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ORIGINAL: stella41b

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Sorry - cheerleading was the best verb I could think of. I had no idea it would have such a vivid repercussion on your imaginary world [&:] .

But in all honesty, this whole "yay, a young kid is being deported to a country he doesn't know, I'm happy" is sickening.

Exactly. I'm just curious as to how these people shouting 'yay' would fare in the middle of Yerevan if they were sent there without any choice - to people who speak in a langauge they don't fluently understand, to live in a society and culture which they've only heard about not to mention the problems with the electricity and water supplies, very basic or no healthcare, a corrupt police force, and various social problems such as poverty and crime, which includes organized crime on a level you don't come across in the West. Doesn't take much to try and see things from a different perspective, just a little imagination.

And I speak from having actually been to Yerevan. Years ago admittedly, and I can say with a bit of conviction that the conditions there are probably not comparable to what you would find in the States.

Stella, if we used all those things as yardsticks for people to claim asylum then 4/5's of human beings on the planet would be "qualified" to seek asylum in the West!
Problems with electricity and water? Check!
No healthcare, corrupt police, Check!
Various social problems, Check!
Poverty and crime, Check!
Highly "organized" crime, Check!
The only people who wouldn't "qualify" to come here would be Australians and most Western Europeans although even some in those two groups could qualify under some of your parameters! And "most" Japanese.
We would have to accept all of India and China! Eastern Europe and Russia, the entire Middle East, All of Central America and South America.
When does it end?
The West has done WAY more than our share in this area!
If people live in shitty countries then "they" need to change them not us!
I'm sorry but I don't accept responsibility for what happens in foreign countries.
I want *ALL* of my Troops home!
From S. Korea, from Japan, from the M.E., from Iraq and Afganistan and from any other foreign country.
You know, the more you "give" someone the less gratefull they become.
They want more and more.
It's like feeding a stray dog, in a few weeks there's more stray dogs and if you don't put the food out on time they start growling at you and you're not the "good" person anymore who felt sorry for a stray dog, you're the "bad" person with the food!
Gratefullnes is replaced with contempt.
And they don't go out and try to get their own food anymore, why should they?
Entitlement mentality exists even in the animal kingdom.

Yes Popeye, I know, you went through all this several postings ago. I'm well aware of your point of view, trust me. So I take it you wouldn't have problems with resettling in Yerevan?

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Sorry - cheerleading was the best verb I could think of. I had no idea it would have such a vivid repercussion on your imaginary world [&:] .

But in all honesty, this whole "yay, a young kid is being deported to a country he doesn't know, I'm happy" is sickening.

Exactly. I'm just curious as to how these people shouting 'yay' would fare in the middle of Yerevan if they were sent there without any choice - to people who speak in a langauge they don't fluently understand, to live in a society and culture which they've only heard about not to mention the problems with the electricity and water supplies, very basic or no healthcare, a corrupt police force, and various social problems such as poverty and crime, which includes organized crime on a level you don't come across in the West. Doesn't take much to try and see things from a different perspective, just a little imagination.

And I speak from having actually been to Yerevan. Years ago admittedly, and I can say with a bit of conviction that the conditions there are probably not comparable to what you would find in the States.

Stella, if we used all those things as yardsticks for people to claim asylum then 4/5's of human beings on the planet would be "qualified" to seek asylum in the West!
Problems with electricity and water? Check!
No healthcare, corrupt police, Check!
Various social problems, Check!
Poverty and crime, Check!
Highly "organized" crime, Check!
The only people who wouldn't "qualify" to come here would be Australians and most Western Europeans although even some in those two groups could qualify under some of your parameters! And "most" Japanese.
We would have to accept all of India and China! Eastern Europe and Russia, the entire Middle East, All of Central America and South America.
When does it end?
The West has done WAY more than our share in this area!
If people live in shitty countries then "they" need to change them not us!
I'm sorry but I don't accept responsibility for what happens in foreign countries.
I want *ALL* of my Troops home!
From S. Korea, from Japan, from the M.E., from Iraq and Afganistan and from any other foreign country.
You know, the more you "give" someone the less gratefull they become.
They want more and more.
It's like feeding a stray dog, in a few weeks there's more stray dogs and if you don't put the food out on time they start growling at you and you're not the "good" person anymore who felt sorry for a stray dog, you're the "bad" person with the food!
Gratefullnes is replaced with contempt.
And they don't go out and try to get their own food anymore, why should they?
Entitlement mentality exists even in the animal kingdom.

Yes Popeye, I know, you went through all this several postings ago. I'm well aware of your point of view, trust me. So I take it you wouldn't have problems with resettling in Yerevan?

Stella, where is "Yerevan" and why on God's green earth would I want to "settle" there?
What are you on about now?

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Folks, please trim your replies.

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Again rule, you are going around the question asked and since you do not seem to be sure what question I am asking, let me pull it down for you again and set it as a separate question, apart from everything else.

I am sorry...perhaps I am a bit dense but could you show me where the arguments/proof/sources offered up...by you and others... that came down on the U.S. policies, corporations, etc. came from if not from socialist and/or liberal and/or progressive sources?