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BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 7:31:00 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		It is with interest I came across a controversial but possible cure for depression and addiction, that involving the application of beating and torture to release endorphin receptors to create a wealth of happy feelings.

http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/360/15176_whipping.html

Myself not being particularly experienced in cures of this nature, I ask of others here, their thoughts on this subject.


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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 7:35:07 AM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		Temporary endorphin release, not a cure. Similar to regular exercise helping with light to moderate depression. Endorphin release will not have any effect on severe, suicidal ideation. There are a lot of things that help light depression but not severe, remember the big hoo hah about St. Johns Wort? Only works on light cases.

Plus I'm wondering if the people who said it helped them suffered from clinical depression or temporary due to Seasonal Affective Disorder. Lack of sunlight in Russia is a problem during the winter months.

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 8:06:14 AM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		Endorphins being released don't exactly make you happy.  They mask pain.  Not mental pain.

They made a whole movie on this concept, the Secretary. 

My personal opinion...no BDSM does not and will never cure depression. 

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 8:38:47 AM   
KCherry


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Status: offline 		I think as a cure for depression I cant see it being a long term help. However, it can make a person more cheerful in the short term. (Or more depressed depending on the situation)

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 8:54:37 AM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		Yep, I agree KC.  Even when depressed we have moments of happiness then we fall back down.

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 9:10:05 AM   
Belladonna30


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Status: offline 		I suffer from panic attacks and I tend to be wound very tight. A good spanking or flogging helps me re-center and I can move on. I don't have depression so much as anger issues (anger management classes on 3 occassions haven't helped) but I seem to be able to release a ton of tension when I am flogged.

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 9:17:48 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		The question I asked on this was perhaps not clear, I do understand the mechanics of endorphin release when applied to depression, it's effects though are perhaps short lived, it is respite from the darkness of personal hell. Something which can be achieved by hard exercise, provided that there is the motivation  to do it, and whence started, continue and finish what you started, as failure to continue is as good as not starting at all.

My thoughts to the article reported, was that with submission, that initial motivation to exercise  and there continue is taken from the subject and there treatment administerred to a conclusion out of the depressed person's control.

May it be that to control depression, a person has to be treated for their own good when they cannot see it, as quite often depression warps the understanding.

Those of you here, that do subscribe to a good beating by someone you trust, do you find relief from your illness, temporary or long lasting?

As sure as hell, medications are fraught with difficulty, expensive to boot and sometimes of negligible effect, save to create dependance and other  undesireable side effects.


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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 12:02:28 PM   
MadameXTC


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Status: offline 		I have depression, but remember not everyone's depression is the same. Mine is something that I choose to deal with without medication. I find that when I experience a good scene and the endorphines are released I feel calmer and happier. I think maybe it is not so much depression that it treats but stress. And many people who experience stress find that depression runs along with it at times.I find that some people exercise or go on vacation to feel renewed, for me I just need some decent  B and D, and some snuggling when it is over. I agree that the endorphine rush cannot help everyone, and it is not an alternative to seeking medical treatment. If a person needs an alternative way to treat their depression and it is not so severe it affects their daily activties of life, then a good scene could work to lift a persons spirits. It does mine, but I cannot speak for everyone. :)


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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 12:47:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do find BDSM helps me cope when I'm having a bad time.  It distracts me.  It commands all of my attention.  After the rush of playing and good aftercare, I often fall into a deep restful sleep.  I feel great when I awake and somehow life seems doable again. 

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 12:50:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't suffer from depression or addictions.  But I do seem to crave an ass whipping when I have pent up frustration (and I don't mean sexual).  I mean when I'm stressed out or whatever, getting my ass beaten brings me relief from that.  Don't know why tho.

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 2:52:03 PM   
LikaLady


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Status: offline 		As others have said, depression is different for each. Since you understand the biological impact of temporary endorphine release, let us talk of the emotional well being that is influenced by BDSM. For me, being involved with a good Dom and/or Top that can deal out some pain causes me inner peace. The acceptance and pleasure that comes from the lashes of a whip hitting my back is a powerful thing. I have a tendency to be very hard on myself, I carry the weight of the world on my shoulders. During a good beating, I can cry and release this...its a safe environment to let my barriers down and work through things. Afterwards, the cuddling and aftercare helps restore my balance. I come away feeling lighter, freer. I am better able to face the world and I grow as a person. To me, while this doesn't "cure" my depression, it helps me find ways to deal with it, and to walk with my head high.

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 6:04:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have or had chronic clinical depression. Runs in the family, suicide attempts, struggling with suicidal ideation etc.

Unipolar depression is the only mood disorder which can be cured.  According to my psychiatrist, who specialized in genetic mood disorders, 70% of sufferers need only 18-24 months of a SSRI to attain a cure. Another 15% need up to 5 years. And the remaining 15% need to remain on them for life.

Classic unipolar normally manifests during adolescence, may disappear over time and return with the changing hormones of middle age. As an adolescent, depression was not then considered a disease of youth since minors were not thought to have anything to be depressed about. It went away in my 30's and returned in mid 40's. At that point, after the invention of Prozac and ilk, I went from suicidal to having it lift in a weekend. On Friday my primary wanted to sign me into a psych ward as the psychiatrist wasn't available that day. She gave me a starter pack of Zoloft, watched me swallow the first one, having set up a Monday appointment for me. By the time I showed at his office on Monday the depression was lifted. I was anxious and nauseous as a side effect. Told him I didn't mind some nausea cause maybe I'd lose weight but the anxiety had to go. He reduced me to a half of the lowest level pill for two weeks and over a year slowly worked me up in levels. At 200 mg I finally felt normal. Would I have traded weeks long sessions of beatings with no long term results available for that pill once a day? No way.

I'm fourth generation mood disorder, and only my generation has not lost anyone to suicide. The fifth generation hasn't had to suffer for years like I did. A year or two and they're fine for the next thirty years when they'll need another year or two. At my age, it should never recur. And no, none of us have any dependence on them. We tapered off slowly over six weeks and were fine.

You could say I'm more dependent on my blood pressure pills, since those I do need to take daily.

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 6:06:30 PM   
lronitulstahp


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Status: offline 		starting to think maybe domiguy is on to something....

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 7:03:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		in my experience, if the depression is chronic then the endorphin release will only do what any other medicine will do, allow the bottom to reach a state of mind where they can deal with the other issues through a theraputic enviorment, this varies widely from person to person, from intensive therapy with a professional, to learning to cope with reality on their own once they are able to get past the chemical imbalance in the brain...again, only my own experience - i am not a professional...

and with my own experience with addiction, endorphin release is NOT a good substitute, and in my opinion there is no cure for addiction, it is more like diabetes, something that can be controlled with regular treatement (at first it may have to be more intensive to get it under control, but after a while, it becomes routine unless you lapse...) and the reason i don't think it is a good substitute because it is a substitute, and more often than not, it is just changing addictions...and instead of whatever the person was addicted to to make them feel "normal" the person needs the endorphin release to feel "normal"...and once again, only my own experience, i am not a professional...i've just talked to a lot of them..

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 7:08:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Life changes cure depression-not chemical ones.

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 10:03:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Life changes cure depression-not chemical ones.


That is a personal opinion, and may be true for some, but not every one.

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 10:21:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		All the medication and counseling in the world is not going to have a postive effect on someone who chooses to linger in a bad situation.

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 10:26:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

All the medication and counseling in the world is not going to have a postive effect on someone who chooses to linger in a bad situation.

no argument there

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 10:31:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

All the medication and counseling in the world is not going to have a postive effect on someone who chooses to linger in a bad situation.


No, but the medication and counseling may be necessary tools for making the choice to improve one's situation.

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RE: BDSM as a cure for depression and addiction - 4/15/2008 10:32:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice


quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

All the medication and counseling in the world is not going to have a postive effect on someone who chooses to linger in a bad situation.


No, but the medication and counseling may be necessary tools for making the choice to improve one's situation.

quite true

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