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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/24/2005 12:04:46 PM

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I think my main issue with feminization of a male sub is that it reminds me of the idea of being female or feminine as a weakend state, which it is not. I'd be very heisetant to do this to someone if they viewed it as such.
I agree with this, and definitely don't want it associated with being weak or equating being a female to being humiliating. M

I enjoy forced feminization when it's "forced" and actually does get a reaction from the submissive. I'm still trying to get my head around the idea that for a man it is humiliating because feminine = weak. I don't even know if the word is "humiliating" -- I don't know if I consider forced femme to always be "humiliation play."

Humiliation play example: Dog humiliation.
Make the sub eat out of a dog bowl on all fours on the floor. The femdom may say or show the attitude, "You're nothing but a dog, less than a person."

Humiliation play example: Forced Femme
Make the sub wear a tight pair of pink panties. The femdom's attitude is not universally, "You are pathetic, you're a sissy, you're a wussy man" (though some subs or femdoms might like that), but can *also* be "well, don't those panties look tight on you? Look, you're getting hard in them, they turn you on, don't they? They feel good? You like knowing these panties are made to cover a soft, wet pussy?" There is nothing inherently humiliating about the panties and their relationship with women. His embarassment or discomfort may come from his reaction and arousal.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/24/2005 1:17:50 PM

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Speaking only for myself:

I don't need to be forced.
I don't view dressing as a female in any way humiliating.
"Dressed" or not has little effect on the submissive part of me.
Dressing is not something I do for a sexual turn on. I feel more comfortable with myself when dressed; in fact, there are times I've felt extremely uncomfortable at a munch, or the like, when in "boy mode."
If I were comtemplating contacting someone, and the profile indicates an aversion to CD, or she told me that it was not something she was interested in, I would not pursue it any further. It's no different from any other interest that is important to one, and a no-no for another.

Just my $0.02 worth

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/24/2005 5:51:21 PM

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footmistressK: Also I think nude slaves are very humilated and vunerable.

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AAkasha: Humiliation play example: Dog humiliation.
Make the sub eat out of a dog bowl on all fours on the floor. The femdom may say or show the attitude, "You're nothing but a dog, less than a person."

Sorry to sidetrack, but I think I'm missing something on the whole humiliation thing. For example, my submissive stays nude both because for practical reasons (it makes him totally accessable to me aka vulnerable) and for aesthetic reasons (he's so darn fit!), without any intent for me to humiliate him. By the same token, I love puppy play with him as my sweet adorable little puppy, which he does solely for my amusement, without my ever saying or intending to intimate that he's actually "nothing but" or "less than a person."

But then, I may just be doing things wrong.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/24/2005 7:02:45 PM

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I avoided any type of animal play for a long time, because the idea of someone wanting to be nonhuman was disturbing..........

Now that I have gotten to know ponies and puppies, it's a blast, but I would never consider them LESS than human. Just consider how I treat my actual pets!

Francine, doing it wrong too, I guess! :)

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/24/2005 7:20:30 PM

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Let me join the ranks of the ladies who aren't into forcing their boys to cross-dress.

Now that doesn't mean that once in a while I will not have fun humiliating a boy by making him go past his comfort level slightly. I do get a kick out of making a man wear panties, especially under very masculine attire. I don't believe that the humiliating factor is related to being a woman. I think is signifies emasculation rather, something to humble them a little. Or as Aakasha mentioned, embarrass them when they get excited in them.

But the full on cross dress doesn't do nothing much for me.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/24/2005 9:01:07 PM

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I had a slave who would wear my underwear..........he didn't usually wear any, and wearing mine was a reminder that I was out there. What can I say? He needed reminding!

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/25/2005 4:10:33 PM

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I am not sure why the OP thinks that so many are into forced crossdressing. But I am not looking at the profiles.
I am another who is not into this fetish. ALthough I do not mind certain feminzation, and even run classes for feminization, I find that the need for crossdressing or forced crossdressing begins to take over the entire relationship. I can do it, and I don't even mind it as a form of play at times, but it is, too often insisted upon (whining, begging, hinting), and it is the only way a boy gets excited or feels submissive. So I try to avoid it that particular fetish when presented as a need. If I don't, then the fetish is running the relationship. How tiring is that!

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/26/2005 4:01:47 AM

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It surprises me how unpopular it is here. It must be very humiliating for a male sub. so I guess that is the point of it. Forced Feminization must go back centuries & although I'm not sure I'd like it (would I be supposed to?) I love the work featuring it from artists like Montorgueil, Eric Stanton & of course...Sardax!

PS..anyone know how I put my own avatar on here? Doesn't seem to give you the option

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/26/2005 7:26:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sardaxia
It surprises me how unpopular it is here. It must be very humiliating for a male sub. so I guess that is the point of it. Forced Feminization must go back centuries & although I'm not sure I'd like it (would I be supposed to?) I love the work featuring it from artists like Montorgueil, Eric Stanton & of course...Sardax!

As many have pointed out here, there is nothing humiliating fundementally about being a woman. And also, you have to understand that many women, when with a man, want to be with just that, a man. If I want to spank someone in a garter belt, I'll play with a girl ;-)

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ORIGINAL: Sardaxia
PS..anyone know how I put my own avatar on here? Doesn't seem to give you the option

That option was removed. Read here for more details.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/26/2005 1:07:31 PM

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i, for one, would be very humiliated to be forced to cross dress. i would be completely humiliated if others were present. ughhh! i wouldnt know where to turn!

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/27/2005 8:14:26 AM

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Thanks for reply LadyAngelika,

I did not mean that being a female is somehow humiliating, more that not being a man is humiliating to some. I wouldn't walk down the street in public as a woman firstly because I would not want to but if I did the narrow minded people would make me feel like a freak and a total perverted weirdo. Behind closed doors is probably a bit easier but still probably a little humiliating!

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there is nothing humiliating fundementally about being a woman

No, but their might be if you are a man dressed up as a woman.
Ah well here's to the superior gender

women that is

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/27/2005 6:21:22 PM

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Thank you all for your input. I've been in contact with two Mistresses that have been very strict about this and many, many profiles have mentioned it. I for one, am not a sissy. I do not wish to be. My pleasure comes from pleasing a Woman. My (future) Mistress!!! I love Women and perssonally think that WOMAN is the greatest gift of nature. If you want me to "feel" what it is like to be female, I think that is great...if...it pleases you. I will play "dress-up" for you BUT I only wish to please my Mistress!!! However, that being said, I personally gather know thrill from being a woman. My thrill comes from pleasing HER!!!

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/29/2005 4:13:37 PM

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I can't say that I like crossdressing, but I LOVE empathy training because I feel it is important for males to know what a woman has to go through in many respects. The crossdressing act itself is something I am not fond of. Why should something appeal to me that degrades women? The fact that X-dressing is done for humiliation for the most part is a crock. I am a woman, and I am not ashamed or humiliated in being so. That's my view on it.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/29/2005 4:44:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: blueridgesub
i, for one, would be very humiliated to be forced to cross dress. i would be completely humiliated if others were present. ughhh! i wouldnt know where to turn!

You would turn and face the camera, and smile...sweetly.

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ORIGINAL: MistressAkasha
The fact that X-dressing is done for humiliation for the most part is a crock. I am a woman, and I am not ashamed or humiliated in being so

Your point is well taken. But I think the humiliation for some guys has to do with how guys are raised. Our culture threatens boys from an early age that they can't be weak, that they have to measure up to be a man.

For a boy to full short of the mark is to be labelled weak and contemptible - a sissy, not a woman. There is a fair amount of homophobia that gets tied into how guys are raised. That coaches or other male authorities berate their team by calling them "ladies" (and similar remarks) has more to to with sissy/effeminate/homophobic stereotypes rather then seeing women as a lesser status.

I think the humiliation that some guys might feel if they were truly forced to be crossed dressed has to do with this loss of manhood/weak effeminate sissy fear which many guys are raised with.

Of course, some guys want to be "forced" to cross dress. For them, I think, it is a matter of the domme giving them permission to cross a social taboo - that of relaxing in feeling and appearing feminine. For them, I think, crossdressing is a step up but they are afraid to accept responsibility for their desires (and what that might mean about them) so their want to transfer responsibility for crossdressing to their partner.

On the other hand, I may just be spouting utter nonsense (as I do from time to time). If so, I hope others will correct me.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/29/2005 6:55:37 PM

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Of course, some guys want to be "forced" to cross dress. For them, I think, it is a matter of the domme giving them permission to cross a social taboo - that of relaxing in feeling and appearing feminine. For them, I think, crossdressing is a step up but they are afraid to accept responsibility for their desires (and what that might mean about them) so their want to transfer responsibility for crossdressing to their partner.

On the other hand, I may just be spouting utter nonsense (as I do from time to time). If so, I hope others will correct me.

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Your assessment is pretty on target as it has been many other times.

And on occassion it would be fine to engage them, if they weren't so manipulative about obtaining there general goal, which isn't really to serve a dominant woman, but to get their singular need met. This isn't a one size fits every CD, but in the past I've encountered the situation, more times than I care to rememeber, where that was the case. It's just not a turn on for me and as you can see many other women.

Rosa

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/30/2005 3:48:10 AM

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So far, this thread has dealt with the issue of feminization from the submissive's point of view, and with dommes analyzing why men wear woman's clothing. I have done a very unscientific survey of the dominant women who have posted profiles, and found that about 40% of the profiles either list it as an interest, or in the wording of the message, leave the door open. Generally, but not exculsively, I contact dominants that have "forced crossdressing" listed as an interest.

Since this is something that interests me, and something I would like to explore, I naturally bring it up in my conversations with them after we get to know each other a bit. Almost every woman that is serious about feminization as a part of the relationship, have the same reason for it. They tell me that it gives them more of a feeling of power to see a man in women's clothing which they have required him to wear. Rarely, (although not always) the domme wants the sub in full dress. Mostly, from what I've encountered, the domme wants her sub in panties. There are many that want to take that a bit further, and say they require a sub to wear panties, and stockings at all times, and then some that say he'll wear a full set of lingerie at home and several women's pieces under his male clothing at all times. Then, as with any interest, there are those that say "Give your pants, shirts, and shoes away, because you'll never wear them again."

I have also noticed that the vast majority of women that list forced crossdressing as an interest, aslo list several forms of chastity too. This ranges from orgasm denial to wearing a chastity device, and chastity piercing. "My sub or slave will wear what I tell him to, and only get sexual arousal when I permit it." For them it's a very powerful form of domination.

I think, and this is only my opinion, that for those men that enjoy crossdressing, finding a domme with the same interest is vital, and for the women that want a man in women's attire no matter to what degree, they believe that it is a power thing. It's part of a Total Power Exchange to make a man dress in traditional women's clothing to show her he is willing to submit to her in any form she chooses. Many want a man dressed in private frequently, and many want him to serve as her maid in full maid's attire, especially when he also takes over the household duties and chores. Let's put the blame for all the debate where it should go here, and that's with collarme. The choice of wording insures that this topic will be discussed on most ebery board, and in every way imaginable. "Forced Feminization" will bring out the debate of forcing a sub to do as he's told, whereas if it were just listed as "Feminization" or "Crossdressing" without the forced issue, we wouldn't have a whole lot to argue about here.

I don't ever peruse men's profiles on here, but i wonder if any dominant men list in their essay or interests that the female sub that is serving them will wear nothing but work boots, paint covered jeans, and a "Bubweiser" tee shirt for the rest of her life. I wold think that would be just as humiliating for her.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/30/2005 5:21:33 AM

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I have done a very unscientific survey of the dominant women who have posted profiles, and found that about 40% of the profiles either list it as an interest, or in the wording of the message, leave the door open.

It's interesting how the responses from Dommes here (in post), don't come near to reflecting what you've viewed in profiles.

Interesting perspective posted, interstinglyme. Thank for your POV. As I have a strong aversion toward CD activities, I always enjoy learning more about what the draw to it is.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/30/2005 10:14:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: interestinglyme
I have done a very unscientific survey of the dominant women who have posted profiles, and found that about 40% of the profiles either list it as an interest, or in the wording of the message, leave the door open.

It's interesting how the responses from Dommes here (in post), don't come near to reflecting what you've viewed in profiles.

Interesting perspective posted, interstinglyme. Thank for your POV. As I have a strong aversion toward CD activities, I always enjoy learning more about what the draw to it is.

K

Take into consideration the large number of "insincere" profiles that appear on collarme (an issue addressed commonly here) -- ie, either money femdoms or some other type of scam. In those cases, the perspon will fill out a profile that will appeal to the largest number of potential users. Forced feminization is a no-brainer in that case because there are so many subs into it.

If you compare that to the number of femdoms in this thread (which is a more legitimate representation of non-scamming femdoms) you will find the numbers (and view points) much more accurate.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/30/2005 10:42:39 AM

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Also, I think that a very small portion of the people on collarme post in the forums----which is a shame, since this is the best part of the site, IMO!

The "interests" sections are very broad----crossdressing can cover everything from panties to full-out transformation, yet there is only one box to check.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/30/2005 1:02:20 PM

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As most ppl here, I don"t see what's humiliating by being dressed up as a woman. Younger, I hang out with goth: men there quite often dressed up as (goth) women: stockings, skirts, make up... Why? Mainly because it attracted girls (yes goth is for 16/20 years old)...

The point here is crossdressing is context dependent. Whether it is or not humiliating will I think depends on how the sub looks crossdressed and what does the dom wants: it can be really beautiful or totally ugly... In one case this is sublimating one self to another genre or for the other case plainly silly and so humiliating.

The same can be said about a one shot cross dressing or this becoming a usual ritual (let's say every week end for all the week ends).

I feel this is as a lot of things in this lifestyle: there are a 100 ways to live it from sane to totally damaging... The same for why a dom would like it.

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