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Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 8:43:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've asked this question on here before but didn't get any replies from people who could explain what exactly is happening. I am posting the question again because it continues to be a problem for me at times and I am hoping that there are enough fresh new faces on here that there might be someone who knows what the heck is happening or if there is anything I can do to alleviate it.

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I don't know if it is actually shock, I suspect it's not...but something does seem to occur that stops my body from regulating temperature properly. I've tried to research it a bit but I am no doctor. The closest that I can come to an explanation for it is that it appears it may have something to do with the hypothalamus. It happens for me when I am coming back down. I get extremely cold. The kind of cold where my teeth chatter, my whole body shakes uncontrollably, my lips turn blue and my skin has that dusky purple mottled appearance to it. My hands get numb and I have a hard time controlling my muscles (as in coordination). The only relief for it that I have found is to get into a hot tub of water (not good for the swelling and bruising), drink hot fluids (while in the tub) and follow it by getting into bed under lots and lots of covers.

It is a freaky feeling and I can tell you that it has scared the crap out of more than one dominant. I've had my temperature taken during these episodes on several different occasions with a couple of different thermometers and was quite surprised to get readings on all of them around 91 to 94 degrees F. So it would seem that for some reason I actually become hypothermic. At times, it has caused my heart to beat in an odd pattern....feels kind of like a fish flopping in my chest with an odd bottoming out feeling.

I've often wondered if this is a dangerous state to find oneself in...it certainly feels kind of scary when it happens. Unfortunately though, as I've said, I don't know anyone else personally who experiences this, so that fact limits me somewhat in understanding it better.   


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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 8:46:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		If it only occurs after a particularly intense scene, you could be suffering from a problem with your adrenal glands or your thyroid.  Have you ever had similar symptoms when frightened or severely stressed, or is it very specifically ONLY after play?

I don't know that it would be anything with your brain, necessarily, as a mottled/purplish appearance to the skin typically indicates a vascular issue and not neurological.

Also, does anybody in your family have a history of thryoid problems, adrenal problems, or vascular disorders?  The mottled skin and relief only with a hot bath/hot fluids could also indicate a thickening of the blood, which is cutting off proper blood supply and making it harder for your heart to pump efficiently.

Either way, HerLord is absolutely correct, this could potentially be a serious problem that needs to be dealt with ASAP.


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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 8:50:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		get to a doctor. it could kill you to let your temp drop too low.


But then again... the headlines would be entertaining...
"Dom freezes slave in heated intercourse" WTF?

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 8:53:19 PM   
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Have you ever had similar symptoms when frightened or severely stressed, or is it very specifically ONLY after play?


No, it has only happened after very intense play.

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  I don't know that it would be anything with your brain, necessarily, as a mottled/purplish appearance to the skin typically indicates a vascular issue and not neurological.


I mentioned the hypothalmus because in my research I found information that said that it controls body temperature. I could be way off on that though.

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 8:58:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		erin , it may sound simple but hydration may also play a roll . Also when you say intence  play exchange  are you able to just allow yourself to let go during the  play ? or are you on edge raising you adrinal level  allowing it to in short build to a very high point ?

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:00:11 PM   
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I mentioned the hypothalmus because in my research I found information that said that it controls body temperature. I could be way off on that though.


The hypothalmus also controls sexuality, aggression, and fear.  It seems unlikely that only the temperature-control part would be screwed up without having symptoms in the other areas -- i.e., you'd probably not only be freezing cold but also unnaturally aggressive towards other people, or having frequent panic episodes.

However, if it's only happening after play, then I suppose that pulls in the sexuality aspect?  Hrm.  Very interesting.  I'd still put my money more on adrenal or thyroid issues as they're far more likely.  An MRI or CT scan should be able to rule out any brain lesions if your doctor does think it could be neurological, although they'll probably run you through a blood panel and/or an ultrasound first to rule out hypothyroidism or an adrenal gland malnfunction, and if both of those come back clear, send you on to a neurologist.

I mean, theoretically it could also be psychosematic (no offense meant to you, but the mind is a very strange thing indeed with what it can do to people), or if you want to really go out there, a repressed past life? 

Edited my original post for more questions/suggestions, btw.

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:04:58 PM   
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erin , it may sound simple but hydration may also play a roll . Also when you say intence  play exchange  are you able to just allow yourself to let go during the  play ? or are you on edge raising you adrinal level  allowing it to in short build to a very high point ?


No, I can let go just fine. This is something that happens when I am coming out of space. Actually, now that I think about it, it generally interrupts the "normal" emergence from space when it does happen and instead of slowly coming out I come out shivering violently, the discomfort of it all kind of jarring me back to the here and now.

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:05:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		i agree with pyrresefanie, it sounds like a thyroid problem.  i'm studying to be a paramedic and it sounds like a medical problem not a trauma or a response to trauma.  however, that thing where your heart feels funny is probably an arrythmia and it is EXTREMELY dangerous.  a temp of 91 degrees is an indicator of mild/moderate hypothermia and should not go overlooked.  also, warming yourself up too quickly can be equally as dangerous, it is a process that should be done slowly so as not to cause the body to respond by going into shock.  as to it being a thyroid problem that would be more relevant is you are a 'cold natured' person.  there are a lot of unanswered questions though that would greatly help such as are you in a cold/mild room, how long are you involved in your play, do you sweat a lot, are you in a wet environment.........those are just some things that would help figure it out.  please don't take my commentary in place of a doctor's.  they have a vaster knowledge of little known disorders.  if you would like i can ask around and see if anyone has any suggestions as to what could be going on with total confidentiality of course. 

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:07:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I become extremely cold sometimes, also, complete with teeth chattering and my whole body shaking uncontrollably, too.  I have not experienced coloring of the lips or skin, however, nor have I had my temperature taken during this time (come to think of it, I probably should). 

How long does it take you to warm up?  Usually after such heavy use, I am extremely overheated, pouring in sweat, but within a few minutes I begin shivering in a major way and need to turn the heat up and cover up if I am able.  I usually begin to feel warm again within about 15 minutes or so.  If I have the strength and I'm still cold, I'll go take a hot bath or shower and that will do it.  A bath might be safer, though - if you're spaced out you might trip in the shower.

Because of the severity of your situation, have you asked your doctor about it?  That's an awfully low temperature. 

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:08:23 PM   
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erin , it may sound simple but hydration may also play a roll . Also when you say intence  play exchange  are you able to just allow yourself to let go during the  play ? or are you on edge raising you adrinal level  allowing it to in short build to a very high point ?


No, I can let go just fine. This is something that happens when I am coming out of space. Actually, now that I think about it, it generally interrupts the "normal" emergence from space when it does happen and instead of slowly coming out I come out shivering violently, the discomfort of it all kind of jarring me back to the here and now.


You might be in a state of shock of some sort.  Are you drinking a LOT of water before and after?

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:17:44 PM   
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An MRI or CT scan should be able to rule out any brain lesions if your doctor does think it could be neurological, although they'll probably run you through a blood panel and/or an ultrasound first to rule out hypothyroidism or an adrenal gland malnfunction, and if both of those come back clear, send you on to a neurologist.


One thing that I have wondered about is that I do have a long history of Lyme disease and Meningitis x 2 that was associated with the Lyme(was hospitalized for a whole year with it)....lots of neurological issues from that, although it's been a lot of years (nearly 20) since I was treated for it and the only symptoms that I still have are residual....arthritis, a minor left sided deficit.  I do get PVC's from that when my body is really stressed....but the docs said it's nothing to get alarmed about. I've had more MRI's and CT scans than I can count. My thyroid has been gone over backward and forward and that tests out ok. I also have a minor Arnold Chiari malformation that they watch to see if there are any changes, but they tell me that again, nothing for me to be concerned about.

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:23:02 PM   
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there are a lot of unanswered questions though that would greatly help such as are you in a cold/mild room, how long are you involved in your play, do you sweat a lot, are you in a wet environment.........those are just some things that would help figure it out.  please don't take my commentary in place of a doctor's.  they have a vaster knowledge of little known disorders. 


Not sure what you mean by "cold natured person" but I don't do well in heat. I like a warm environment for play. I almost never sweat. No wet environment. Play (at the times this has happened) has been heavy stuff for 2 to 8 hours. I do drink lots of water before, during when I'm able, and after.

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:24:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would say it sucks, but the best thing is to not have intense scenes unless you can be moved directly into a hot bath/shower afterwards.  And have a space heater on DURING the scene.  And maybe have hot tea ready to drink.

I have not experienced things as severely as you describe, but somewhat happens to me.  I always try to keep my socks on during a scene where I'm the bottom and not expected to be an active participant.

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:25:01 PM   
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I become extremely cold sometimes, also, complete with teeth chattering and my whole body shaking uncontrollably, too.  I have not experienced coloring of the lips or skin, however, nor have I had my temperature taken during this time (come to think of it, I probably should). 

How long does it take you to warm up?  Usually after such heavy use, I am extremely overheated, pouring in sweat, but within a few minutes I begin shivering in a major way and need to turn the heat up and cover up if I am able.  I usually begin to feel warm again within about 15 minutes or so.  If I have the strength and I'm still cold, I'll go take a hot bath or shower and that will do it.  A bath might be safer, though - if you're spaced out you might trip in the shower.

Because of the severity of your situation, have you asked your doctor about it?  That's an awfully low temperature. 

My first instinct was it was not as severe as is proclaimed... But on the chance I was wrong I took the serious road. With this in mind...

General body temp fluctuation does appear to be normal. Owned... yours sound more like your body (specifically that hypothyro thingy) trying to cool an extremely HOT body by kicking into overdrive and then succeeding with out brakes... Does this make any sense? Once your HYPOTHYRO thingy gets your body back to normal it forgets to slow down on time and tikes a while to get "dialed in" on where your temp is sposed to be.

However, OP... GO TO DOCTOR! This is NOT NORMAL!
GO TO DOCTOR
Any way... Good Luck, and keep in mind... You will not get professional help in these forums. The ONLY PRO help you need is at the doctors office. No-one here is qualified to be of any assistance. Except those who are... and they know better than to dispense advice on these forums about such things. They to will tell you get to a dr.

*edited to fix sellcheck* lol

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:27:43 PM   
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That's an awfully low temperature. 


Hi owned,
When I was being treated for the Lyme disease I used to get what they called a Hercksheimer (sp?) reaction and I would run what the docs termed a "reverse fever" where my body temp would drop like that. However, the difference was that when that happened, I FELT like I had an awful fever....like I was burning up. With this though, all I feel is painfully cold.

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:28:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Erin i agree with how powerful the mind can be also with this new info about pre conditions i would  say get some simple blood work done and see if there is anything  revealed .Also if your not telling your doctor when and under what conditions this is occuring  you may wish to.I am always open  with my doctor dont worry  most have seen it all , and if your doctor is jugemental or freaks out about  your bdsm  find another .some other simple things to look at  are hydration "can not stress that one enough " not only are you getting water prior but during and post  bdsm , as well as through out the day , diet , your diet can allow toxin to build , general fitness , blood preasure and circulation .and stress  not only through out the bdsm exchanges  but daily .
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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:29:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		although i'm not sure my opinion was looked over, with that kind of history i would lean toward a neurological problem.  perhaps with the diseases you've had in the past your hypothalamus sustained some damage that has gotten worse with time and is now showing itself.  either your hypothalamus isn't recieving the right signal or you're cold(ambient temp) and wet (sweat) that would be my educated guess.  hope you see a doc and get your problem cleared up. best wishes for health and happiness.

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:31:18 PM   
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Any way... Good Luck, and keep in mind... You will not get professional help in these forums. The ONLY PRO help you need is at the doctors office. No-one here is qualified to be of any assistance. Except those who are... and they know better than to dispense advice on these forums about such things. They to will tell you get to a dr.


Oh I know...and I would never use this as a substitute for proper medical care. I was just hoping for some likely possibilities so that I have some idea what I need to talk to the doc about. 

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:33:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		like i said before my opinion is only a guess.  you should definitely see a doctor.  the sooner the better.

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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 3/30/2008 9:34:24 PM   
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Oh I know...and I would never use this as a substitute for proper medical care. I was just hoping for some likely possibilities so that I have some idea what I need to talk to the doc about. 


Sound advice. Good strategy.. But I am guessing, ONLY guessing, that a doctor might have a better idea than here any way. You know those 8-12 (or more) years of studying those HYPOTHYRO thingies.  lol

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