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CalifChick -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/5/2008 11:11:51 PM)
If anybody is still interested in the subject of the OP, the local news tonight had a piece on it. The mom and son had an interview with Senator Diane Feinstein today. Current plans include Feinstein introducing a bill to keep them in the US, and they are trying to delay the deportation date of June 20 to allow for more time to work things out. However, Feinstein's stance is that these sorts of bills "rarely pass." The father remains in a detention center awaiting deportation. Should they be deported, the mother has "no real chance" of returning to the US. For the son to return, he has to prove that he can pay his college tuition. Cali

popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/5/2008 11:42:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CalifChick If anybody is still interested in the subject of the OP, the local news tonight had a piece on it. The mom and son had an interview with Senator Diane Feinstein today. Current plans include Feinstein introducing a bill to keep them in the US, and they are trying to delay the deportation date of June 20 to allow for more time to work things out. However, Feinstein's stance is that these sorts of bills "rarely pass." The father remains in a detention center awaiting deportation. Should they be deported, the mother has "no real chance" of returning to the US. For the son to return, he has to prove that he can pay his college tuition. Cali Armenia or Bust!"

kittinSol -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 5:22:44 AM)
Popeye, I know you're trying to be funny, but your cheerleading is getting tired.

cjan -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 5:30:16 AM)
pictures popeye in chearleader's garb [image]http://www.collarchat.com/upfiles/smiley/cheering.gif[/image] [image]http://www.collarchat.com/upfiles/smiley/gaah.gif[/image] There goes my morning wood ...THANKS, kittin ! [image]http://www.collarchat.com/upfiles/smiley/pc.gif[/image] grumbles

kittinSol -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 5:38:22 AM)
Sorry - cheerleading was the best verb I could think of. I had no idea it would have such a vivid repercussion on your imaginary world [&:] . But in all honesty, this whole "yay, a young kid is being deported to a country he doesn't know, I'm happy" is sickening.

Aynne -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 5:45:30 AM)
5,985,435,000? [8\|] quote]ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Capitalism is the order of things. I just knew you were going to say that ROFL!!! How many times have you said "that is the order of things", in your estimation :-) ?

boytoy4female -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 5:50:23 AM)
Isn't it interesting that the arguments for allowing illegal immigration to continue are the same as the arguments that were made in support of slavery.

stella41b -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 5:50:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Sorry - cheerleading was the best verb I could think of. I had no idea it would have such a vivid repercussion on your imaginary world [&:] . But in all honesty, this whole "yay, a young kid is being deported to a country he doesn't know, I'm happy" is sickening. Exactly. I'm just curious as to how these people shouting 'yay' would fare in the middle of Yerevan if they were sent there without any choice - to people who speak in a langauge they don't fluently understand, to live in a society and culture which they've only heard about not to mention the problems with the electricity and water supplies, very basic or no healthcare, a corrupt police force, and various social problems such as poverty and crime, which includes organized crime on a level you don't come across in the West. Doesn't take much to try and see things from a different perspective, just a little imagination. And I speak from having actually been to Yerevan. Years ago admittedly, and I can say with a bit of conviction that the conditions there are probably not comparable to what you would find in the States.

stella41b -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 6:01:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: boytoy4female Isn't it interesting that the arguments for allowing illegal immigration to continue are the same as the arguments that were made in support of slavery. Illegal immigration? This I guess is presumed. I was under the impression that we were talking about a family who had fled Armenia and who were seeking asylum. The simple fact that they appeared to have got in suggests to me very strongly that asylum was granted. Therefore I would also assume that we're talking here about deportation as a result of repatriation and not the deportation of someone as a result of them travelling to the US by choice trying to circumvent US immigration or entry requirements. Therefore I see a difference between the forced repatriation of someone admitted to the US on asylum (which I assume this thread is about) and illegal immigration, which to me is a completely different topic.

kittinSol -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 6:04:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stella41b Therefore I see a difference between the forced repatriation of someone admitted to the US on asylum (which I assume this thread is about) and illegal immigration, which to me is a completely different topic. Illegal immigration and the failure to obtain asylum status are definitely two different things, but it's typical of the knee-jerk reactionaries that they shoud mix up the two into one convenient package: the greedy alien. That's gonna steal my job. And our women! And eat our cows.

CalifChick -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 6:22:00 AM)
No, they were never granted asylum. Like thousands of other Armenians, they were allowed to come to the US while they filed for asylum status. They did file for status but did not prove their case. They have worked their way thru the courts, one appeal after another, for years. The last appeal has been exhausted. This is not a case of "suddenly" they find out they are going to have to go back to Armenia. This has been a possibility for 16 years. Cali

kittinSol -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 6:55:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CalifChick No, they were never granted asylum. Which is why I wrote this: quote: ORIGINAL kittin Illegal immigration and the failure to obtain asylum status are definitely two different things

CreativeDominant -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 7:17:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Interesting tactic, rule...toss out a challenge to me to back up something I have said and then, when I do, you haul out something I posted EARLIER and jump on me for turning this into "something it is not". I am sorry...perhaps I am a bit dense but could you show me where the arguments/proof/sources offered up that came down on the U.S. policies, corporations, etc. came from if not from socialist and/or liberal and/or progressive sources? Well, not really sure what you're asking me here. If it's about corporate criminality here's one link: •[image]http://my.eimg.net/x.gif[/image]Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the 1990's The 100 corporate criminals fell into 14 categories of crime: Environmental ... Six corporations that made the list of the Top 100 Corporate Criminals were ... http://www.corporatepredators.org/top100.html - 116k - Similar Pages sbm("rn_1"); That's only the '90's. We can go back to the '80's, '70's, or forward into the '00's. I'm not sure what you consider liberal/socialist/progressive but these are documented legal cases even Rush and O'Reilly can't dispute. I've never said that all corporations were squeaky clean nor have I stated that all corporate activity was good. While the cases you cite may well be true, the sources you cite for coverage of these cases is again a liberal source. Have you checked into any corporate activities at all...or even these cases...by looking up the coverage in a more balanced source? Just to see if there might be some other factors at play here? Again rule, you are going around the question asked and since you do not seem to be sure what question I am asking, let me pull it down for you again and set it as a separate question, apart from everything else. I am sorry...perhaps I am a bit dense but could you show me where the arguments/proof/sources offered up...by you and others... that came down on the U.S. policies, corporations, etc. came from if not from socialist and/or liberal and/or progressive sources?

kittinSol -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 7:38:31 AM)
Perhaps the time has come to build a thread on corporate corruption? Or lack thereof...

popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 9:39:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stella41b quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Sorry - cheerleading was the best verb I could think of. I had no idea it would have such a vivid repercussion on your imaginary world [&:] . But in all honesty, this whole "yay, a young kid is being deported to a country he doesn't know, I'm happy" is sickening. Exactly. I'm just curious as to how these people shouting 'yay' would fare in the middle of Yerevan if they were sent there without any choice - to people who speak in a langauge they don't fluently understand, to live in a society and culture which they've only heard about not to mention the problems with the electricity and water supplies, very basic or no healthcare, a corrupt police force, and various social problems such as poverty and crime, which includes organized crime on a level you don't come across in the West. Doesn't take much to try and see things from a different perspective, just a little imagination. And I speak from having actually been to Yerevan. Years ago admittedly, and I can say with a bit of conviction that the conditions there are probably not comparable to what you would find in the States. Stella, if we used all those things as yardsticks for people to claim asylum then 4/5's of human beings on the planet would be "qualified" to seek asylum in the West! Problems with electricity and water? Check! No healthcare, corrupt police, Check! Various social problems, Check! Poverty and crime, Check! Highly "organized" crime, Check! The only people who wouldn't "qualify" to come here would be Australians and most Western Europeans although even some in those two groups could qualify under some of your parameters! And "most" Japanese. We would have to accept all of India and China! Eastern Europe and Russia, the entire Middle East, All of Central America and South America. When does it end? The West has done WAY more than our share in this area! If people live in shitty countries then "they" need to change them not us! I'm sorry but I don't accept responsibility for what happens in foreign countries. I want ALL of my Troops home! From S. Korea, from Japan, from the M.E., from Iraq and Afganistan and from any other foreign country. You know, the more you "give" someone the less gratefull they become. They want more and more. It's like feeding a stray dog, in a few weeks there's more stray dogs and if you don't put the food out on time they start growling at you and you're not the "good" person anymore who felt sorry for a stray dog, you're the "bad" person with the food! Gratefullnes is replaced with contempt. And they don't go out and try to get their own food anymore, why should they? Entitlement mentality exists even in the animal kingdom.

kittinSol -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 10:29:24 AM)
You say all this from the ivory tower that your Irish ancestors built after they escaped the abysmal poverty of their native land, popeye. Easy for you now, isn't it?

popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 10:46:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol You say all this from the ivory tower that your Irish ancestors built after they escaped the abysmal poverty of their native land, popeye. Easy for you now, isn't it? Kittin, "Ivory Tower?" lol Do you know what the difference between "Lace Curtain Irish" and "Shanty Irish" is? And yes, the "Irish" have been very successfull in this country along with many other ethnic groups! Are you suggesting that we feel "guilty" because we built something with our own blood sweat and tears but people in other countries didn't? And where's all the gratitude for what The West has done for all those foreign countries over the last 50 years? I seriously doubt we'll hear any "thankyou's" just more "demands!" "Gimme, gimme, gimme!" Take, take, take! And, the "Lace Curtain Irish" take the dishes out of the sink before they piss in it.

orfunboi -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 11:17:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Stella, if we used all those things as yardsticks for people to claim asylum then 4/5's of human beings on the planet would be "qualified" to seek asylum in the West! Problems with electricity and water? Check! No healthcare, corrupt police, Check! Various social problems, Check! Poverty and crime, Check! Highly "organized" crime, Check! The only people who wouldn't "qualify" to come here would be Australians and most Western Europeans although even some in those two groups could qualify under some of your parameters! And "most" Japanese. We would have to accept all of India and China! Eastern Europe and Russia, the entire Middle East, All of Central America and South America. When does it end? The West has done WAY more than our share in this area! If people live in shitty countries then "they" need to change them not us! I'm sorry but I don't accept responsibility for what happens in foreign countries. I want ALL of my Troops home! From S. Korea, from Japan, from the M.E., from Iraq and Afganistan and from any other foreign country. You know, the more you "give" someone the less gratefull they become. They want more and more. It's like feeding a stray dog, in a few weeks there's more stray dogs and if you don't put the food out on time they start growling at you and you're not the "good" person anymore who felt sorry for a stray dog, you're the "bad" person with the food! Gratefullnes is replaced with contempt. And they don't go out and try to get their own food anymore, why should they? Entitlement mentality exists even in the animal kingdom. [sm=agree.gif]

stella41b -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 11:39:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: stella41b quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Sorry - cheerleading was the best verb I could think of. I had no idea it would have such a vivid repercussion on your imaginary world [&:] . But in all honesty, this whole "yay, a young kid is being deported to a country he doesn't know, I'm happy" is sickening. Exactly. I'm just curious as to how these people shouting 'yay' would fare in the middle of Yerevan if they were sent there without any choice - to people who speak in a langauge they don't fluently understand, to live in a society and culture which they've only heard about not to mention the problems with the electricity and water supplies, very basic or no healthcare, a corrupt police force, and various social problems such as poverty and crime, which includes organized crime on a level you don't come across in the West. Doesn't take much to try and see things from a different perspective, just a little imagination. And I speak from having actually been to Yerevan. Years ago admittedly, and I can say with a bit of conviction that the conditions there are probably not comparable to what you would find in the States. Stella, if we used all those things as yardsticks for people to claim asylum then 4/5's of human beings on the planet would be "qualified" to seek asylum in the West! Problems with electricity and water? Check! No healthcare, corrupt police, Check! Various social problems, Check! Poverty and crime, Check! Highly "organized" crime, Check! The only people who wouldn't "qualify" to come here would be Australians and most Western Europeans although even some in those two groups could qualify under some of your parameters! And "most" Japanese. We would have to accept all of India and China! Eastern Europe and Russia, the entire Middle East, All of Central America and South America. When does it end? The West has done WAY more than our share in this area! If people live in shitty countries then "they" need to change them not us! I'm sorry but I don't accept responsibility for what happens in foreign countries. I want ALL of my Troops home! From S. Korea, from Japan, from the M.E., from Iraq and Afganistan and from any other foreign country. You know, the more you "give" someone the less gratefull they become. They want more and more. It's like feeding a stray dog, in a few weeks there's more stray dogs and if you don't put the food out on time they start growling at you and you're not the "good" person anymore who felt sorry for a stray dog, you're the "bad" person with the food! Gratefullnes is replaced with contempt. And they don't go out and try to get their own food anymore, why should they? Entitlement mentality exists even in the animal kingdom. Yes Popeye, I know, you went through all this several postings ago. I'm well aware of your point of view, trust me. So I take it you wouldn't have problems with resettling in Yerevan?

kittinSol -> RE: Immigration law: something's got to give. (6/6/2008 11:45:28 AM)
The large majority of Americans come from humble origins that were based elsewhere than in America - and you are no exception. That's the point that you missed from my post: it's a little much to hear you clamour as if the world and his wife was trying to pick at your dinner plate when you benefited from the immigration of your forebears. See what I'm saying?

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