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US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 3:35:46 PM   
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BAGHDAD (AP) - An American soldier used a Quran, the Islamic holy book, for target practice in a predominantly Sunni area west of Baghdad, prompting an apology from the U.S. military, a spokesman said Sunday.
 
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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 3:44:29 PM   
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Welcome to the cretin's idea of diplomatic relations. What a tosser.

PS: did you notice the pictures of the wounded children and of the dead two year old child?

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 3:45:23 PM   
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Welcome to the cretin's idea of diplomatic relations. What a tosser.



That's putting it mildly.
 
It absolutely blows my mind how stupid some people can be.

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 3:46:35 PM   
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Trying to tone down my act, Level  .

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 3:56:29 PM   
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What a complete prick, oh I do hope this excuse is languishing in the glasshouse.

Basically, shoot at a holy book, basically shooting at a belief and identity of a race of people


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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 4:02:59 PM   
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The harm to American prestige, worldwide, will be colossal. Muslims wont see this as one soldier, but symptomatic of America and the west. Bang goes troop withdrawals anytime soon.

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 4:04:45 PM   
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So what, I don't care if it was the Quran, Talmud, Bible, Protocols or the original Silent Weapons, it is but a piece of paper.

A flag is nothing but a piece of cloth.

Humans are so into symbolism, and that goes for the shooting at the Quran as well. It was like he was flexing his muscle, not an appealing act, not in the least.

While these symbols mean ABSOLUTELY nothing to me, to coexist in society I have to realize that they mean something to someone else. To be a member of an occupying force and shoot up a holy book of the occupied country is a show of hubris, and IMO ignorance.

But then if the guy had a brain and could get a good job I doubt he would be in the military. So go ahead and add to the hurt that we put on them for no good reason. The hunt is on. But let me give y'all one piece of advice :

Kill them all, they are never going to stop being pissed off at us, ever. If Iraqis came here and did to this country what we did to theirs, how would you feel ?

And if they did come I would buy, beg, borrow and steal them all the Bibles I possibly could for their target practice, because that mutherfucker is what got us into this fucking mess.

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 4:08:26 PM   
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Yeah, go on then, let's blatantly disrespect the beliefs of others, just because we don't agree with them. Some people hold certain things sacred: perhaps it strikes you as stupid, but guess what? Your beliefs are probably ridiculous to other people too.

Why do it in the first place  ?


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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 4:16:46 PM   
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The harm to American prestige, worldwide, will be colossal. Muslims wont see this as one soldier, but symptomatic of America and the west. Bang goes troop withdrawals anytime soon.


Absolutely. It's as if he had no knowledge of how much anger exists towards America. I'd court martial the idiot.

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 4:30:29 PM   
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kit, if you are responding to me, I said it was not good. It was not me shooting at a Quran, Torah, even War and Peace. I distinctly stated that I would not do that because of what these mean to others. And if you put bullet holes in my books, I will buy more books.

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 4:32:57 PM   
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It was a furious rant, sorry if it looked like it was aimed at you.

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 4:40:48 PM   
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  This is the GOP`s version of winning hearts and minds.

I imagine Rush and the rest will say they were" just blowing off steam".

I agree that this will do untold harm,to our GI`s,reputation and our mission.

I also know that neo-cons won`t care less about it.We might even hear calls to defile more holy books.

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 4:45:39 PM   
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Oh great!  Middle Eastern countries are going to hate the United States now and declare jihad on us.

Wait...weren't they already like that decades ago?

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 4:47:33 PM   
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Oh great!  Middle Eastern countries are going to hate the United States now and declare jihad on us.

Wait...weren't they already like that decades ago?

No one says shit when they drag our dead soldiers through the streets and set them on fire, nor does anyone say anything when they burn the American flag.  Hmmmm, if the United States is expected to act a certain way, the arabs should be held accountable to the same level, too.


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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 4:53:36 PM   
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It's all about 'us and them', isn't it  ?

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 4:58:33 PM   
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I wonder if it will all calm down when the oilfields run dry.

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 5:01:43 PM   
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Try this for an explaination of why it was stupid beyond belief.

Every action you take has a possibility for gain and/or for loss, every action.
Even if it is just the loss of your time.

This action has enormous possibilities for loss.  It could not work any
better for Osama Ben Ladin if he had custom ordered it!  That is on the
loss side for us, the USA.  Now tell us what did this fool gain from it.

If you cannot see this as major league stupid I would love to get you
into a poker game.

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 5:03:38 PM   
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I'm certainly not excusing the soldier's behavior or thinking.  I'm saying that the international community gets all in a tizzy when an American does something stupid and careless, but there is no public outcry when arabs do something barbaric.  The United States should not be held to a different standard than the rest of the world.  Everyone should be held to the same standard.  I guess the international community "excuses" barbaric behavior from arabs because they don't want to upset them or rile them up.

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 5:10:29 PM   
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What are your sources of foreign news? I'm just curious about which international community you are referring to. My experience is completely different.

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RE: US soldier shoots at Quran for target practice - 5/18/2008 5:19:31 PM   
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59, That's they way they have always done it. And our GIs need to blow off steam. How dare these people even think of fighting an alien invader ? Fuck them and bury them all.

Keep that last line in mind for a second. kit, I know we have our arguments, but this doesn't seem to be one of them.

We are going to have to kill them all. We have done so much now that they will never be our friends. The whole middle east is like a pressure cooker on which someone put duct tape to keep the relief valve from working.

Every Arab has wanted every Jew dead since 1948, and that is not going to change. We install puppet governments and military bases to protect those governments from their own subjects. We are shielded from the truth by the media. If allowed true elections most of these Arab countries would elect leaders who would literally burn our military bases to the ground.

And I would not blame them one bit. And I don't blame them for hating us, but that doesn't mean that I say just let them kill us. And the point is, they are never going to stop trying. So kill them all. Admit to ourselves that we are indeed the beast, the destroyer. Face the killer instinct.

I am sick of this mamby pamby bullshit, we are the aggressors, we are the imperialists of this time. We are on a campaign for gain, and the longer we refuse to accept the truth about ourselves, the longer it will take for us to gain true enlightenment.

I remember too much. This was either a Twilight Zone or an Outer Limits episode. A soldier from the future was thrown back in time, and it took quite a bit to capture him. As the interrogation went on it was found that he was actually speaking English, but in a sort of shorthand form. In his time, somehow they had learned to use cats as messengers. His name was Qualo and he had cigarettes that lit themself. He spoke of himself in the third person, and had a very limited vocabulary.

That is what they want. Exactly what they want. People who do not think, just shoot.

This is where the world is headed folks, if something is not done. But the fact right now is, if Americans want to safe all over the world we will have to kill every Arab who has not been coopted. Thank you Zionists.

But I have gone too far, the OP subject actually means very little to me. Like burning the flag. People think they are hurting a true patriot doing that ? Fucking nuts. If you have the mental wherewithall to understand how this country should be, and embrace those ideals, you might burn the flag as well.

And you might as well put bullet holes in our Constitution as well, it has expired. And we have no respect for any other culture, declaring ours superior. Shooting Gooks, Towelheads, whoever else gets in our way, well that is just fine.

But what I am saying is this fucking time do it right. We are taking over the world no matter what it costs in lives or money, or respect. None of this shit is supported by the Constitution, which is SUPPOSED to be the charter of this government. But if we are going to be thugs, do it fucking right. Kill them all so we don't have to worry about it later.

Let's get honest with ourselves, otherwise we will never be able to be honest with others.

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