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Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/16/2004 8:48:34 AM

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Here is a question that has been plaguing my mind for quite a while now...I personally enjoy alot of pain at times...but what do you do if your sub/slave enjoys being spanked/whipped/flogged/paddled? what alternitave types of punishmen is there that doesn't envolve pain?

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/16/2004 8:57:48 AM

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I have been told my some slaves that their Masters will have them stand in the corner naked for their punishment. They may do this hours on end with out saying a word. The one sub I had loved being psanked but she could also notice the difference between the spankings I give for pleasure and those of punishment. Kevin

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/16/2004 8:59:35 AM

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Hello,

I have posted this elsewhere, but in response to your comment. My first submissive was a pain slut. She was also a smart-assed masochist who would start trouble in the hopes I would beat her.

Poor impedance match, really, but I was new to the lifestyle.

It didnt work since I refuse to beat / spank / whatever my submissive as punishment.

If I am angry, I am going nowhere near something which would cause her pain.

If she is uppity I am not willing to play with her.

So to answer your question, my usual punishments involved things like orgasm denial, unpleasant tasks, and in one case super glue at a play party.

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/16/2004 9:32:57 AM

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I personally hate pain, so for a spanking is ALWAYS punishment. But, honestly, Master believes the *punishment* should fit the crime. For example, I am to have the bed made in the morning before he gets out of the shower. If it isn't, *no matter why*, I can expect to not sleep in it that night. If being online caused something to not be done, I lose online priveliges, etc.

Honestly, I don't think I have been severly punished in several years. That doesn't mean I haven't been spanked, because it is something Master enjoys on occassion, and he enjoys it all the more knowing I do NOT like it. Mild punishments (not being allowed to watch a program or go some where) are for minor infractions and again, always *fit* what Master considers the crime to be.....

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/16/2004 10:51:40 AM

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what alternitave types of punishmen is there that doesn't envolve pain?

Some other punishments I have experienced include: masturbate to the edge but don't cum for set periods of time; wear my butt plug daily for certain number of hours; and verbal humiliation. I lost a bet once to Him and had to wear my plug and a vibrating dildo while i shopped.

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/16/2004 10:54:01 AM

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This question depends on how well you know the submissive. Standing in a corner naked is not punishment if the female likes to stand in a corner naked.

Some people don't like pain of any kind. Then sure spankings are punishment. I know a male bottom. That's all he likes it spanking. How do you punish him? Sadly people seem to think they can get him to do things he doesn't want to do by spanking him.
If they took any time at all to get to know him they would have the answer. What does he truly hate? It could be anything like going to a munch when you don't want to.
What about calling in sick to work, because hey you just don't feel like going today. Being made to go anyway?

Everybody in the world is different. So the answer of what punishment is to you would vary from person to person.

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/16/2004 11:37:16 AM

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. I lost a bet once to Him and had to wear my plug and a vibrating dildo while i shopped.

This is my idea of a good date.

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/16/2004 10:54:09 PM

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*giggles* I've been made wear a butt plug at the mall all day long because i refused to do something...i don't even remember what it was now.but that was like oh hell 3 years ago or 2 years ago..its been quite a while but the question had been on my mind, i mean some people get off on diffrent things; i do know of my friend's Dom will make her stand naked in the living room with her nose holding a quarter to the wall and if the quarter moves He hads 10 minutes more to her time standing there...talk about one hard thing to do...

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/17/2004 12:46:18 AM

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uumm oh my, i like the collection of floggers and whips on your wall Sir...tries not to drool on her keyboard too noticable.

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/19/2004 4:11:16 AM

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So to answer your question, my usual punishments involved things like orgasm denial, unpleasant tasks, and in one case super glue at a play party.

Ok, I'll bite.

What was the go with the super glue?

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/19/2004 5:00:00 AM

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Spot the Aussies *feels like shes following kiki around the threads :P*

Okay well I am a self admitted wuss, and pain as punishment just tends to make me get sulky and resentful. Therefore, mental punishments work better as my ex Master learnt. I am very well acquainted with the 'coin against the wall with the nose' trick .. or chained on tippy toes naked on his balcony with hands tied behind back. Another is mouth around a doorknob (ow!) or a more fun one is to have the hands chained together and then the chain run through the D ring in the collar, allowing only very minimal hand movements .. with him then sitting back and laughing at me having to clean the floor with a toothbrush (I stacked it on my head so many times!!)

So no, spanking isn't really much of anything for me. Used as a bit of a fluffer for foreplay is about it.

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/19/2004 7:43:27 AM

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For me personally, if the sub/slave Iam with loves the pain inflicted, then I turn to things like sensory ideas.. or putting them in uncomfortable positions, like in my homemade stock block or what ever. But as it was mentioned earlier.. everyone is different.
Just find yourself first and what you deam as punishment. Maybe take something that is close to one of your hard limits and twist it ......

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/19/2004 8:47:26 AM

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There are, of course, any number of ways to punish a slave or submissive that don't involve spanking/paddling/whipping/etc. I think, though, that focusing on the act misses the point. Actions don't occur in a vacuum. They have a context and in the case of punishment, are an expression of displeasure by the dominant. Within the context of a relationship where dominance and submission is the genuine underlying dynamic, any expression of displeasure by the dominant, whether it's a spanking, a verbal expression of displeasure, or just a look of disappointment will be deeply felt by the submissive, and will probably more than override any pleasure response that would normally be felt from the same act in a different context.

There is a sense in which there are competing priorities here. In whatever form it takes, punishment is both a form of self-expression on the part of the dominant, and a tool for behavior modification. On the one hand, the dominant should express his displeasure in whatever way he sees fit. He is, afterall, the dominant party in the relationship. On the other hand, it is often argued that the dominant should vary the way in which he punishes to accommodate what the submissive "likes" (i.e. a spanking) and what she has an aversion to (i.e. being tied to a chair in a cold shower for 5 minutes). Effectiveness of the punishment is sited as the reason. I think that it's good for the dominant to bear in mind, though, that the desired end state is for the submissive to have the experience of being "punished" regardless of how the dominant chooses to punish. Even if, and in a sense especially if, the submissive would otherwise find the act in and of itself pleasurable.

In the subculture within which I learned D/s there is a common practice of roughly fucking a slave to orgasm as a form of punishment. One could argue that being fucked to orgasm is hardly a punishment. Any well socialized slave from that subculture will tell you, though, that it is a particularly devastating form of punishment.

What I've tried to convey here, of course, has nothing to do with relationships where things like role-play punishment spankings and verbal humiliation are in play. I don't have any experience in that kind of relationship, and I don't understand their dynamics very well.

Take care of yourselves.

Leonidas

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/19/2004 9:12:31 AM

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That's all he likes it spanking. How do you punish him?

The answer seems fairly obvious to me.

Tell him you wont spank him until he stops doing / does what you dont / do want him to do. Then make a point of NOT spanking him until he complies.

Sinergy

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/19/2004 9:18:37 AM

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Ok, I'll bite.

What was the go with the super glue?

She and I were at a play party and she got uppity. So I tried to have her hold a quarter against the wall until she could behave.

But she was uppity, and the quarter kept falling. Of course, part of that might have been my wandering past her and groping, spanking, whatever, was making her lose focus on the task (holding the quarter against the wall) I had given her. Hard to say, really.

So I got some super glue (keep it and remover on hand at all times to repair my work equipment as needed) and super glued her nose to the wall for 30 minutes or so. Then I put the remover on and got her unstuck from the wall, played with her, drove back to the hotel, and [censored].

I was fairly careful while her nose was superglued to not do the stuff I was doing while she was holding a quarter as I didnt want her to jerk suddenly and injure her lovely nose.

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/20/2004 3:44:47 AM

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So I got some super glue (keep it and remover on hand at all times to repair my work equipment as needed) and super glued her nose to the wall for 30 minutes or so.

Oh wow. I sure hope that taught her! Thanks for sharing :)

And to originalsin - I don't mind you following me around. You're even local to me! Woohoo!

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/20/2004 7:18:35 AM

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Spanking a painslut pretty much gets you nowhere, although...I think most painsluts will agree that there is a very distinct difference between pain given in play...and pain given because Master is upset with what you have done. The energy is very different...so, in some relationships..maybe spanking would be effective.

I have a look when I am displeased. Its not something I practiced in the mirror...its just there. My girl knows "The Look". typically...its enough.

Other methods of punishment?

Solitude. (Standing in the corner, caged, no contact with the dominant.)
Speaking rights revoked.
Toilet privledges revoked
bar O soap (If the mouth is getting her in trouble)
Sleeping alone
Sleeping on the floor
Sleeping outside
bread and water
uncomfy steel shackles (No fur, dammit!)
"Get out of my sight"
"You dissappoint me."---(Honestly...this is my last resort. before release)

This is the short list...

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/20/2004 10:33:27 AM

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As a person who likes pain, all the methods of punishment MrThorns stated work really well on me except for revoking toliet privildges.

(I don't know how he means it, but forcing me to wait to go to the bathroom gives me nasty health things. So yeah, if you try that on your girl especially, make sure it won't make bad thigns happen)

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/20/2004 10:41:32 AM

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As a person who likes pain, all the methods of punishment MrThorns stated work really well on me except for revoking toliet privildges.

(I don't know how he means it, but forcing me to wait to go to the bathroom gives me nasty health things. So yeah, if you try that on your girl especially, make sure it won't make bad thigns happen)

For clarity: Revoking toilet priviledges means (to me)
-No toilet seat
-No toilet...if ya gotta go...best be over something that isn't going to stain.
I understand that making someone wait to use the bathroom has some heath risks. Why communication is important.

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RE: Spankings punishment or Pleasure? - 7/21/2004 12:04:18 AM

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For clarity: Revoking toilet priviledges means (to me)
-No toilet seat
-No toilet...if ya gotta go...best be over something that isn't going to stain.

might I suggest an intermediate step?

-No toilet seat
-No toilet - must use the chamber pot or a bucket
-No toilet...if ya gotta go...best be over something that isn't going to stain.

always presuming, of course, that toilet privacy (door closed) is a non issue, having already been revoked

Apply usual caveats here

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