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SubRefuge -> RE: Tampa to erect a huge Confederate flag (6/2/2008 8:55:39 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd
that is actualy incorrect... the cross was not the symbol of the Inquistion.
Umm...you are saying the Catholic church didn't use the cross as their symbol in the Inquisition?
The Spanish Inquisition was used for both political and religious reasons. Spain is a nation-state that was born out of religious struggle between numerous different belief systems including Catholicism, Islam, Protestantism and Judaism. Following the Crusades and the Reconquest of Spain by the Christian Spaniards the leaders of Spain needed a way to unify the country into a strong nation. Ferdinand and Isabella chose Catholicism to unite Spain and in 1478 asked permission of the pope to begin the Spanish Inquisition to purify the people of Spain. They began by driving out Jews, Protestants and other non-believers.
In 1483 Tomas de Torquemada became the inquisitor-general for most of Spain. He was responsible for establishing the rules of inquisitorial procedure and creating branches of the Inquisition in various cities. He remained the leader of the Spanish Inquisition for fifteen years and is believed to be responsible for the execution of around 2,000 Spaniards.
The Inquisition was run procedurally by the inquisitor-general who established local tribunals of the Inquisition. Accused heretics were identified by the general population and brought before the tribunal. The were given a chance to confess their heresy against the Catholic Church and were also encouraged to indict other heretics. If they admitted their wrongs and turned in other aggressors against the church they were either released or sentenced to a prison penalty. If they would not admit their heresy or indict others the accused were publicly introduced in a large ceremony before they were publicly killed or sentenced to a life in prison. Around the 1540s the Spanish Inquisition turned its fire on the Protestants in Spain in an attempt to further unify the nation. The Spanish Inquisition's reign of terror was finally suppressed in 1834.
http://www.thenagain.info/webchron/WestEurope/SpanInqui.html
The cross as a Christian symbol or "seal" came into use at least as early as the second century (see "Apost. Const." iii. 17; Epistle of Barnabas, xi.-xii.; Justin, "Apologia," i. 55-60; "Dial. cum Tryph." 85-97); and the marking of a cross upon the forehead and the chest was regarded as a talisman against the powers of demons (Tertullian, "De Corona," iii.; Cyprian, "Testimonies," xi. 21–22; Lactantius, "Divinæ Institutiones," iv. 27, and elsewhere). Accordingly the Christian Fathers had to defend themselves, as early as the second century, against the charge of being worshipers of the cross, as may be learned from Tertullian, "Apologia," xii., xvii., and Minucius Felix, "Octavius," xxix. Christians used to swear by the power of the cross (see Apocalypse of Mary, viii., in James, "Texts and Studies," iii. 118).
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as for the Crusades.. well that was this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Crusaders.gif not a simple cross alone. Nothing to be feared unless you were a Muslim.
Well, if it is on Wikipedia, it MUST be true! Once again, since Christianity was driving the Crusades ANY cross probably brought fear to the middle eastern people. And once again, your last comment is telling "Nothing to be feared unless you were a Muslim. " Spoken like a true Christian.
I guess Muslims don't count? It doesn't matter if they were raped, maimed and killed by Christians because "God was on their side"? Nice thinking.
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Crosses for the most part in the worlds view mean hope, and Christ.
Crosses are not seen to be an evil or negative symbol...
Gwyn
Only to Christians is this a positive symbol.
To me, a Christian cross indicates closed minded thinking by people who can't think for themselves and need to be told what to think.
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