the worst areas, with half collapsed buildings you can see even from the interstate, but that must have been fixed do to these programs and policies And here I thought shit was still fucked up, and you go and ask me who says it's still messed up, after 50 years of government policies directed at it. I must just be out of the loop, I didn't realize there wasn't a big problem still in the black community.

But if the programs are working there must not be.

I concede.

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Did you know that over 80% of welfare recipients are white? 

Are you operating from the bigot`s hand book which conflates black culture and welfare?

Keep it up.
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A question to thinking folks.

Why do folks associate people of color with welfare cheats?

Most of the people on welfare are white .

Does the discrimination against African Americans cause the disproportional poverty and slums they suffer with or it the other way around?


It's a fact that in East Saint Louis the worst sections are composed primarily of black people. Is that bigoted of me to observe? I've driven through there several times, this is a 100% fact. And I've never once mentioned welfare, that's you pulling your own shit out your ass, and trying to smear me with it.

Anyway, I have to ask if you are operating from the asshole handbook, if the moderators want to slap me for saying it fine, it's no worse than trying to associate someone as a bigot, because I disagree that the programs don't work.

My point is as you've 100% avoided, is if the main cause was racism, then other minorities would suffer the same problems to the nearly same degree. But since that is not the case, then it must be something else. You tell me, since your the expert. I know what your saying can't be the primary cause, because it doesn't effect other races as it does the general black population. And racists hate asians as well. So explain it.

I'm more familiar with welfare than you'll ever know by the way, so I don't need you throwing your assclown assumptions towards me, I grew up on welfare, and have no idea how welfare entered your brain as a subject of what I was talking about. And for about a 1/3 of my child hood I lived with a black man and my white mother. So, you can shove all that racist shit up your ass. Actually, he was the only decent boyfriend she had, the rest were white, and he grew up in east saint louis.

Oh god, I'm such a bigot, to disagree with you.

Anyway, you can go preach to the choir if yiou like, for some reason I thought you actually were looking to intellectually talk about things, not imply I must be a bigot to disagree with you.

You and people like you are the reason no headway can be made, because as soon as someone even suggests the possibility of a different approach, the words bigot, racist, etc...start to flow.  Oh not in a direct manner that would be to honest, you just say if I believe otherwise I must be reading from the bigot handbook. LOL.







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RE: Racist - 3/17/2008 8:25:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

"But there I go with all those facts, when we could just sit around and whine about the Miss Black America pageant which is definitely holding white people back."

You`re good,very good.

Some people can elegantly say in one phrase what takes me paragraphs.

Well done.

I agree. It takes me half a page to make a point. And then I have to actually point out that I am using sarcasm.

I notice how easy it is for white people to pontificate about how everybody can be "racist", when whites NEVER  have to think about how their color gives them a built-in advantage in a racist society by virtue of their birth.

I mean, why would white people ever read "Black Like Me" if it weren't part of some esoteric college course?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me

I will just bet that some cracker will come along and say, "That was then! There is no discrimination in the US today! I know, because, well, I just do!"

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RE: Racist - 3/17/2008 8:59:55 PM   
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You talk in generalities and moan that minorities are given an unfair advantage, whilst plenty of people have given you concrete examples that show how minorities are at a disadvantage from the very start.

Until you understand this latter concept, I don't quite see how you're going to have an open discussion about this issue with anybody. Unless you want everyone to agree with your assertion that white people are suffering and are being discriminated against...
I'll link to things to back up my point, and rarely link to a blog or op-ed to demonstrate that I am not the only person who thinks in such-and-such a way (I do believe this is the first time I have ever linked to a blog, in fact.). I have found over several years that it is invariably my fellow Progressives who will read them, however. I am fairly confident that righties do not; I would expect at least one of them to come back and either dispute the  fact that people with black-sounding names were discriminated against, or say that they were not aware of that particular study, or say that they learned something new from the study, or something. Seeks came back and said he skimmed something, even if it was the wrong thing.

Here's what has me laughing my ass off: Not a single person who has been arguing for maintaining white supremacy in the US (because THAT is what they are arguing for, I don't give a shit how much they tap-dance around that fact) has come back and said "Your link goes to an article ABOUT that study, NOT the study itself!!!" This is conclusive proof that either they don't read any links at all, and are just talking out of their asses, or that they are not bright enough to pick up on a very basic point like that. Hahahaha

(Parody (I'd best make that explicit, too))
Them: The Earth is flat!
Me: How ridiculous: Here is photographic proof taken by astronauts, here is first hand accounts by the astronauts, here is the mathematical proof, et cetera and so on.
Them:You lied about that picture of the line of telephone poles in Nevada, it was in West Texas nyah nyah nyah. And of course those astronauts would say that because they had to sign a NASA document, and the moon landing was faked in Arizona.
Me: Who in the fuck said anything about the moon landing? Nice try at changing the subject. Can you prove the astronauts had to sign this document?
Them: You lied about that picture, and you can't prove the earth is round, so that means it's flat.

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RE: Racist - 3/17/2008 11:47:14 PM   
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You may have noticed that I have been staying away from this thread, and for good reason. Part of it is I do not know where to start, but I got a path. See if someone shoots me.

There is a difference between a racist and a bigot, and the textbok definition does not properly define it. It is one of the finer points of the language that many do not understand, like the difference between a motor and an engine.

A racist can live next door to Orientals, who they do not like. They will befriend them, maybe have block parties with them, associate with them. All of that. Eat their food, feed them also, like when it is cookout season. Help them fix their gutters, and accept similar help. A racist can do this. Actually a true seperatist can as well if they live far enough away. But a racist will teach his boys to stay away from those Oriental girls. He does not want grandchildren with them. By what right can he say this ? Well he and his Wife GAVE those children their lives. Go play, just don't jump into the bed. I firmly believe he is within his rights to do that, but it is not within his rights to teache the children that ehy are better simply by virtue of their race.

That would be bigotry. It is wrong and should never happen. A bigot living next door to an Asian family would most likely not allow his children to play with theirs, would shun them, not speak to them and not learn from them, which brings up another point.

To me, being a racist means I am part of my race, which I want to see propogate and thrive. Wouldn't you ? But that is all it means. But I thoroughly enjoy having conversations with people of different races. I learn about them, they learn about me. And I do not need my race to cost their race anything, and we are no better. Think about it, they live next door ! How different in status can they be ?

I am better than some. I am not as good as some. That is a fact and it has nothing to do with race. My accomplishments in the elecronics field, especially in the areas of reverse engineering and reengineering are considerable, and well beyond most people.

Now let's say I am Black. Compare me to a White crackhead living on the streets because their own Mother won't even have them. For that matter, compare a Mexican doctor to an Asian two bit crack whore. Take it a bit further, an Ethiopian Nobel prize winner vs a German car thief.

Are you getting it ? The old stereotypes are no longer valid. And when it comes down to White vs Black, we ain't got alot to be proud of. Not at all.

We took centuries to build this society, and it was not easy. Imagine yourself Black, thrust into this society a mere two hundred years ago. Try that. If you were a flight risk you slept chained up. It was illegal to teach you to read. Come out of that in two hundred fucking years and tell me how great the white race is.

And just for the record, the words motor and engine differ thusly :

A motor is a device that converts energy to motion. It's meaning is that usually if you turn an electric motor's shaft it will generate electricity. If it's an air motor, you know an air tool, if you turn it it could produce air pressure which would be able to be reused. The problem is efficiency. In short the word motor implies that it is a direct conversion, and in some cases it can be reversed, that is motion can be converted back to whatever potential energy fed it in the first place.

An engine is a different story. Now think of this, your car has an engine, NOT A MOTOR. God did I argue that point one time, and I wanted to shoot the dude when he got the dictionary out. In your car, if it is a stick shift, and it has a motor in it and not and engine, I should be able to reconvert what it was fed to run in the first place.

That means I should be able to put it in a forward gear, and push it backwards and have it suck in air and pollution through the tailpipe and replace the gasoline that used the be in the tank.

It's the same with racist and bigot. Those who think the dictionary is gospel are stuck with the limited definitions. English is simply not like that. And we haven't even touched on slang.

I would admit that a bigot is usually a racist, but not always. Some, even of the same race will prejudice themselves against members of a different religion, or even a different church or school. Notice I said prejudice themselves. That is in the same light as the motor/engine thing. You can think what you want, even avoid people for their race, but you are not really a bigot until you start thinking you are better than them because of their race.

Actually I don't like much of other races, but the thing is they have the same right to exist as I do. They're here, they can have a beer (if they want it). I have no problem with it, I have no problem with anyone until I do.

This is long enough, perhaps unfinished, but I hope people get the idea. You can be proud of your ancestors as long as you realize that their accomplishments imbue nothing upon. Be judged for what you are.

T

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RE: Racist - 3/18/2008 8:59:48 AM   
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Domiguy,
I am not lying. It happened. Sorry you don't believe it but that doesn't make it less true. We don't know each other or have ever spoken, so please don't question My integrity on here. If you have a question or want to talk feel free to drop Me a line. I have read a lot of your posts and if I am taking your context wrong, I am sorry. I don't like be called a lier but I am a big boy if that is how you feel. Those who do know Me on here know I don't tell stories just for the fun of it.
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