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ORIGINAL: Vaughner


You have the right to Freedom of Speach
You have the right to Bear Arms
You have the right to refuse quartering of troops in peacetime.
You have the right to protection against unreasonable search and seizure.
You have many rights, but the right to never be offended is not one of them.

If someone wants to fly the flag because it means something to them, that is their business.  If you don't like it avert your eyes.

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So by that reasoning wearing a Malcolm-X shirt while preaching how evil the white man is makes it a racist symbol as well?
Just want to make sure we're on the same page.

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

~FR~

I havent read through this entire thread, nor am I inclined to.  But I did want to point out (probably not for the first time) that the city of Tampa is NOT responsible for this flag except for the issuance of permits.  The Sons of Confederate Veterans is the group who have erected the flag.

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

It's all made up by guilty white leebrils!

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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'd need the actual link to the page you're talking about to be sure but...

I'd be fine with displaying the historical Battle Flag of the Army of Virginia, think the "rebel" flag except square, or the real Stars and Bars, here or one of the real CSA flags shown below it.

I will never be fine with the so called "rebel" flag since it was never part of the CSA or its armies. It exists exclusively as a symbol of a racist south that it is long past time to move beyond.

gawd thank goodness i never claim to be a rocket scientist.... [:o]

heres_the_link

edited to add....i see they were the same links....can you say herbal therapy watching the pool fill up with water?  i can[:D]

anyhow, i hi-lited the part of that which i dont get.  if im waving a flag screaming kill blackie or the jews or the fat redheads, then you can consider me as representing the racist south.

but if i have it on my tag or a sticker on my truck (which is red and it would look WAY cooler than the general lee ever did with one)....anyhow, by seeing it displayed in that way, or on the back of a motorcycle, or a truck, consider that it has a different meaning to me, its a reminder of where *I* come from. 

i am from georgia, and other than when the klan used to set up at the entrance to the fair and yeehaw like idiots and yelland try to hand out pamplets(which very few folks wanted, they were more like a free side show, kinda like the bearded lady or something), ive never seen it displayed by anyone who hates anyone.

i wont try to change anyones mind about how they feel....ill let the politicians decide if it can be flown where ever, but i wont apologize for the fact seeing it and hearing dixie take mt to a warm safe place (sorry axl)

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ORIGINAL: Vaughner

Not sure where some of the information is coming from however 2 things.
The Confederate Flag as we think of it today is not the "Stars and Bars" this term refers to the original flag which too closely resembled the flag of the union.
"The Stainless Banner" is the flag we think of today and it was adopted by the Confederacy in 1863, and used on Stonewall Jackson's casket.

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The idea that the flag is racist pissess me off and shows how uneducated some people are.  If you say the flag is racist you are clearly making a reference to slavery.  The war was about State's Rights, and slavery was only one of numerous issues that lead up to the conflict.  Lincoln himself said that he would be willing to allow slavery to continue if it meant holding the Union together.  The Emancipation Procolomation was not made to free the slaves, it was to try to get them to rebel in the South weakening those states and making the war easier for the Union.

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The Stainless Banner is a matter of heritage, and pride for those who have a lineage tracing to what it represented.

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any minority benefits from the ACLU.

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You have the right to Freedom of Speach
You have the right to Bear Arms
You have the right to refuse quartering of troops in peacetime.
You have the right to protection against unreasonable search and seizure.
You have many rights, but the right to never be offended is not one of them.

If someone wants to fly the flag because it means something to them, that is their business.  If you don't like it avert your eyes.

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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne

interesting points Ken

i know wikipedia isnt known for being totally accurate-but this page seemed to be complete and showed many versions of what i consider to be the confederate flag.   the designs changed somewhat but almost all incorporated the x with the stars, which is the part seeming to piss so many off.  there is no pic on the op article that i could see....so my question is....would any version of this flag, with the x and stars, be acceptable to you?

im really trying to see the other side here........cause as a chickie from the shout, i honestly just do not get it.

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

Stone Mountain is indeed a hotbed of Klan activity, just like Cobb County (where I live) has a septic tankload of Dominionists.

For those that claim it's a reminder of their "roots" <guffaw> I have one thing to say:
J.B.Stoner

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ORIGINAL: Vaughner

Ken before you criticize my research why don't you do some yourself into what was laid on Stonewall Jackson's casket?

And if you want to use that freedom of speach to call them ingorant racists more power to you.  I'm not saying I like or agree with them, but what annoys me more are those who try to inhibit them. 

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ORIGINAL: Vaughner

Okay I'll admit my eye-sight is not the best in the world but besides the orientation of the flag itself I am not seeing much of a difference.  However if that orientation is supposed to have some significance I am not aware of please let me know.