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reactions to Gardisal - 5/13/2008 2:53:21 PM

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After reading this i've pretty much changed my mind on the use of Gardisal, the HPV vaccine:

The HPV Vaccine: Preventive Care or Human Sacrifice?

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/13/2008 3:05:32 PM

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While it is sad some people have died or had complications from taking this vaccine so many more would die in the future without taking this drug astronomically more than if it were not available. I would guess every known drug or vaccine has some deaths or complications attributed to them. Odds are odds. I think the irrationalism with drugs is kind of like..i am afraid to fly but i know it is a heck of a lot safer to fly than driving..but i can't get it in my head sometimes and it is an irrational fear...but this is just my humble opinion.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/13/2008 4:58:47 PM

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I wouldn't take the article too seriously. Not only is it from a site dedicated to "alternative medicine" (sound a duck makes), it's only citation is from a similar site, and the title is not something a responsible newsperson or doctor would have chosen. Of course, if you check him out at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola you can see he's not very credible as a source

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/15/2008 8:59:25 PM

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I wouldn't take the article too seriously. Not only is it from a site dedicated to "alternative medicine" (sound a duck makes), it's only citation is from a similar site, and the title is not something a responsible newsperson or doctor would have chosen. Of course, if you check him out at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola you can see he's not very credible as a source

Thanks for your input John. I always respect your opinions. I enjoy Mercola's newsletter and agree with a lot of his ideas on nutrition. I think the long term effects of Gardisal have yet to be seen.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/16/2008 4:00:22 AM

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I really wouldn't take this too seriously. If this were coming from a reliable source maybe, but some self-professed doctor? Naaaa. I work at one of the hospitals where Gardasil was tested. Granted that it's possible that these incidents happened but when the clinical trials were going on, there wasn't a single patient who had a reaction like these right after being given the drug. In fact they stopped the short-term trials because they felt honor-bound to give it to everyone because it was working so well. That's when more long-term studies started.

Not everything on the ninernet is true. There are those who love to scare the public so take this one with a pound of salt, not just a grain.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/16/2008 10:21:20 PM

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I get my last gardasil vaccine on Monday.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/17/2008 8:21:39 AM

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I would not want my daughter taking this injection, I don't think it is worth it at this time.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/17/2008 7:59:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: proudsub

After reading this i've pretty much changed my mind on the use of Gardisal, the HPV vaccine:

The HPV Vaccine: Preventive Care or Human Sacrifice?

This guy has gotten multiple warnings from the FDA about inaccurate claims posted on his website and he isn't a M.D. Nor does he have any actual citations for his claims. I honestly would have expected you (based on other postings I've seen you make) to require actual proof before coming to such a conclusion.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/18/2008 6:26:24 AM

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Even if it is true, I look at it the same way as my friends who claim they do not wear a seatbelt because some people have been trapped in cars by them and died.

If something saves your life 95% of the time and endangers it 5% of the time, whould you choose to take it?

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/18/2008 9:01:31 AM

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I would not want my daughter taking this injection, I don't think it is worth it at this time.

I'm sorry to read this. I don't mean to critisise and of course she is your daughter but i beg you to reconsider. The fact is Gardisal really is effective and safe and cervical cancer is so silent that by the time there are symptoms it's almost if not totally untreatable.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/18/2008 9:51:18 AM

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I would not want my daughter taking this injection, I don't think it is worth it at this time.

My 18yr old just received her final injection last month.

After speaking to our Dr. (who's been our Dr for the last 7 years) we came to the conclusion that the benefits completely outweighed the risks. The shots do hurt, and the last one is the worst but by the next day she was barely feeling it and very little swelling at injection site.

We read about girls fainting from the pain, etc and let me tell ya, My daughter can NOT handle pain well, but she did ok with the shots.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/18/2008 2:24:34 PM

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The fact is Gardisal really is effective and safe and cervical cancer is so silent that by the time there are symptoms it's almost if not totally untreatable.

I have to disagree here. If women would get regualr paps the pre-cancerous condition called cervical dysplasia would be detected and can be treated. I know, i've been there. If caught early enough the LEEP procedure is very effective.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/18/2008 5:00:28 PM

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The drug is only intended for women less than 30 years of age because of the type of HPV strain is supposedly protects from . Women over the age of 30 are not to be given this injection. I agree more studies need to be done over its long term efficacy.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/18/2008 6:15:19 PM

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quote:

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The fact is Gardisal really is effective and safe and cervical cancer is so silent that by the time there are symptoms it's almost if not totally untreatable.

I have to disagree here. If women would get regualr paps the pre-cancerous condition called cervical dysplasia would be detected and can be treated. I know, i've been there. If caught early enough the LEEP procedure is very effective.

The problem here is that it's been proven that there are a lot of false negative Paps due to the doctor not taking the sample properly or lab error. This happens at an alarming rate.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/18/2008 9:13:10 PM

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My daughters won't be getting this shot. I have so many questions about how it got approved and it's safety. I have a feeling that in ten years there will be a ton of problems for these girls from this vaccine. Hope I'm wrong.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 5/21/2008 6:00:00 PM

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I'm in the camp of my daughter isn't getting it. It just doesn't feel right and they did a bit of back pedalling in the ads that I saw. She will and has been taught that safer sex practices are important which will go much further protecting her life than a shot that protects against some very limited forms of a common condition that may or may not cause another disease. Yes, I know cervical cancer is sneaky, all gynecological cancers are, my youngest step sister has had it twice now, the first time she was not sexually active so it didn't come from HPV.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 6/9/2008 1:40:58 AM

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I'd like to point out that since a pap does not test every single cell on the cervix (or even most of them) a problem can grow and be undetected for years. I'm certainly not saying that paps aren't important, they most certainly are, but they are not a fail-safe.
Neither is the vaccine, but if we are talking fertility vs. cancer... I personally don't think it's entirely responsible to give birth to a life that is yours to protect and provide for and not fully protect and provide for yourself, especially when its in order to keep THEM cared for by you. I personally would rather see my child be cancer-free and adopt a child later in life. And I hate to point out what no one wants to hear, but no matter how educated your child is...kids slip up, won't always tell you when they need help, and will put themselves in harm's way. It's called seeking independence and adulthood. It's unfortunate that we can't guarantee that it's done in a safer manner, but the truth is you DON'T and will not ALWAYS know what your kids are doing unless you have them isolated and terrified of most life experiences.
I have ha dthe first two shots of Gardasil. MY arm was a little warm and itchy and it burned going in. I was also a little lagged, with a sore arm the next day, but it wasn't much worse than when I got my depo shots years ago (and I can't begin to tell you how horrible that was!) Considering that my immune system is compromised by Chrohn's and I had consistent mildly irregular paps for years until this month, I'm not too concerned and trust me I grew up with a mother that refused live vaccs for all of us with a vengeance.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 6/10/2008 7:47:21 AM

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My aunt and i disagree on this soo much! my little cousin is about to turn 14 and im begging my aunt to wait a little longer and see the long term effects before going though with this. i just have a bad feeling about this. i send her every article i find about this trying to better educate her, but its like my time is wasted on her. If she could give me better than well the doctor says its good, then i would listen more. i'm sorry, but i dont think this has been out long enough and they are already having some major issues with it. i feel like they are using our youth as little test rats. Thank god i dont have children. i'm 21 and have been and right now going though an abnormal pap test and if my doctor talked to me about this i would tell him no thank you, ive done enough research on my own to know im better off right now. Now, 10 years down the line and things dont look so bad then i would be more open to the idea of young girls getting it. IMO

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 6/10/2008 10:16:38 AM

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Proudsub, i urged my UM to to get the vaccine because of the tv ads i had seen. i didn't do any research on it on my own.

i am digusted with myself. What am i, a dimwit? When did i start believing everything i saw in a tv commercial?

i'll be more prudent in the future.

BTW, the UM has a mind of her own. She might listen to me, but she makes her own decisions. It's very annoying, LOL.

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RE: reactions to Gardisal - 6/10/2008 10:34:56 AM

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Yes, it's important for us to become educated consumers, and make informed and reasoned decisions about our health. Yet, when I try to read up on the "risks" most anything I have found, including the article linked in the first post here, has very little hard science and a lot of hearsay. It makes it difficult for a person to determine what the actual risks are. Our societal lack of understanding of how real science works is dismaying, and it makes all of us easier to bamboozle.

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