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This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 5:52:08 AM

Madame4a

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Nope... I'm not asking if I am, I'm a jaded leather curmudgeon -- occasionally just plain stupid, but rarely naive.

I find myself reading posts here, very often, in fact more than once a day a new one comes up and I think one of several things:

1) Can't you see you're being played?
2) Ok, clear the playground, everyone back to their classrooms until you learn to behave.
3) Are people really that stupid/naive/clueless?
4) Danger Will Robinson!
5) Not again, please!

and then some -- I need more coffee...

but really are people that naive? I find it scary -- its kind of like the time I was sick for two weeks, taking strong meds and watched way too much Jerry Springer et al -- and I started to think the whole world was like the Springer guests and audience for that matter...

promise me there are some intelligent and mature folks out there... I'm sure there are, right?

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 6:08:48 AM

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I'm not sure. Silly me, I always thought I was better than to 'feed the trolls'... but I guess I'm wrong. Went to the gym... met up with a friend there. Spent a little over an hour working out frustrations and laughing. I'm good to go now.

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 6:25:51 AM

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Gotta agree with ya, OP. And yes, there are a lot of naive people out there. That's why there are so many who claim to be dom(me)s who really aren't. It gets them what they want.

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 6:28:17 AM

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No gym workout for me. Has to be in the bedroom. Op I share your pain. The admin won't let you rip into those people.

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 6:41:33 AM

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I battle with my cynicism a lot. Why? Well I really don't want to be one of those jaded, bitter people who don't trust or believe in people. But..... on the other hand, I hate being played even more. I guess some people choose differently.

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 8:02:15 AM

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Yeah, I could do with one of those bedroom workouts....

and Madame, I am right with you.....especially when those people have managed to have jobs, marriages, kids...does NONE of that translate?

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 8:05:24 AM

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It's funny you should post this...I read a comment from you on a thread somewhere this morning and thought, "You know, if I were in contention for a niceness award, she'd be right there with me"...

There are lots of intelligent and mature folks out there. We keep them close, "in here", with us when we meet them, generally, and so don't see them as being "out there" sometimes.

There are also, and, yes, they're probably the majority, a LOT of naive and/or uneducated people out there...actually actively thinking isn't the norm, unfortunately, because, really, life is hard work and many people just don't have the time for more than getting by. They're likely to accept what they've been handed by the authority figures in their lives, except those things which clash violently with what is inherently within themselves...and they sort those things out as quickly as they can far more often than as deeply/completely as they can.

From the point of view of someone who spends, if anything, an inordinate amount of time thinking, it can be truly stunning to observe.

They do learn, but slowly, the hard way, as they are forced to confront things...they never thought beyond X point so when Y point presents itself, they are left in the dust of their own lack of forethought. Asking them to suddenly develop the ability to really use their forethought is a tall order, indeed...once we reach a certain point of development, it's ridiculously difficult to completely change your life approach. For the most part, they are simple and honest and good...there tends to be a lot less blackness in their hearts than those of us who live more deeply, and I try to focus on that.

Note that this does not mean that I do not frequently want to beat them upside the head with a clue-by-four...just that I have a method for calming the urge a bit and avoiding a lot of stress for myself. ;)

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 8:20:17 AM

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Human beings are beautiful. Given the opportunity to help someone else without taking away from themselves, almost anyone will do it.

You are seeing people in their weakest moments. Someone has desires, maybe repressed for 50 years, and finally talks to another person about it. That person is not only not repulsed, but actually attracted to them because of their "disgusting" secret. Smart people with tons of life experience throw all their common sense out the window, because their need for acceptance -- and their lust -- makes them blind to anything else. They fall for scams, they take online relationships way too seriously, they walk into red-flag real-life relationships. That doesn't make them dumb. It makes them willing to try.

Also remember that both online and TV are caricatures of real life.

I love people. I think human life is amazing. Does this make me realistic, or naive?

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 8:34:24 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantJenny

I read a comment from you on a thread somewhere this morning and thought, "You know, if I were in contention for a niceness award, she'd be right there with me"...

Yep....she gets my vote too, Jenny

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 8:42:52 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I appreciate your post.

Cheers,

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 8:52:01 AM

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LH I accept your offer. You have to admit that the naive one keep us comming back for more. I still think that some of the stuff is just made up to get a rise out of someone. Some of the post make that very obivious.

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 9:17:59 AM

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Sure Ray, is this like your previous offer of coffeecake?

I try not to feed the trolls, but I just don't have it in me to be unkind to folks who are looking. When I was new (when dinosaurs walked the earth) I had people help me out, and I feel that I should be passing that on. CLUE BY FOUR is too fab, Jenny, I will be using that one soon, I can sense it!

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 9:22:49 AM

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quote:

promise me there are some intelligent and mature folks out there

not in this 21st century..im afraid.

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 9:58:55 AM

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Someday maybe just maybe, I'll get the formating here.....

Sheesh......

Um.....anyone close to me have clejuso keys?

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 10:00:57 AM

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quote:

promise me there are some intelligent and mature folks out there... I'm sure there are, right?

As one yourself it's easy enough for you to look up the statistics showing how many of which type of intelligence there are making up whichever population.

People who score well on IQ tests
People who earned college degrees
People who succeeded at some challeninging goal
People who died doing something stupid

Smart people who do dumb things
Dumb people who have flashes of brilliance
Average people who have highs and lows

No matter how much you know about one thing, there is something else that you know nothing about. No matter how little you know about something, there is another subject on which you are an expert. People do not ask questions to find out answers they already know. They ask questions to learn new things or to pose for good effect, such as asking why other people are so stupid, so that by asking they can seem so much smarter.

The public policy of western nations including the US is to seek to manufacture citizens by place in society. The traditional ratio of smart to dumb was set by the requirements of society at the time policy was made. It was the industrial age and the goal was to have a small elite for governance, a slightly larger upper class of managers to run businesses and schools, and then a whole lot of stupid people as workers and consumers. Classes and tests were designed accordingly. If people are educated too far beyond their chance of ever using it, they become dangerously unhappy and tend to fly airliners into skyscrapers.

A forum online is a good place to ask questions, so expect to see people being ignorant out in the open. At least they want to know. It's better to know what you don't know and be frankly stupid about it than to pretend you are all wise in all things, or to hide from your own ignorance by sticking close to what you do know.

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 10:12:50 AM

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Thank you for such a wonderful voice of reason.

I sometimes come across something that shocks me to my boots, for a very short while I question this thing we call humanity. It takes but an even shorter while to regain perspection.

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
Human beings are beautiful. Given the opportunity to help someone else without taking away from themselves, almost anyone will do it.

You are seeing people in their weakest moments. Someone has desires, maybe repressed for 50 years, and finally talks to another person about it. That person is not only not repulsed, but actually attracted to them because of their "disgusting" secret. Smart people with tons of life experience throw all their common sense out the window, because their need for acceptance -- and their lust -- makes them blind to anything else. They fall for scams, they take online relationships way too seriously, they walk into red-flag real-life relationships. That doesn't make them dumb. It makes them willing to try.

Also remember that both online and TV are caricatures of real life.

I love people. I think human life is amazing. Does this make me realistic, or naive?

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 11:00:40 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
CLUE BY FOUR is too fab, Jenny, I will be using that one soon, I can sense it!

*grin* I'm surprised the term hadn't made it here long before me; glad to spread the linguistic wealth! ;)

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 7:59:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Human beings are beautiful. Given the opportunity to help someone else without taking away from themselves, almost anyone will do it.

You are seeing people in their weakest moments. Someone has desires, maybe repressed for 50 years, and finally talks to another person about it. That person is not only not repulsed, but actually attracted to them because of their "disgusting" secret. Smart people with tons of life experience throw all their common sense out the window, because their need for acceptance -- and their lust -- makes them blind to anything else. They fall for scams, they take online relationships way too seriously, they walk into red-flag real-life relationships. That doesn't make them dumb. It makes them willing to try.

Also remember that both online and TV are caricatures of real life.

I love people. I think human life is amazing. Does this make me realistic, or naive?

Yes, they are that naive, remember that recent thread from a guy in NJ complaining that it was 6 months and nothing happening...... i think it comes from the instant gratification that the Net can bring. i agree with RedMagic1, the oldsters should not be too cruel and try to help, but with the first snippy remark....later. Willing to try, yeah i still am.

4) Danger, danger Will Robinson Yep, been there once.

Ladies, i have not been motivated to be on the boards for a looong time. Many good OPs here lately.

THANKS!

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 10:29:25 PM

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I've only been played once since i got into the lifestyl, needless to say it won't happen again. i think everyone needs to get burned at least once, but after that... it's their fault for not learning the lesson the first time

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RE: This happens to me a lot... (naive?) - 6/11/2008 10:39:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantJenny

There are also, and, yes, they're probably the majority, a LOT of naive and/or uneducated people out there...actually actively thinking isn't the norm, unfortunately,

Actually I'm one of the uneducated people your referring to..education in no way automatically means intelligence..not to mention there are many forms of intelligence.

< Message edited by Icarys -- 6/11/2008 10:44:23 PM >

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