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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/6/2008 6:11:56 AM   
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Homeopathic medicine is used to treat homeosexuals

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Thanks for the laugh, Bubba.
 
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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/6/2008 7:42:19 AM   
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Al, your stance is inaccurate as I have not said anything of the sort.  The only thing I disagreed with was that it is a placebo - which by definition it is not.

The op asked for opinions.  Not a definition.  I gave her my opinion based on personal experience and medical advice given to me, not sometimes vitriolic biased opinion on if it is good or not, right or wrong as you have given as 'a definition'.  Doesn't matter what CAM you go with, consult a doctor.

Your immature behaviour at resorting to which is essentially name calling, doesn't strengthen your position and is just tit for tat and as for the font, you seem to cope perfectly elsewhere.  Just because I called out the inappropriate use of the site you cited, you choose to take issue with me.  Fine, your choice.  Have a great weekend.

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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/6/2008 8:19:05 AM   
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And I prefer evidence-based medicine rather than anecdotes and hearsay.
 
If there are any well-designed double-blind studies with a sizeable population, they should be easy to find. One would think that the homeopaths would be parading them in the streets. So, all you advocates, please show them to me.



How do you see Chinese Traditional Medicine? I'm just curious. Okay I'm really curious!

Do you mean the practice of grinding up rhinoceros horns so Chinese men can make their little wee-wees hard? That kind of Traditional Chinese medicine? Hahahaha

What "system" of "medicine" something is is not relevant. If something is efficacious, then that should be able to be demonstrated with appropriately designed studies.



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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/6/2008 9:40:31 AM   
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Sorry about causing confusion.  i was looking for additional treatments for insomnia, not an eye doctor, so it'd be a DO, not an OD.
 
pinksugarsub


Have you tried melatonin? 

i had a good experience with a homeopathic doctor. When my daughter was born she developed an eye infection. i took her to the doctors, who treated her, but the infection wasnt going away.  i lost faith in their credibility when one said to me she got the infection from me by coming through the bith canal. i informed him she was a c-section. 

i sought other alternatives and am very glad i did. The homeopathic doctor prescribed her belladona drops under the tongue and her infection was gone in under a week and her eyes was clear as crystal.  3 Pediatricians (one an eye specialist), several treatments which lead no where (in fact i think they made the eye worse) versus 1 Homeopath with one remedy and her eye was clear in less than a week. i'd say they have some contributions to make.  i might not go to one if i had cancer but i do believe they help people and i know they helped my daughter

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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/6/2008 7:10:11 PM   
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Al, your stance is inaccurate as I have not said anything of the sort.  The only thing I disagreed with was that it is a placebo - which by definition it is not.

The op asked for opinions.  Not a definition.  I gave her my opinion based on personal experience and medical advice given to me, not sometimes vitriolic biased opinion on if it is good or not, right or wrong as you have given as 'a definition'.  Doesn't matter what CAM you go with, consult a doctor.

Your immature behaviour at resorting to which is essentially name calling, doesn't strengthen your position and is just tit for tat and as for the font, you seem to cope perfectly elsewhere.  Just because I called out the inappropriate use of the site you cited, you choose to take issue with me.  Fine, your choice.  Have a great weekend.

the.dark.



I don't know why you are allergic to the truth.  The OP clearly asked what homeopathy meant..i.e. for definitions...you are wrong to say it did not..

You repeatedly asserted that psychiatrists had no training as medical doctors...you were wrong , and are now wrong to claim that you knew that all along.

The article I cited gave the definition and history of homeopathy from the homeopaths themselves...you are wrong to say otherwise.

You are well aware that many of those who have quoted you have had their font enlarged by the formatting.. you are being untruthful to say otherwise.

Nor have I called you any names... you are not telling the truth with that one either.

You fabricated a misleading quote by editing out relevant words to claim that an article had told people it was perfectly safe to take hazardous substances, when in fact it had already qualified the homeopath's own definition as meeting the chemical requirement to be pure water...pure water is safe.
And it was pure water under discussion when you brought in the anecdote about anaphylactic shock and doctor's warnings... more things that are simply impossible to be true.

So before you run away making false allegations of being the victim of abuse, where is a single relevant response from you to the questions asked about the cited facts on homeopathy?

I'll settle for your explication of the foundations of the practice, either the 'Law of Infinitesimals', 'constitutional remedy/type', or the 'molecular memory' rules.

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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/6/2008 7:19:12 PM   
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i have been diagnosed by doctors as having progressive sarcoidosis in stage 3+ of 4 and have looked at my lung scans and they are scarred beyond repair

they are suggesting i have a double lung tranplant and potential for a heart transplant at the same time they will know when they go in during the tranplant and do what they have to at that time

this will be a 12" hour operation where they will make an incision under the left armpit over to the right armpit then an incision from the top down to who knows where and then crack open m chest bone like a clam (talk about trauma to the body)

i have not gotten any info from any homeopathic people if they would be able to get the sarcoidosis under remission and get me off of 24/7 liquid oxygen

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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/6/2008 9:23:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears

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ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub

Sorry about causing confusion.  i was looking for additional treatments for insomnia, not an eye doctor, so it'd be a DO, not an OD.
 
pinksugarsub


Have you tried melatonin? 

i had a good experience with a homeopathic doctor. When my daughter was born she developed an eye infection. i took her to the doctors, who treated her, but the infection wasnt going away.  i lost faith in their credibility when one said to me she got the infection from me by coming through the bith canal. i informed him she was a c-section. 

i sought other alternatives and am very glad i did. The homeopathic doctor prescribed her belladona drops under the tongue and her infection was gone in under a week and her eyes was clear as crystal.  3 Pediatricians (one an eye specialist), several treatments which lead no where (in fact i think they made the eye worse) versus 1 Homeopath with one remedy and her eye was clear in less than a week. i'd say they have some contributions to make.  i might not go to one if i had cancer but i do believe they help people and i know they helped my daughter


Well, this is the sort of thing that keeps the conversations going round and round...

There is no doubt that mainstream medicine screws up, and plenty...differing even within their ranks as to who knows how to cure what, and who is a quack.  Linus Pauling was a multiple Nobel prize winner, and he was ostracized and vilified for embracing Vitamin C's benefits later in life...benefits that are now considered good common sense.

And there is no doubt that many controversial and even disproven therapies have reports of successes.

The thing is, that 'science' as commonly understood, benefits from controversies, failures, questioning, and discarding theories in the long run... an inexorable march, not toward perfection, but toward a better way of doing things than the previous century, or the one before that, and so on. So polio rates go down, infant mortality goes down, lifespans go up, survivability goes up.
The old joke about 'practicing' medicine has more than a grain of truth in it.

Kuhn gives a pretty good explanation of the process.


Alternative/complementary/traditional/folk/mystical/paranormal therapies on the other hand, tend to share a different quality...the way things purportedly worked when they were first codified is usually the way they purportedly work today...

The 'universal life force', or 'Qi', or the 'law of infinitesmals', or 'Orgone', or 'engrams', or what have you, is the be all and end all answer... and one that never lets you pay attention to that little man behind the curtain.   Just accept the results and the cool sounding jargon, and let the next patient in, please.



Which is why you will even find the occasional bit of usefulness from the alternative side making its way over to the scientific side, as science adapts and refines its abilities, and provides explanations for things previously only explained by the paranormal.


But you won't find that process working too well in reverse...because the supertitious explanations don't want revising.



So my first toss into the discard file is anything that claims a universal mechanism which never needs to be updated, and which fails to survive critical analysis or scientific testing.  

Doesn't mean that some people didn't get better... but to me it means they don't really know why they got better, and are just happy to have a convenient label to hang in place of the 'why?'

And I'm just too much of an iconoclast to settle for things being that easy... 




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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/7/2008 3:04:04 AM   
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I don't know why you are allergic to the truth.  The OP clearly asked what homeopathy meant..i.e. for definitions...you are wrong to say it did not..


She asked for opinions.  What followed was her misunderstanding of what homeopathy was.

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You repeatedly asserted that psychiatrists had no training as medical doctors...you were wrong , and are now wrong to claim that you knew that all along.


I did not.  I was speaking about a specific person you cited whos version of 'truth' had been legally investigated.  I stated I would not trust a doctor or anyone who did not specialise in an area he was speaking about, without contacting my own doctor and gaining knowledge as they know what medication I may be on already.

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The article I cited gave the definition and history of homeopathy from the homeopaths themselves...you are wrong to say otherwise.


I did not say that either.  I stated that the site you used was questionable and that it was not a help to your cause.

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You are well aware that many of those who have quoted you have had their font enlarged by the formatting.. you are being untruthful to say otherwise.


I did not say that either.  My you are good at trying to twist words.  Bravo.

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Nor have I called you any names... you are not telling the truth with that one either.


I said that what you did essentially comes down to name calling yes. And it does. Again, you are wrong.

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You fabricated a misleading quote by editing out relevant words to claim that an article had told people it was perfectly safe to take hazardous substances, when in fact it had already qualified the homeopath's own definition as meeting the chemical requirement to be pure water...pure water is safe.


This is really tireome, but again I did not.  I used it, irregardless of the site or reasons behind it and I said the line was dangerous due to my personal experience.

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And it was pure water under discussion when you brought in the anecdote about anaphylactic shock and doctor's warnings... more things that are simply impossible to be true.


Your choice to believe or not.  It occured and as personal opinions were asked for - I gave.  And again with the name calling by association which only supports the above.

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So before you run away making false allegations of being the victim of abuse, where is a single relevant response from you to the questions asked about the cited facts on homeopathy?


Abuse? Again, you let your imagination run wild and misrepresent my words yet again. I have never claimed you abused.  The notion is quite absurd.  Name calling - for me - is not abusive, simply childish.  Run? No.  I responded to the OPs question in the very first post, a cited fact of homeopathy.  And I also disagreed that it is not a placebo by definition.  You and others may insist it has placebo like effects, but it is not one - by definition.

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I'll settle for your explication of the foundations of the practice, either the 'Law of Infinitesimals', 'constitutional remedy/type', or the 'molecular memory' rules.


Then you will be waiting a very long time, because I have no wish to play games.  So please do insist I cannot and that I must be telling 'untruths' because I will neither confirm nor deny either way - have at it.  Your behaviour is childish and pointless for the OP and others reading this thread - well other than the drama lovers.  The only reason I entertained the notion of answering you is to refute your (possible) misunderstandings because you became so enamoured by my posts and your obvious and blatent attempt to take words and make them something else.  I say possible, either that or you are chosing to lie about my posts, which I do hope is not the case for that would be disappointing to some.
 
I gave a personal opinion on an experience which was medically attributed to homeopathic medicine (as asked for).  Whether one choses to believe it or not, is down to the person.  I never claimed to be an expert, I did not try to 'wow'people with complicated words which might confuse them, nor make biased claims. I stated this was my personal opinion and I stated I was not an advocate of homeopathic medication.  I stated that I would advise people should speak to their doctor before taking any kind of 'medication'.
 
I stated your source would not hold up well due to the author and site being questionable and you have taken exception and it is why this is continuing to mislead and disrupt this thread.  I am not willing to make this thread all about you and myself, whatever your wish may be, so I do apologise to the OP if this has become the case for her.
 
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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/7/2008 4:19:27 AM   
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if i may..
A Psychiatrist is a medical doctor who specializes in the study of the brain.

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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/7/2008 5:19:19 AM   
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I stated your source would not hold up well due to the author and site being questionable and you have taken exception and it is why this is continuing to mislead and disrupt this thread.


None of which is relevant to the truth, which is that I cited the facts about homeopathy, including the accurately portrayed history and tenets of the homeopathy community itself.
Your disingenuous hijacking attempts to keep those from being discussed are a matter of record, as are your other posts you are now trying to disavow or project onto others.




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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/7/2008 10:56:36 AM   
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Have a good weekend Al.  I wish you well.
 
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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 6/18/2008 5:40:57 PM   
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OK, I realize I'm super late on this one, but I had to throw my 2 cents in here.
First off homeopathy=total bullshit.Discuss if you must, but, yea, its a scam.
And no, I'm not gonna site sources, we all have the internet here.
And not to get into a semantic dungfest, but.....
A placebo is a treatment given with the understanding that:
1. it is inert, i.e.it isn't a drug...these are typically used in medical trials of new drugs.
B. it can also be a known drug given with the knowledge that said drug will have no measurable effect on the symptoms at hand, but may have a positive psychological effect on the patient, and perhaps ameliorate symptoms, which may be psychosomatic.

Scenario "B" above is referred to as "the placebo effect"

Any positive effects attributable to homeopathic "medication" is a result of the placebo effect.

OK, so maybe it was a quarters worth.

edit: had to remove a grammar crime

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RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? - 7/6/2008 4:25:46 PM   
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Homeopathic medicine has been around since the beginning of time. In the eastern part of the world it is still primary in many places, here in the western world we are so focused on science that if we dont see it in a test tube or on a lab print out we dont do it.

Homeopathy is simply about natural medicine. Using natural plants that have been used for hundreds or thousands of years to help solve issues, rather than some chemical created in a lab. Along with the homeopaths, who are well studied and most devote their life to the research and learning, they work side by side with accupressurists, chiropractors and other "alternative healers". They want communication, they want to know how you feel and what else you are doing. Just because something worked for your coworker doesnt mean that it is going to work for you and vice versa, we are all different with different bodies and different genetic makeups.

Where do you think the idea of flat ginger ale for stomach aches came from, or lavendar scent to relax you for sleep. Those came from that. Ginger tea, and ginger syrup (which is in ginger ale) are recommended because ginger calms your stomach. You used to be able to buy cola syrup in the pharmacy.  Lavendar promotes relaxation. Several women have mentioned in various threads using Vitex to help regulate their periods, vitex is  from the chasteberry, another plant. All this aromatherapy stuff that is so popular .... yup, came from Homeopathic medicine.

Along with the hundreds of years of use, and various people who have been healed when traditional doctors gave up on them, many health insurances, big companies cover it. In many cases even suggest or support it. The FDA does not regulate the whole ingredients, any more than they regulate vegetables, because they are plants, not created drugs. They will do an investigation if there is a problem, like they are doing with this salmonella outbreak. They also do regulate the "composite" pills, because they are not natural and created in a lab.

Dont be stuck on the labels. You want to know their experience ask around for recommendations, just like you would for any other experienced specialist you hire.. Some old asian guy, with no degrees who has been doing this for years might be better than some young guy with a suit and tie in a big fancy office. If you cant find any recommedations, call an accupressure or accupuncture place, they usually know. Sometimes even a chiropractor.

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