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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/1/2008 6:15:01 PM

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I'm 5'1 and 283 lbs and my blood pressure runs around 90/60, my cholesterol was 177 last they checked and my blood sugar was 91. Does that mean I'm healthy? LOL

At the moment you appear to be. Probably long term that extra weight will take a toll on your system, and I would suggest that lighter would be healthier, but my point is that being overweight is not a death sentence, and you need to stay on top of the vital readings, not just what a weight chart tells you.

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/1/2008 6:17:33 PM

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I'm 5'1 and 283 lbs and my blood pressure runs around 90/60, my cholesterol was 177 last they checked and my blood sugar was 91. Does that mean I'm healthy? LOL

At the moment you appear to be. Probably long term that extra weight will take a toll on your system, and I would suggest that lighter would be healthier, but my point is that being overweight is not a death sentence, and you need to stay on top of the vital readings, not just what a weight chart tells you.

I do have slight tachycardia...but I think it's mostly b/c I'm always anxious hehe when I was taking strong anxiety medication in the hospital my pulse got down to 78 hehe

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/1/2008 6:22:07 PM

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Of course normal people eat take out. Keep in mind as long as it's eaten in moderation, it's fine. Honestly, I really go for the veggies and jello. LOL

I'm the only one in my home that likes them, and the Chinese buffet place near me has a really good variety of steamed veggies.

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/1/2008 6:22:54 PM

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Dang, is it too late to get in on the take out? All I want is some chicken fried rice.... lol

Oh, and I'm just the right size, whatever size it may be at the time.

BMI is bullshit, no two ways about it. Much better to keep track of your health instead of your clothing size.
Numbers don't mean much, since each manufacturer seem to make up their own sizes for their clothing...

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/1/2008 6:41:10 PM

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a size 18 is FAR from healthy...and it is not curvy. It is fat. And you're probably morbidly obese...at least my friend who wears a size 18 is morbidly obese

*wonders if this chick is 3 feet tall who, at a size 18 is morbidly obese?*

When I was wearing a size 18, I was all of 175 pounds, and nearly 6 feet tall. The above quote seems to me, fuzzy math, if I've ever heard it. I was hardly morbidly obese in a size 18... not by a long shot.

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/1/2008 6:45:00 PM

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a size 18 is FAR from healthy...and it is not curvy. It is fat. And you're probably morbidly obese...at least my friend who wears a size 18 is morbidly obese

*wonders if this chick is 3 feet tall who, at a size 18 is morbidly obese?*

When I was wearing a size 18, I was all of 175 pounds, and nearly 6 feet tall. The above quote seems to me, fuzzy math, if I've ever heard it. I was hardly morbidly obese in a size 18... not by a long shot.

she's 5'4.

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/1/2008 7:41:05 PM

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I noted this in the OP (I noted a couple other things, too):
"The 2004 scare-stats put out by the Centers for Disease Control - that 400,000 deaths in the US were caused annually by obesity - were flawed to the point of deliberate lying. They measured how many of the people who died in the given year - died at all; in car crashes, of Lyme's disease, in bar fights, whatever, it didn't matter, they were all lumped in there - were obese, and then lumped all the deaths of obese people in as death from obesity."

The same thing happens with hospital admissions WRT illegal substances (IS) and/or prescription meds(PM). An admission, or death, where an IS and/or PM is found in the blood is almost always reported as the cause of admission/death when it often has nothing to do with the situation. Oxycontin was the big scare not long ago, anyone remember the breathless hysteria? LIES. Anyway, there were many alcohol and/or other substances found in the system, which were the actual cause of OD/death. The OC was blamed, however (I can point you all to the relevant info, if requested). Many legitimate pain sufferers were left hanging because of the hysteria stirred up by lying opportunistic LEOs and gullible Press.

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/1/2008 9:20:32 PM

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Another festival of personal attacks and thread derailing cleaned up.

Folks, this is getting out of hand and with a few exceptions, it's consistantly the same handful of people who are engaging in this behavior. Since individual pleas don't appear to be having any traction here, we're going to have to take more drastic measures. Those who don't straighten up and fly right can expect to take a 2 week vacation from the forums, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Enough is enough.

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/1/2008 9:55:58 PM

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*Raises hand to present a conflicting opinion* Um, the BMI may be flawed, but what other tool do we have right now to effectively calculate body mass? And yes, I DO think there is an obesity epidemic in America right now. All I have to do is look around me on any given day, or go to a local elementary school. Children a generation ago were not as fat as they are now, and their health is being put at risk. As a junk food eating, soda-drinking, prepared-food loving American, I'm just as guilty of the behaviors that breed obesity as anyone else. I just happen to do it in maybe a little more moderation and with a little bit of genetic blessing that keeps me a size 2 (at 5'. PS - my BMI is a 22, and I would like to get it back down below 20.) I just don't think we should be so quick to dismiss the only tool we have to gauge obesity when we haven't developed a new one yet. If anyone else has some suggestions for monitoring healthy body weight, I'd love to hear 'em.

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/1/2008 10:21:22 PM

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If anyone else has some suggestions for monitoring healthy body weight, I'd love to hear 'em.

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And if you are the type that needs some kind of measurement tool to judge yourself, you are better off getting your bodyfat tested. Weighing in water is the most accurate way to do this, but there is also the caliper method(accurate when done correctly), and electrical impedence devices(not that accurate, but useful as a tool for measuring progress).

You might want to do the suggestion above about monitoring body fat..

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/2/2008 1:43:15 AM

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I used to command a Marine Recon Platoon. At that time my weight was 200 pounds and I was 5'8". I'm still 200 pounds and 5'8". I guess that means I'm in the same shape as I was.

Strange, I have to find out who that fat balding guy is who is looking back out of the mirror.

ROFL..... thanks for the laugh .. I know Im not in the same shape I was ..... but I do understand the sentiment

I tell people my chest has retreated southward and taken a dispersed defensive position

Mine is making it's way down South....and not just for the winter either..sigh...

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/2/2008 7:56:24 AM

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I have a body comp done every week

tells them my body fat %, muscle mass and water weight. I love it hehe

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/2/2008 8:43:56 AM

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So do you guys ever get squicked when you see HWP on a profile?

Gwyn

I just laugh and shake my head. If someone is more interested in looks than skill, it's their loss. After all, I've gotten to know some of the best dominants in the scene and most of them, like myself, have a few more pounds than is currently fashionable.

Seriously, I counsel people to be very cautious about excluding potential partners for "qualifications" that aren't completely vital to what the person needs for a successful bonding. We are not really a numerous group and you could well be excluding the one person who could make you very happy.

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In my opinion, one of the major, self-imposed impediments both dominants and submissives bring to the search for a partner is a long list of requirements. Now this doesn’t mean that we need to drop back to the level of a teen-aged boy whose only requirements in a sex partner is she needs to be alive and breathing. Compatibility]] is important even in a casual scene. (And if you don’t believe me, try watching the outcome of a scene between a pain-play bottom and a pony/control-play top.) In a long-term relationship, it’s vital, but just what does it take to make “compatibility”?
Each time you add another “must have” requirement to your list, you are shaving the list of candidates by a greater or lesser degree. Ask yourself, “Is hair color really that important?” Most people, upon reflection, will agree it isn’t. How about weight? Age? Sex? Species? Ok, maybe I’m going a little far here, but at least, you’re thinking, and that’s the important thing. Look at your list and strike out anything that’s “nice to have” but isn’t a “must.”

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/2/2008 8:57:34 AM

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So do you guys ever get squicked when you see HWP on a profile?

Gwyn

I just laugh and shake my head. If someone is more interested in looks than skill, it's their loss. After all, I've gotten to know some of the best dominants in the scene and most of them, like myself, have a few more pounds than is currently fashionable.

Seriously, I counsel people to be very cautious about excluding potential partners for "qualifications" that aren't completely vital to what the person needs for a successful bonding. We are not really a numerous group and you could well be excluding the one person who could make you very happy.

[From The Loving Dominant, third edition, copyrighted and posted here by the author. Please do not repost]

In my opinion, one of the major, self-imposed impediments both dominants and submissives bring to the search for a partner is a long list of requirements. Now this doesn’t mean that we need to drop back to the level of a teen-aged boy whose only requirements in a sex partner is she needs to be alive and breathing. Compatibility]] is important even in a casual scene. (And if you don’t believe me, try watching the outcome of a scene between a pain-play bottom and a pony/control-play top.) In a long-term relationship, it’s vital, but just what does it take to make “compatibility”?
Each time you add another “must have” requirement to your list, you are shaving the list of candidates by a greater or lesser degree. Ask yourself, “Is hair color really that important?” Most people, upon reflection, will agree it isn’t. How about weight? Age? Sex? Species? Ok, maybe I’m going a little far here, but at least, you’re thinking, and that’s the important thing. Look at your list and strike out anything that’s “nice to have” but isn’t a “must.”

I agree 100% in fact i tend to judge a dom on how well we get along rather than having requirements at all - aside from kink compatibility, i'm a painslut and a sensual dom just won't do it for me.

I remember when i met my first dom. I caught sight of him and thought "oh hell no, he's not what i'm looking for, he's too old (he looks older than his real age. We talked for a while and i still didn't think we were compatible but our agreement was to be for training only since his wife isn't comfortable with his owning a slave.

So i thought "what the hell, the idea here is for me to learn more about D/s and what my likes/dislikes are so i said yes. Am i ever glad i did! We turned out to be super compatible and in fact had difficulty saying goodbye when the month's contract was up.

The more requirements, the more difficult it is to find someone and it makes me laugh that those with a long list of them moan about how difficult it is to find someone..

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/2/2008 11:45:21 AM

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Well good dollparts. I think it's important to have all those things in measurable form. I guess my doctor just uses BMI because there isn't a discernable need to use anything else on me...if there was, I would hope he would look at the total spectrum. And I'm glad you are concerned about your health, and losing weight under a doctor's supervision. I hope we can swap clothes someday! It's hard for short girls!

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/2/2008 11:58:42 AM

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The OP makes a couple valid points, but unfortunately goes overboard in many of her unsupportable assertions. Obesity is a real problem, and it exacerbates or directly causes many serious health problems. We shouldn't go crazy with trying to make everybody thin, but we also shouldn't ignore the clear scientific data, from properly executed studies, that show how harmful obesity is to many people's health.

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/2/2008 2:19:06 PM

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The Pharmaceutical companies all have diet pills in the works.. and some on the market that make having an "Obesity Epidemic" quite conveinent. Also conveinent are these fad diets where if they dont work.. you blame the fat ass for not "sticking with it" or for having "low will power".

Now, you can't just blame Big Pharma... convincing people that they'd be happier if they were better-looking, and that YOU HAVE THE SECRET TO LOOKING BETTER is as old as advertising, possibly commerce itself... And everybody from restaurants to healthy clubs to clothing manufacturers gets a piece of the action.

i do recall looking to see what Weight Watchers recommended as my "ideal" weight once... granted, i am a fatass, but there's no way i could have hit that number without losing significant muscle mass as well. It was a joke.

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I will save a spot for you in my booth at the Chinese Buffet.

If they've got good General Tso's, i'm THERE!

getting back to the pharmaceutical compa *HUH??* General Tso's? Did someone say General Tso's?????????

it is a combined effort that is for sure.. and it never accounts for muscle mass... never. Muscle weighs more then fat. If you are a healthy person who works out.. and has a high muscle ratio (which I do even though due to illness and back issues I can not work out any where *near* what I have in the past) your weight is going to be in a higher range then the couch potato who sits on thier arse all day long. So if you take this into acct. You can be 250 lbs or (what ever weight) and healthy as hell... pump iron.. run marathons.. ect.. and by the chart be on "deaths door" compared to the 160 lb coach potato who never works out.. and eats crap deep fried and has colesterol through the roof. They always try to sell it to folks in a pill form because people want a "quick fix" and are too freakin lazy to make "lifestyle changes"

It is about healty living.. exercising... eating balanced meals... being good to your body.

Not about going crazy and trying to drop weight and damaging organs by losing weight too rapidly by starving yourself or yo yoing out of control.

and yes.. they have Gen. Tso's.... one of my all time faves.

*big smiles*

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/2/2008 2:27:05 PM

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Of course normal people eat take out. Keep in mind as long as it's eaten in moderation, it's fine. Honestly, I really go for the veggies and jello. LOL

I'm the only one in my home that likes them, and the Chinese buffet place near me has a really good variety of steamed veggies.

That is why I go to my fave place...

1/2 the plate is the garlic long beans with onions.. the other half of the plate is squash and zuccini w/ onions. Maybe 1 skewer of grilled ter. chicken. I love the veggies! And of course wash it down with a pot of hot green tea.

There are reasons why Asians in thier home land do not worry about all the health issues we worry with. No preservitives, fresh veg, fruit, fish, and grilled meats. They stop eating when they feel about 70% full.

Gen Tso and the honey goey dishes are Chinese/American dishes.. darn good.. but not what they eat back home. ( also high in calories.. so I limit how much of that I eat. But Gods is it good.)

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/2/2008 3:30:42 PM

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I couldn't agree more beachs. The size of bones does make a difference.

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RE: BMI is Bull Sh*t - 4/2/2008 5:42:24 PM

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So do you guys ever get squicked when you see HWP on a profile?

Gwyn

I just laugh and shake my head. If someone is more interested in looks than skill, it's their loss. After all, I've gotten to know some of the best dominants in the scene and most of them, like myself, have a few more pounds than is currently fashionable.

Yummy!

My Daddy is a big, handsome man, and I must say that I adore men with something squeezable around their middle. He is so very secure in Himself and that confidence is amazingly sexy. He is the one who brought me out of my fat-shell, and explained to me that I was His, and that no one talks down about His girl, not even His girl. (We won't get into how He proved to me that He wasn't kidding about that... ouch.)

Now, as big as I am, (and I've been bigger and I've been smaller), I've found that I can still get sweet looks from cute guys and girls, and I have no problem getting naked at the club and getting hooked to a St. Andrews cross in front of whomever may be there. It's part of the confidence that my Daddy has instilled into me that makes me able to stand proud, knowing that I have value and appeal, no matter what size my plushy-goodness comes in.

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