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Stephann -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/21/2008 2:18:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

'Grand that, Stephann, I'll take it on board.

The way I see it is this: any man worth his salt will know exactly how to deal with women.

This is about the size of it:

a) You need a bit of crack on you (English slang for a sense of humour).

b) You'll need to be respectful but firm - you like her, but you're the boss.

c) You'll need to be sure of yourself to win the prize - don't worry about your looks/height/cock size/style because she'll be worrying about her looks/whether you'll find her funny/whether you'll like her tits/hair etc.


I'm pretty much in agreement with the bullets, but I figure social skills aren't something that can be found in a book.

I was terrible with women till I hit about age 20.  I figure it had a lot to do with how I (wasn't) brought up; my dad's the shy submissive type, my step mother's a bitch from hell.  I grew up in a small town, and rolemodels were far and few between.  Obviously, television's not the best place to learn how to 'be a man.'

In short, some men need to learn how to be worth their salt. 

Stephan




Nineveh -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/21/2008 7:39:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

If you said this, I missed it. I would stress being HONEST.  It does no good to go on and on in your journal or wherever, about how much you love romance and kissing and holding hands if that's not really who you are, but what you think women want.  (just using those things as an example)

Sometimes it's quite amusing, sometimes quite disturbing, after you've met someone, when you compare who they really are to how they portray themselves. You have to wonder if they really think they ARE that way, or if they know they're pulling a bait and switch.

Cali



While entirely true, I doubt advising people to be honest works.  It's like telling an adult that showering is a good idea; if they haven't figured it out by now, there's really not much hope for them.

Stephan



As someone raised by hippies who learned how to wash himself properly at the age of 22 I have to disagree with your metaphor, if not your basic premise.   I think honesty is a bit more fundmaental of a concept than showering, which is more a basic, mechanical skill.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/21/2008 9:22:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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I would much rather support restaurants whose owners live in the community than some corporate food factory HQd dog knows where.


Um, you do realize that local people work in those bad corporate restaurants, right?

Yes I do. Your point?




darklachrymosa -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/22/2008 5:28:59 AM)

because I'm hyper-analytical and a stickler for detail, the little voice in my head keeps insisting "Voltaire is spelled wrong!"  And I keep telling it that a screenname doesn't mean somebody ACTUALLY read Volatire...does anybody still read Voltaire anymore?  Maybe I should go pull it back out.  It's been a long time.

Regardless - great post.  If only the world really worked like that, maybe I wouldn't be so determinedly single.  Well, maybe not determinedly, but you know, people my age don't read Voltaire, and that is one of many reasons I have no frame of reference with my peer group.  So now all we have to do is figure out how to make people actually live by your suggestions...




Evility -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/22/2008 6:04:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Stephann
Aliases are pretty common in the lifestyle, but I recall meeting a fellow in a dungeon on Saturday who introduced himself as "Dominus."  I literally had to bite my tongue to keep from laughing.  Still, a name like that is fine online.


There are a number of "highly regarded" and "award winning" (cough) individuals in the local community here in Atlanta who go by those very types of names in person. I hope you don't visit the dungeon here often. You'd look really peculiar walking around with no tongue.[:D]




DS4DUMMIES -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/22/2008 6:20:17 AM)

Stephann, your advice certainly resonates well as evidenced by the number of folks who said that essentially they would learn from it and improve their methods. But it is because it resonates so well, that I'm going to play devil's advocate here and take the position that while this was a wonderfully written post with an apparent good message - there is a very substantial devil lurking in the details. No disrespect is intended - but what you had written is not in my view, a universally positive thing on either side of the ledger. I'll do my best here to explain that position and hope that those who rightfully admired the post, will consider an alternative view.

I own a business, and I also have a second career that involves quite literally being in command. In my business, as in my second career, I have to make decisions that affect people's lives. The relative immediacy of those effects varies in each case, but the thing you learn very quickly in both business and command, is that substance in your people, is everything.

Like most employers, I read with amusement, the advice of the "resume' mills", wherein they boldly advertise that your resume' has to "stand out", or that the key function of a resume' is to get you noticed. "100 Mistakes To Avoid In Writing Your Resume'"....or. such things....really say that the most important thing is to get in the door, and once you do, you're already ahead of the game. Well, you're really not - because at some point you're going to have to stand behind that glossy and flashy resume', and actually BE someone. You have to actually be able to do the job.  Therein lies the danger in teaching people how to get their introductions noticed, by following the guidelines you note.  Where's the beef? 

Once your foot is in the door, you have to have a bit more than a foot alone, to keep advancing the cause. Nothing is more irritating and disqualifying to me as a busnessman, than to receive a well written, incredibly sharp and concise resume' - and then find a dolt sitting there in front of me during an interview. In my experience, if you haven't the tools needed within yourself to communicate well, and you create an opposite impression via email or a resume' - then in my view, you have tried to deceive me. Worse still for you however, you are deceiving yourself. EvenIF your clever writing and shallow initial communication skills get you in the door ....sooner or later the cruel hoax you've created will cave in. You will not be able to be what you said you would be for any length of time, because you are not who you implied you are by your style and your presentation.

When I encounter people like this, I try to teach them. Before I dismiss them I relate to them a simple parable that I hope makes my point without denegrating them.

If you see there is a lot of money to be had in conducting, say....jungle tours....you may decide to go into the jumgle tour business. After all, you were a camp counselr in the woods a few summers while you were in college. So you get a PR company and advertising firm to make these great brochures touting your tours and how exciting it will all be. The words reach the eyes and ears of the traveler, and the presentation is so well done, they decide to sign up with you for the tour. So on day 1 a hundred eager people who - reading your presentation decide you're capable on some basic level at least - show up ready to go into the jungle. The euphoria you feel is more than enough to keep you going those first few days that your caravan spends driving to the edge of the jungle. But then, on Day 3, you actually have to enter the jungle.  Your guests begin to sense something is not "right", because you are not really "leading" them. They ask you questions about your planned route, while you fumble through maps and try to cover up the fact that you cannot find any roads through it. So your slick advertising and enticing presentation has brought you the guests - but they soon discover you cannot really deliver the goods. Great presentation - but sooner or later you have to be the real you....and if you're not Dr. Livingston, you can't fake it any more. In the end, not only the people you seduced are upset with you - you are upset with yourself. They give up on you....and you ultimately - on yourself.

Acquiring the skills needed to get in the door - with nothing to back that up with once you ARE in - only leaves everyone disillusioned. Sooner or later, you have to "be" your persona.  While wolves here online do use sheep's clothing to get in with the sheep, most people who can't deliver the goods come to that point innocently if not through at least partially well-intentioned reasons. Life becomes a matter of a driver used to an automatic transmission - trying to drive a stick. You can only fake it with a smile so long.

I want to offer that there needs to be one more tenet in your advice. Be preared, to actually be able to BE what you're selling with your "correct" words.

There is nothing more important in command, than being able to absolutely count on your crew. Command has no ego, except in movies. Any success that a leader has, is always the result of having the people to pull it off .... people who.... like the man who leads them..... are what they claim to be at their core. The same is so true in relationships. The worst thing one can do is to be all fluff. Teaching people how to get in the door, when they have no idea what to do once they get there, is the worst kind of dishonesty, because it hurts BOTH sides.  

I enjoyed your post Stephann, and again, this post was not meant to in any way deflect it. I simply waned to, as you had asked, offer another view.

I know all too well, because in my own past, I took hold of reins I had no business holding, and I know  how painful that was for both of us. Thanks for the great post.

DS4




DS4DUMMIES -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/22/2008 6:41:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Evility

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ORIGINAL: Stephann
Aliases are pretty common in the lifestyle, but I recall meeting a fellow in a dungeon on Saturday who introduced himself as "Dominus."  I literally had to bite my tongue to keep from laughing.  Still, a name like that is fine online.


There are a number of "highly regarded" and "award winning" (cough) individuals in the local community here in Atlanta who go by those very types of names in person. I hope you don't visit the dungeon here often. You'd look really peculiar walking around with no tongue.[:D]



Oh no......not the "awards".....please don't tell me they fly the "official" Master/slave flag over the place as well....... :)[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m27.gif[/image]




KCherry -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/22/2008 8:09:14 AM)

Great Post. Good advice about giving the girl time to respond. I get a lot of messages so it takes me time to go through them, once I got an introduction email and then like 2 hours later I got an email from the same person complaining about how I must not be interested. 2 hours is not sufficient waiting time. If I could read that fast I'd be an evil mastermind.




daddysliloneds -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/22/2008 9:00:40 AM)

how to find a woman here:

take a bath, comb your hair, and post a decent picture of yourself; smiling in not an 'undomly' quality...

don't start your ad out with how many years of domly experience that you have or place anywhere in your ad that others my 'apply' for the position...

be yourself, and leave the dom/sub b.s act at the door; save that for real life/real time/up close and personal discussions...

meet as soon as possible and don't try to set to task or command anyone who doesn't belong to you to do anything...

and most of all, read a persons profile before contacting them!





CalifChick -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/22/2008 9:09:09 AM)

DS4... I think I was trying to say the same thing when I said to be honest with yourself and who you really are, instead of who you want to be, or who you think others want you to be.  There's a reason my profile starts with "opinionated and outspoken", because that's who I am.

Cali




CalifChick -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/22/2008 9:12:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds

don't start your ad out with how many years of domly experience that you have or place anywhere in your ad that others my 'apply' for the position...


Okay, this one made me laugh out loud.  When I see the "apply for the position" phrase, I just think, "hope you have lots of luck with that, buddy".  And good lord, the number of years experience thing... there's a profile that often shows when I first log in, and it starts with something like "40-plus years experience", and the person is 49... I really DO NOT want to be thinking about your BDSM experiences when you were 9 years old!

Cali




DS4DUMMIES -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/22/2008 2:00:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

DS4... I think I was trying to say the same thing when I said to be honest with yourself and who you really are, instead of who you want to be, or who you think others want you to be.  There's a reason my profile starts with "opinionated and outspoken", because that's who I am.

Cali



Now see Cali, I can't perceive that a woman who desires to speak her mind and actually has opinions, dreams and positions on a subject, could ever be labeled "opinionated and outspoken". :) I can't imagine what life would be like with a slave or submissive whose only mindset and thoughts are mere reflections of my own. The term "robot" comes to mind :)  I have just read your post and yes, it seems we said exactly the same thing in different words.

DS4




Prinsexx -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/22/2008 6:29:28 PM)

Dear Stephann:
is that man worth having that would have the time to read all of that? [:D]




Venatrix -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/22/2008 6:50:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

Dear Stephann:
is that man worth having that would have the time to read all of that? [:D]



If he took time to read this instead of, say, watching a basketball game, he might just be worth having.




KMsAngel -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/23/2008 5:11:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

All kidding aside, it does at times amaze me how silly some of the profiles of men are, of course they probably read mine and think "what a poseur"...



[:)] gotta love a man with a fine sense of sarcasm.

perhaps, find a woman who you can be friends with first.




MasterOfMyRealm -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/23/2008 10:43:33 PM)

I would also add this. No matter how well you write a note, or how well you write your profile, no matter what picture you post, and no matter how well you believe you might have found somebody that might be interested based on what they have written, invariably you are going to get a lot of "no thanks, I'm not interested" replies, if you get a reply at all.

Personally, I don't really think it's possible to know somebody just from reading a profile or looking at a picture, but often, there should be enough there to at least start a conversation, if you can pique the other persons interest. Even that seems to be difficult to do at times.

-David









CalifChick -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/23/2008 11:11:16 PM)

MOMR:  Well I'm impressed with a guy who can use the word "pique" correctly. [;)]

DS4:  Trust me, you would be surprised.

Cali




MasterOfMyRealm -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/23/2008 11:26:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

MOMR:  Well I'm impressed with a guy who can use the word "pique" correctly. [;)]

Cali



I can even use it in a sentence. :) Thank you.

Love your avatar pic and the first line of your sig, CalifChick.

So, after writing this I decided to update my own profile and take a new pic of myself with my webcam. What I didn't realize is that by replacing my original, default pic that it would go back into the "needs approval" state. That was smart, eh? Anybody interested, check back in a day or so or email me and I'll send you something g-rated and cute. :)

I guess that's another lesson (at least for me). Don't update your original picture until new ones are approved.

-David






liketophoto -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/23/2008 11:45:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KMsAngel


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

All kidding aside, it does at times amaze me how silly some of the profiles of men are, of course they probably read mine and think "what a poseur"...



[:)] gotta love a man with a fine sense of sarcasm.

perhaps, find a woman who you can be friends with first.



Perhaps my profile is too serious.
Perhaps the person whom would be best for me is completly different.






CalifChick -> RE: For men: how to find a woman here (3/23/2008 11:47:51 PM)

Yeah I love the avatar too.  Too bad it's not MY ass.  The sig line came from Muttling, when discussing the fact that he preferred his women like a comfy sedan, built for long term riding comfort, instead of like a sports car, lean and hard thru the corners (to paraphrase and completely butcher what he said originally).

Cali




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