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pinksugarsub -> What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/3/2008 8:07:25 AM)
What is homeopathic medicine mean? Is that what an 'OD' practices? Or is it just self-medicating with vitamins and herbs? i do realise there are search engines but i'm interested in the opinions of real people. Thanks. pinksugarsub

Alumbrado -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/3/2008 4:42:18 PM)
In America, a modern osteopath is someone who completed medical school and added extra work on nutrition,or complementary treatments, and is licensed as a physician. They are ususally designated D.O. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4683 In other countries they may not have the same level of training or credentials. An O.D. is an optometrist. Neither of them should be wasting anyone's time with the hoaxes compiled under the label of 'homeopathy'. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html

thornhappy -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/3/2008 5:58:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub What is homeopathic medicine mean? Is that what an 'OD' practices? Or is it just self-medicating with vitamins and herbs? i do realise there are search engines but i'm interested in the opinions of real people. Thanks. pinksugarsub Homeopathy works only by the placebo effect. My family doc's an osteopath; he's a bit less prone to dive for meds, and although it may just be him, needs to be a bit quicker on recommending specialists. (Twice I spent farting around with a disorder way too long where the only solution was surgery.) thornhappy

Alumbrado -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/3/2008 6:08:11 PM)
Heh...had just the opposite experience... a D.O. saved my life after 4 primary care physicians in a row had almost killed me by prescribing whatever was on TV that week, and farming me out for every specialist in the catalog, none of which had anything to do with my actual ailment. It was the D.O. that listened to everything I was describing, and ordered up the appropriate test, instead of cutting me off after 20 words with 'Mmmhmm...well, why don't we try you on this...'

pinksugarsub -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/3/2008 9:33:41 PM)
Humm; i wonder if my crappy insurance would cover a visit to a DO? Thanks for the information P/pl. pinksugarsub

RCdc -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 3:31:40 AM)
I'm not of the agreement that it is a placebo. Placebos are given and cause no effects on anyone. Administering homeopathic medicine is done because it does have effects. It is a 'like for like' treatment - in other words you take something that can in normal circustances cause symptoms of the illness - hence it's name - roughly meaning 'like disease'. It would be ill advised to tell people its a placebo, or take homeopathic without knowing this because it has potential to be dangerous. If you want a comparrison - if very vague - it supposedly stimulates the body to 'heal itself' in the same way vaccine works. Like I said - it is vague but of the similar thought. In both cases, the body is protecting itself. I would not recommend taking homeopathic remedies blindly and not consulting your doctor, even if you have a homeopathic consultant. Some homeopathic and even some aromatherapy remedies should not be taken by pregnant women. I would recommend taking them alongside conventional treatment, unless otherwise directed by a MD BECAUSE they can interfere - again, showing they aren't a placebo. In the UK you can get some homeopathy treatment on the NHS but I can't speak for other countries. It really depends on what you want to use it for pinkie. edit- I am adding this on edit because I should have mentioned this - an DO practises Osteopathic medicine, which is not the same as homeopathic medicine. And an od, is an eye doctor as AL said, so it might help if you were specific on what condition you might have. the.dark.

sirsholly -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 3:48:28 AM)
it is a practice that scares the poop out of the pharmacutical companies, imho. Take one homeopathic cure for a headache...placing a lemon rind on ones forehead (never tried it and am clueless if it really works). If this did work the sales of lemons would skyrocket and the sales of Tylenol/Advil would decrease...hurting the pharmacutical companies in a big way.

camille65 -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 3:51:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub Humm; i wonder if my crappy insurance would cover a visit to a DO? Thanks for the information P/pl. pinksugarsub A DO is a medical doctor with a medical degree. Doctor of osteopathy. Not someone practicing homeopathy although they may combine it with regular treatment just like any other doctor.Maybe you should Google it?

RCdc -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 4:02:03 AM)
Hi AL I am not sure by reading both your posts what side of the fence you stand regarding homeopathic treatments, but I did want to add that quackwatch isn't a good source. The person who runs it claims to be an MD, but has never studied anything other than psych. Give him credit, he is good at exposing frauds, but to make sweeping statements like he does without having any hands on experience makes the websites general information pretty lame. the.dark.

Alumbrado -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 5:04:07 AM)
I have problems with some of the things Barrett says and does, but he is a retired MD, not 'claims to be', (An MD would be the requirement for any US psychiatrist). And that is a distraction from the fact that homeopathy is a complete fraud. It's 'rules' are nonsensical, and simply cannot work as it claims.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 5:18:20 AM)
Homeopathy is complete bullshit.

windchymes -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 5:30:05 AM)
An MD is someone who graduated from an accredited medical school, after four years of undergraduate school. A DO graduated from an accredited school of osteopathic medicine, after four years of undergrad. Osteopathic medicine treats the body as a whole and takes a "holistic" approach to medicine (not homeopathic, it's an entirely different animal), whereas an MD tends to treat symptoms. I personally prefer the DO's, but I've worked with and been a patient of some excellent MD's, too. I'll probably get bitch-slapped by someone for saying this, but it's been my PERSONAL experience that the DO's, the one's I've known personally, have more down-to-earth personalities, while the MD's have the egos and the God-complexes. Once again, that's just MY experience. I've studied homeopathic medicine a very little bit, and I won't even try to explain it in depth, but it's an interesting approach, and used with great success more so in Europe. Psychiatry is a branch of medicine just like cardiology, gastroenterology, gynecology, pathology, radiology. etc.

RCdc -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 5:48:27 AM)
AL Please do not think I advocate all homeopathic practitioners are right, nor that homeopathic is the only medical source there is. I do however question the source you cited and the mans credentials, just like any wise person would. I don't want to be pedantic, but Barrett has made many claims. He claimed to be an MD. Fact is, his qualifications were for psychiatry which he had to admit in court in 2005 that he had failed the certification exam so was not Medical Board Certified - he has never studied nutrition or any other related medical practise which one would assume someone would have had to be able to make the claims he does. He has failed to admit that he has links and affiliations to the FDA and the FTC to name a couple which again he had to admit in court. the.dark.

johntom571 -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 6:36:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado In America, a modern osteopath is someone who completed medical school and added extra work on nutrition,or complementary treatments, and is licensed as a physician. They are ususally designated D.O. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4683 In other countries they may not have the same level of training or credentials. An O.D. is an optometrist. Neither of them should be wasting anyone's time with the hoaxes compiled under the label of 'homeopathy'. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html Quackwatch is the brain (pardon me, wrong end) BUTT child of the American Medical Association Committe on Quackery, which was ordered disbanded after being found in contempt of the Sherman's Antitrust.act in the 1980's. It has recently been forced into bankrupcty by court ordered judgements against it when it tried to take alternative practitioners to task. It now operates out of Barrett's basement, with the aid of a few malcontents, failed chiropractors, media diletantes and self-appointed "experts" on complimentary and alternative medicine "hoaxes". Its adepts have a quite evanligcal fervour about their beliefs, and are known to posts about it in the strangest places. JT

sub4hire -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 8:34:05 AM)
Pink, as Holly stated its the drug companies that want people to frown upon homeopathic meds. Doctors as well, because the RX companies fill their pockets with cash. If you can find a practicioner I'd definately use them. They may be able to give you relief. Of course the bug bucks aren't spent on the easy tasks of helping people so you aren't going to find any studies to back up any meds a homeopath tells you to take.

Alumbrado -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 4:44:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark AL Please do not think I advocate all homeopathic practitioners are right, nor that homeopathic is the only medical source there is. I do however question the source you cited and the mans credentials, just like any wise person would. I don't want to be pedantic, but Barrett has made many claims. He claimed to be an MD. Fact is, his qualifications were for psychiatry which he had to admit in court in 2005 that he had failed the certification exam so was not Medical Board Certified - he has never studied nutrition or any other related medical practise which one would assume someone would have had to be able to make the claims he does. He has failed to admit that he has links and affiliations to the FDA and the FTC to name a couple which again he had to admit in court. the.dark. The fact that you don't understand that an MD is required to practice psychiatry pretty much disqualifies you as a source of reliable information on medical matters. Barret is apparently a retired MD, whose practice was psychiatry, and of course when he retired he 'lost' his license...just like anyone else who has no reason to keep one active...they aren't for life you know...or maybe you don't. Ditto for not understanding the difference between failing to get board certified (the highest level of achievement, and something that not all physicians get), and failing one's boards to become a doctor...two entirely different things. But that's OK, you don't have to know anything about the medical profession, and you don't have to agree with everything Barrett says or does... I disagree with him on a couple of points myself, and have exchanged barbed letters with him to that end. I did cite his link, because it correctly portrays homeopathy... The fact that Barret agrees that homeopaths are quacks does nothing to add credit to their fakery. And after all the mis-direction about Barret, homeopathy is still a total hoax, fraud, scam, whatever you want to call it... anyone who believes in those 'rules' has tossed their capacity for critical analysis and common sense out the window. Look at the JREF commentaries on the matter.

thornhappy -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 5:50:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark Hi AL I am not sure by reading both your posts what side of the fence you stand regarding homeopathic treatments, but I did want to add that quackwatch isn't a good source. The person who runs it claims to be an MD, but has never studied anything other than psych. Give him credit, he is good at exposing frauds, but to make sweeping statements like he does without having any hands on experience makes the websites general information pretty lame. the.dark. However, no homeopathic medicines have ever passed a double-blind trial. thornhappy

Alumbrado -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 5:51:34 PM)
Or collected the JREF million (although IIRC a certain 'Dr. Mas' claims he has...[8\|] )

RCdc -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 11:51:05 PM)
AL I do know those things. I still fail to see how a psych doctor with no background in nutrition or any other form of medical knowledge relevant to the issue can make the claims he does. Apart from the fact that the site itself is pretty much fucked, you have to put those all into perspective and wonder what exactly makes that site 'right'. Again I am NOT claiming anything - I just think that was a bad site to use as a tool. At least my position of possibility and not dismissing something offhand. As I said,I do not dismiss homeopathic medicine and I do believe it can be of assistance for some people, just as pharmacutical drugs are beneficial to others. Be careful when combining the two and don't be blinded by the possibility of only one. the.dark.

RCdc -> RE: What is Homeopathic Medicine? (6/4/2008 11:53:18 PM)
True or not, that still does not make them a placebo and to make the suggestion is dangerous and misleading. the.dark.

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