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ORIGINAL: Zensee

If the bones of the jaw and ear were the only evidence for evolution their correlation could well appear to be mere coincidence. There are many examples of contuinuity and adaptation of organs and other structures over wide taxonomic boundaries and over vast expanses of time, not only in chordates. Actually it happens from the Kingdom on down.

Evolution, as a theory, is corroborated by many lines of evidence in multiple fields - fossil, genetic and direct observation, for example. It doesnot live or die in a lizard's ear.


Z.

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DNA and protein differences between humans and other apes are less than those
expected for the accepted mammalian divergence times when a constant rate of molecular
evolution is assumed. Two alternative explanations have been proposed.

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as first suggested by Goodman ( 1961)) the rate of molecular evolution is slower in primates-and in hominoids in particular-than in other mammals,

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as originally argued by Sarich and Wilson ( 1967), the fossil record has been misinterpreted in deriving divergence times.

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Since the human evolution theory took shape, these finds have been ignored and rejected. "Knowledge filtration" has prevented scientists from (re)examining these reports. Also scientists have more or less stopped looking for artifacts and remains in older layers that lie outside the possible scope of the theory.

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When anomalies turn up, they are judged by very strict standards, while finds that do fit the theory are judged by very lenient ones. Scientists( ie the Deluded Darwinners) will decide, solely on the basis of their commitment to evolution, that the morphologically more apelike specimen should be moved to the early part of its possible date range, in order to remove it from the part of its possible date range that overlaps that of the morphologically more humanlike specimen.
As part of the same procedure, the more humanlike specimen can be moved to the later, or more recent, part of its own possible date range. Thus the two specimens are temporally ( in time) separated. . . . It would look bad to have two forms, one generally considered ancestral to the other, existing contemporaneously. (I should say so, wouldnt you ?). . . With this maneuver completed, the two fossil hominids, now set apart from each other temporally, are then cited in textbooks as evidence of an evolutionary progression.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Well LadyE I am close to being banned so that should solve the problem he he he he he he he.

If it helps I apologise for pointing the one certain error you made in this thread.
If I do go you will always be in my thoughts, I want you to know that ! 

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Why has evolution apparently ground to a halt ?
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/8/1/115.pdf

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http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/evol/ev-ibeld.htm
The basis of this article is that humans are much older than the Deluded Darwinners claim.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
The first stage of selection occurred on the ships, where its well known that much of the "merchandise" would die en route to the Americas - meaning that only the stronger would ever set foot in America. We therefore have already at this stage a genetic population which is superior to that which set out from Africa, and physically superior next to the European descended population which is the product of ordinary generational descent.

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Domken
The books mentioned were written by members of ISKCON, Hare Krishnas, in an attempt to support the literalism of the Vedic scriptures that purport that humanity and the earth have existed for many many billions of years.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

So now Seeks drags in the Hindu fundamentalists:
The basis of this article (link deleted) is that humans are much older than the Deluded Darwinners claim.

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Domken
The books mentioned were written by members of ISKCON, Hare Krishnas, in an attempt to support the literalism of the Vedic scriptures that purport that humanity and the earth have existed for many many billions of years.

This response is a perfect example of the blinkered view of those who have an irrational  committment to their own views.
Dont respond to what is said , which is true, show that the "sayer" is flawed so we can ignore what the "sayer" said.

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Easily amused Iyam..
Over the years I have read quite a few books listing major exceptions to the Darwin Delusion but I carnt always remember the exact details so I have to search for links on the internet.
There exists an hierarchy of what might be called sea shells that to fit the Delusion has had to be twisted every which way.
Just saying that has no impact does it ?
It is true tho'

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So stupendously unlikely is the perfect mutation at the perfect time that calculating the odds against it taking place even once exceeds our imaginative capacity. It is, in fact, a miracle. Now multiply this improbability for all the useful traits belonging to more than fifty million life forms, and you see just how profoundly and irredeemably implausible neo-Darwinism really is

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The terms saber-toothed cat, sabertooth, and saber-toothed tiger describe numerous species, mainly in the families Felidae (subfamily Machairodontinae), Hyaenodontidae, and Nimravidae, but also including two marsupial families, that lived during various parts of the Cenozoic Era and evolved their saber toothed characteristics entirely independently

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ORIGINAL: Rule

FR
 
Those Hindu ages are not a valid argument. They are being interpreted wrongly. I will not elaborate on that.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Have gone goggle eyed trying to find info. on Ammonites so I change tack and throw this atchya.

http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/controversies/Dace_evolution.htm

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So stupendously unlikely is the perfect mutation at the perfect time that calculating the odds against it taking place even once exceeds our imaginative capacity. It is, in fact, a miracle. Now multiply this improbability for all the useful traits belonging to more than fifty million life forms, and you see just how profoundly and irredeemably implausible neo-Darwinism really is

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An example of  irredeemable implausability 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabre-toothed_cat

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The terms saber-toothed cat, sabertooth, and saber-toothed tiger describe numerous species, mainly in the families Felidae (subfamily Machairodontinae), Hyaenodontidae, and Nimravidae, but also including two marsupial families, that lived during various parts of the Cenozoic Era and evolved their saber toothed characteristics entirely independently

with the first examples appearing at widely spead locations Europe/US at about the same time, 33 million years ago.
 
So not only does the Delusion support the impossible it believes it can be multiplied by two.
I say trying to double impossibility is equivalent to losing your virginity twice. It cant happen. lol

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DomKen
The problem is one of point of view. The author is, amongst other mistakes, saying effectively 'look at the order of cards in this shuffled deck,  the odds against it being in this precise order are so staggering that some outside agency must have placed them in that order.' But every other possible outcome is just as improbable but one must occur. A basic misuse of odds calculations and one that is fairly obvious to anyone who actually thinks about it.