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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/21/2008 3:11:48 AM   
phoenixinchains


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Status: offline 		no, i believe the topic is,

do you asume ALL subs/slaves will submit to ANY Dom/me?  just my take.

a few out there wish to be universally subservient. it is clear many do not. i believe the goal is simply to see who does what.

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/21/2008 4:10:25 AM   
RumpusParable


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quote:

ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

And for my fellow Dominants, do you expect your sub/slave to follow others orders, or are you the only one who can command?


It depends on the relationship and its dynamic.  If it's a casual relationship of D/s dynamic, then I tend not to care if they submit to others so long as they're honest with me that they intend to.  If they are someone I've clarified that they are Mine in some way (with their agreement) then they're expected to only obey other dominants who I've said they may or if we're at a special get-together where that's the understood arrangement.

As I said not too long back in talking with my friend Unravel, when it comes to such things I'm not at all jealous -but I *am* very possessive. 

I would be interested in exchanging services of my sub/slave with another who asked, if they and their sub/slave struck me right.  But someone who had a hissy over being asked to speak with me about it definitely wouldn't fall into the group of striking me right, though.

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/21/2008 6:48:51 AM   
IrishMist


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Perhaps I am just reading wrong but submission does not have to be sexual only. I know a good many males and females who willingly submit to those who they do not know on a personal level simply because it is in their nature to do so; and it has nothing to do with sex or intimacy at all.

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/21/2008 7:02:10 AM   
Willowmoon


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Status: offline 		Hell no, the only person I submit to is Master or anyone he has ordered me to submit too (Which will happen when hell freezes over)

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/21/2008 7:04:57 AM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		Hi IrishMist, 

I understand what you mean.  I see submission as a mindset.  I don't have that mindset with anyone but my Master.  I used to have that mindset with just about everyone, but it wasn't good for me, and I don't anymore.

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/21/2008 7:20:23 AM   
RCdc


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Status: offline 		People often mix up serving with submission.
Essentially, I like chocolate.  But I do not like all chocolate nor would all chocolate agree with me.
 
But I don't believe it's necessary to tell the world which chocolate I eat and do not eat either.
 
the.dark.

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/21/2008 7:28:04 AM   
DiurnalVampire


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Status: offline 		Irishmist, I never said anything aout sexual vs. nonsexual. With my boys at least, I dont want them submitting to anyone else. But thats just me. And obviously, it isnt JUST me, which makes me feel less unjustifiedly possessive. I would no sooner let someone else whip Fox than I would let them sleep with him. And no one gets their hands on Angel.
IT has nothing to do with loving more than one, its more submitting to one vs anone who asks. The boys arent going to sub for anyone else. Fox might serve someone drinks, or the like, but nothing beyond being a good host should do. HE would never give himsef to them in any other way.
What surprises me here though is the number of responses I have gotten saying the same thing. We submit to Master, not everyone. If there is such an agreement... where are these people who do NOT see it hat way comeing from? Not a one chimed in here, but they have no problem finding my mailbox...


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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/21/2008 10:34:01 AM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		I think the.dark. is absolutely right.  There is a huge difference in serving and submission.  I've had My sub participate in things like service oriented events.  There's one coming up here in a couple of weeks where he'll be doing so for a charity day.  Having him involved in giving massages or serving food at something like that is much different than submission.  

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/21/2008 1:25:08 PM   
lizcgirl


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Status: offline 		No. I was given very clear instructions by Daddy when I joined CM: be polite, as my behavior is a reflection on Him. But beyond being polite, I owe any random Dom who emails me nothing. If they are rude or too pushy, I don't have to be polite any more. i have had several Doms email me until I tell them I'm not allowed to have RL interactions, then they do one of three things: 1) respect that and back off, 2) try to convince me to break my word, or 3) just vanish all together. I will not submit to some one who knows nothing of me and has done nothing to earn my submission and I am not expected to. Any one who tries to convince me to break the rules is insulting me and my Daddy (in my eyes) and will never have my submission on any level.  

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/21/2008 1:30:10 PM   
TwoNYCDommes


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Status: offline 		My partner and I typically share submissives, so we expect them to obey both of us, but, not others in general, no.  However, we have, on rare occasions, loaned a sub to a friend of ours, for a specific purpose or duration, and in such cases the sub is required to obey our friend (subject to pre-specified limits).

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/22/2008 1:28:56 PM   
daddysprop247


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Status: offline 		IrishMist is correct, some submit to all to some degree or other simply because that is the nature of their submission. that is the way i am wired...if someone comes to me and asks or demands something of me, my first instinct is to obey. this is an instinct that is now moderated by my Master, by strictly controlling my interactions with the outside world and also by teaching me some avoidance techniques in case of a dangerous situation.

but to respond to the OP, my Master is one of those who expects any female of his to submit to all men. Dominant or vanilla, it really doesn't matter. He feels that women in general should defer to men, so that is the way he has trained me. He has often offered me (specifically the use of my body or domestic services) to male guests as a show of welcome, much the way you'd offer a guest a glass of wine or some other comfort. likewise he has been offered the use of the slaves of his friends or acquaintances. if one is not comfortable with such a thing, a polite refusal is more than adequate, no harm done.

now some have mentioned that there is a difference between service and submission, which is true. one may be expected to serve others but still only submit to their Owner. however i am expected to both serve and submit to others. meaning, if i were in a situation where i was serving someone but let's say they demanded something of me that i know my Master would not approve of...or let's say that my Master was not around and unaware of the situation at all...my place is to submit to that person's will, and later my Master will handle any possible neg. consequences.

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/22/2008 2:25:48 PM   
eyesopened


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Status: offline 		i am polite to everyone.  i naturally have deference toward men.  i cater to all guests.

However, if i remember the way my Master worded it, regarding swapping/sharing:
His Harley - to a brother in a life-or-death circumstance, maybe.
His slave? Never.

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/22/2008 10:06:28 PM   
adoracat


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LordGrey

When I have owned a slave in the past I have instructed my slaves to be POLITE to others, whether sub or dom, and if they are a guest in my home to give basic service such as providing drink, etc. Polite forms of address should be used and a request honored unless it is a request for intimacy or play or would create a conflict with MY orders. ANYTHING else has to come through me.

I do not consider politeness and courtesy toward others to be submitting to them. She would be submitting to my desires as to how I want her to behave.

I would not allow rude treatment of a slave, nor any stepping over the lines of my ownership of her. Those I associate with understand this and it's just not a problem. I have run into the rude and clueless now and again at events and public dungeons and I deal with that when it comes up.

So, no, I don't see a slave as submissive to all and would not take kindly to someone assuming to order my property about with MY say so. There are persons I would allow to play with her, persons well known and liked. A stranger or a periferal aquaintance ? Never. If someone gets in a flap about that, too bad.

Grey


Daddy and TheEngineer definitely agree with these statements, Grey.

hospitality and treating a guest well is one thing,  being offered a bedwarmer for the evening is an entirely different matter entirely.

i have no issue with serving someone a drink, bringing food to the table, hell, i even served my soon-to-be-ex dinner tonight and cut up his steak as he likes it!  but if i dont give myself casually to others...why would i do that even at the behest of my dominant?  it would result in a very unhappy slave, to be sure.

my relationship(s) with my dominant(s) are the foundations to our happiness.  if something happens to rock that foundation out of place, the rest of it goes to hell in a handbasket.

not to mention that TheEngineer has already shown signs of possesiveness...which i find very endearing.

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/23/2008 11:24:20 AM   
clevername2


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Status: offline 		In a situation where I had an understanding placing me in use to a dominant, it would be for them to decide if they wanted me to submit to others as well.

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RE: Sub to one and all? - 5/23/2008 1:39:51 PM   
ThundersCry


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Status: offline 		There are...dungeon sluts...
 
They provide a service to their local community...
 
Talk about a...*calling*....more power to them!

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