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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 10:27:55 PM

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you can’t put white people in their place when they own the place to begin with.

Either you're living on a plantation, or you're thinking like it.

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 10:34:57 PM

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And it was you who suggested that blacks can't run institutions. You don't like how it looks when its run back by you, quit suggesting it.

You are insane with white priveldege. Show me where I said that blacks can't run institutions. (biting my tongue not saying Whitaho, d'oh I said it).

Your post # 367 When you said "Okay... can white people actually experience racism toward them? I'm a gonna say no people. Racism is something that happens because of insitutuional systems that lead one group of people to experience privlidedge over another. If you are not the group in power you do not have the power to be racist over another. That doesn't mean you can't be intolerant and biased. It simply means that the idea of "reverse-racism" is an oxymoron. To be racist you have to have an entire systems behind you. "

You were clearly suggesting that blacks cannot have entire systems behind them, which of course you're wrong because they can and they do. They are the majority in entire cities and states, and offices and institutions, and so on. People of any race can achieve anything, and you really don't seem to get that.

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 10:37:28 PM

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[Your post # 367 When you said "Okay... can white people actually experience racism toward them? I'm a gonna say no people. Racism is something that happens because of insitutuional systems that lead one group of people to experience privlidedge over another. If you are not the group in power you do not have the power to be racist over another. That doesn't mean you can't be intolerant and biased. It simply means that the idea of "reverse-racism" is an oxymoron. To be racist you have to have an entire systems behind you. "

Maybe if you can read this when you aren't so emotional you'll see that you misinterpreted what I said. Good luck.

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 10:41:13 PM

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whitaho !! priceless....can't believe the thread is still going on

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 10:42:55 PM

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Maybe if you can read this when you aren't so emotional you'll see that you misinterpreted what I said. Good luck.

I didn't misinterpret you at all... I know exactly how your mind works. And you might want to cut back on the personal attacks a little bit, they might bite you on the ass sometime.

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 10:42:57 PM

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whitaho !! priceless....can't believe the thread is still going on

This thread will go at least to 30 pages.
lol

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 10:44:06 PM

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You like that? It's what passes for debate in some circles.

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whitaho !! priceless....can't believe the thread is still going on

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 10:44:36 PM

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I didn't misinterpret you at all... I know exactly how your mind works.

You are so right. A couple of posts here and you know everything there is to know about how my mind works. I mean after all... I am so stinkin' simple. And you, you are brillant.

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 10:54:18 PM

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whitaho !! priceless....can't believe the thread is still going on

This thread will go at least to 30 pages.
lol

No this thread has legs ,the over/under 43 pages

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 10:54:25 PM

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Now you're misunderstanding me. When I said I know how your mind works I was referring only to your assumption that people of color are incapable of running major institutions, and therefore that they can't be racists.

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You are so right. A couple of posts here and you know everything there is to know about how my mind works. I mean after all... I am so stinkin' simple. And you, you are brillant.

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 10:59:46 PM

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Now you're misunderstanding me. When I said I know how your mind works I was referring only to your assumption that people of color are incapable of running major institutions, and therefore that they can't be racists.

I'm currently hitting my head with the palm of my hand. Now I am banging my head on the keyboard. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. What what... did I wake up from this crazy nightmare of a conversation?

Dude, that is not my assumption. Sigh. You have misunderstood and you seem to be feeling emotional about this issue. Emotions run high in our society when speaking of race issues so it makes sense. You can stand by your misinterpretation but it won't make it a true interpretation. Once again, good luck.

You do admit that now I am the one misunderstanding rather than before when you were the one doing the misunderstanding? Right? Whew... glad we got that settled...

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 11:02:19 PM

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Sanity: "You're absolutely wrong. In my lifetime, government institutions have been required by law to give preference to blacks and other minorities, which is exactly the opposite of your misguided opinion. "

Uh-huh. And the law requires us to come to a full stop at stop signs and drive no faster than the speed limit and pay all the taxes we owe and so on and so forth. That must mean that everyone obeys those laws, right? Okey-doke. The essay giveeverything linked to blew your bs argument away.

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 11:09:13 PM

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I'm not emotional about anything.

I'm tired, only staying up to play Easter Bunny, which it's about time to get hopping.

About your poor keyboard, if you're missing your letter L in all your posts from here on. or your Rs or whatever... I'll know what happened.

And dudette, if that's not your assumption, then try explaining again how it is that blacks can't be racists. How it is that you claim they're incapable of racism... if you truly do believe that they can and do achieve any and every position that is available in this country.

And this time, try to do it without sinking to insulting lines on a map and making prejudicial inferences about the races of the inhabitants who live in between those lines. You live in Utah, after all. Glass houses, and all of that.

And you don't have to stay in a thread you know.

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I'm currently hitting my head with the palm of my hand. Now I am banging my head on the keyboard. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. What what... did I wake up from this crazy nightmare of a conversation?

Dude, that is not my assumption. Sigh. You have misunderstood and you seem to be feeling emotional about this issue. Emotions run high in our society when speaking of race issues so it makes sense. You can stand by your misinterpretation but it won't make it a true interpretation. Once again, good luck.

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 11:10:39 PM

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Im just going to say this, i do not believe that they want ANY of the Democratic candidates to win,personally. they do not want to see a woman in the office and they dayum sure do not want to see a Black Man in the office. this right now between Clintion and Obama is like a "good tabloid story" or something. i do not know how to explain it but, this Obama vs. Clinton thing is really selling and i think they are going to ride it until the end. Next thing you know, there will be a Republican in office.

i also do think that, they are trying to find ALOT of ways to discredit him, from the pastor thing to looking at his passport. i mean, come on, are you freaking kidding me. they are indeed trying to railroad him.

the way they are getting Hillary is by blaming all of this stuff on her as if she hates Obama. (im not going to give my view on that situation).

Anyways it comes down to a few issues...Black vs. White and Man vs. Woman. and yes it is in that order. Whether you want want to believe it or accept it or not, that is the way it is right now.

I just want bush out of the office.

well wishes to All and all.

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 11:11:42 PM

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Now you're misunderstanding me. When I said I know how your mind works I was referring only to your assumption that people of color are incapable of running major institutions, and therefore that they can't be racists.

I'm currently hitting my head with the palm of my hand. Now I am banging my head on the keyboard. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. What what... did I wake up from this crazy nightmare of a conversation?

Dude, that is not my assumption. Sigh. You have misunderstood and you seem to be feeling emotional about this issue. Emotions run high in our society when speaking of race issues so it makes sense. You can stand by your misinterpretation but it won't make it a true interpretation. Once again, good luck.

You do admit that now I am the one misunderstanding rather than before when you were the one doing the misunderstanding? Right? Whew... glad we got that settled...

O.K. I'll admit I am so confused

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 11:14:37 PM

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whitaho !! priceless....can't believe the thread is still going on

This thread will go at least to 30 pages.
lol

No this thread has legs ,the over/under 43 pages

I'll take the under on that. Mod XI is going to shut this down before long.

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 11:23:11 PM

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Okay... can white people actually experience racism toward them? I'm a gonna say no people. Racism is something that happens because of insitutuional systems that lead one group of people to experience privlidedge over another. If you are not the group in power you do not have the power to be racist over another. That doesn't mean you can't be intolerant and biased. It simply means that the idea of "reverse-racism" is an oxymoron. To be racist you have to have an entire systems behind you. Flame me if you want... I could give a shit... I feel like I'm in some alternative universe anyway where people have gone insane.

But... instead of talking about racism... let's talk about white privledge. What kind of advances do people get because of the color of their skin -- advances they didn't earn, didn't work for, etc. A really good eassy is by MacIntosh called "Unpacking The Invisible Napsack." You can not talk about racism without talking about priveledge. But i'm a commie anyway... sue me.

All people have the power to hate, and to hurt. All people are capable of being hurt by hatred. Skin color is irrelevant, and the sooner skin color is removed from the discussion, the sooner progress can be made.

That is the order of things.

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/22/2008 11:34:51 PM

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You did misunderstand me. I am talking about institutions not individuals. I can speak for the US when I say that we have insitutions that priveledge white people over people of color. This is not to say that people of color are not capable. This IS to say that our society has decided that what is most desirable is whiteness. That is racism. That is hegemony. So please don't put crappy words in my mouth.

In other words, individuals are powerless. Individuals are unable to act, unable to accomplish, without the backing of some "institution".

"Institutions"--whatever social entity you label thus--are comprised of individuals, and they reflect the attitudes and beliefs of those individuals. Whatever defect exists within an institution exists because it lies in individuals first.

Hatred is an evil of the individual. Racism is an evil of the individual. The solution will be found within the individual. Not within "institutions".

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/23/2008 1:37:18 AM

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I haven't suffered as much, so the racism I suffer doesn't count. It's okay to hate whitey because hundreds of years ago this happened. Or that happened. Indians lost a war, blacks sold blacks into slavery... etc. So you can do whatever you want to whitey today, we'll call it "justice" or something else besides "racism". He's laying there dying but it can't be racism that killed him, because he's white.

Of course, that makes perfect sense. Whatever was I thinking...

Only thing is, 200 years from now, it'll be perfectly okay for my descendants to hate people of color because of what happens to me today. That won't be, that can't be racism then.

Right?

Great logic.

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There's really nothing in American history to suggest you've suffered anything on par with American blacks or the American Indian.

Were any of your relative sold off? Were any of your ancestors lynched for looking at a White woman? Did you have to sit in the back of the Bus? Were you not considered "a person" under the US Constitution?

I live in Baltimore City. I've had my share of challenging race relations here. But, there's no way its ever going to be comparable to real, racial injustice.

The undercurrent of this thread, which is entirely ludicrous, BTW, is that if Barak Obama became US President, this would somehow set back race relations in the USA. That's just a preposterous notion.

You know what.. as I said.. all the world over every body at some time had shit happen to them. Yes it sucked.. yes it was bad.. it ended we moved on.. get the fuck over it. Do something to make it better.. not worse. Why is that such a had concept... *Fuuuuck*

Since the begining of man each civilization or segment of it has been someones bitch at one time or another. Being assholes about it when you are still scraping up and finishing off on getting equality and biting back isnt gonna help accomplish shit.

The British over took India... Africa... America... Hell every where... The Portugese tried to make Asia thier Bitches.. and Asia kicked thier asses. It has been the way of the world. The Blacks and Native Americans do not have the sole corner market on it.

Who accomplished *seriously* accomplished more.... Malcom X or Dr. Martin Luther King? Hate and anger only gets you so far. And it begets more hate and anger.. there is a bigger back lash. Dr. King knew that... and worked hard to get rights not by brute force and hatred, and anger. You know he was fed up, tired and angry... but he never once lashed out. That is what made him so powerful and such a great man.

It does not take anger and hatred.

One of our Ladies we look up to from my church ( not my exact church but my faith ) was one of the founders of the NAACP. http://www.naacp.org/about/history/mwo/ She had that sort of skill and in a time when it certainly was frowned apon to even think of it. Many of our members were killed by white supremists while working for the NAACP, in marches, or beside Dr. King.

And no your whole race does not have to be oppressed for it to count. Some one being an asshole to you simply because of your race, sex, creed, age, or sexual orientation or identity is still an asshole. ~ And no.. I dont give a fig about what thiers is.. it doesnt matter if it is a hispainic calling a black guy something.. or a black guy calling a gay guy something.. it is still fucking wrong. ( that whole Greys Antaomy thing pissed me the fuck off. Just because you are a black guy does not give you a free pass to call some one a name. Then.. they were being racisit because they called you on it? Oh fuck off and die.) ~ Gods forbid if I ever see that jackass on the street.. my size 11 is going sideways up his ass. I will take a trip to the pokey for it.. it would be worth it.

*grumbles*

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RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor - 3/23/2008 2:04:25 AM

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Im just going to say this, i do not believe that they want ANY of the Democratic candidates to win,personally. they do not want to see a woman in the office and they dayum sure do not want to see a Black Man in the office. this right now between Clintion and Obama is like a "good tabloid story" or something. i do not know how to explain it but, this Obama vs. Clinton thing is really selling and i think they are going to ride it until the end. Next thing you know, there will be a Republican in office.

i also do think that, they are trying to find ALOT of ways to discredit him, from the pastor thing to looking at his passport. i mean, come on, are you freaking kidding me. they are indeed trying to railroad him.

the way they are getting Hillary is by blaming all of this stuff on her as if she hates Obama. (im not going to give my view on that situation).

Anyways it comes down to a few issues...Black vs. White and Man vs. Woman. and yes it is in that order. Whether you want want to believe it or accept it or not, that is the way it is right now.

I just want bush out of the office.

well wishes to All and all.

They're Swift-boating Obama. it's that simple. They are picking up on some very trivial shit, which Obama had nothing to do with in the first place, and making noises like he's the AntiChrist. Repeating over and over and over, just like Hitler's propaganda man Goebbels did. And they are happy to accuse Obama of being a "racist", without ever looking in the mirror.

I want Obama in office, but I'll take Hillary, even if she IS a corporatist. Anyone but a refucklinazi. Bush and Lott and Cheney and Gingrich and all those other cracker cocksuckers have already destroyed this country. It's too late to fix it. But maybe we can bring those shitbag traitors to justice.

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