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caning question - 2/27/2004 1:28:24 PM   
Mystiquesbitch


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My Mistress has started using a heavy fiberglass cane on my ass, the welts go away whithin a few hours but the pain stays for 2 or 3 days. It is not a skin surface type of pain, the only way i can desribe it is it is as if my bones in my ass under the skin are sore. Does this make sence to anyone and is it OK??
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RE: caning question - 2/28/2004 1:15:26 PM   
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Let's see; heavy fiberglass cane smacks flesh on the ass many times and with much force. Ass hurts for two or three days afterwards. Hmm. Makes sense to me.

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RE: caning question - 2/29/2004 1:28:38 PM   
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I have to say... that made me laugh.

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RE: caning question - 3/6/2004 11:21:24 PM   
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Doesn't anyone discuss safe, sane and consensual agreements before they enter into a relationship? If you subject yourself to punishment that is not something that you enjoy, then it's not mutual pleasure. There should be a meeting of the minds in which both parties agree...and boundaries drawn. It amazes me the amount of people that are enduring abuse and are not receiving their sought after pleasure. My caviat is that masochistic tendencies desire degradation and humiliation. If that is what you desire, you still need to outline your safe words. Otherwise, you set yourself up. Hope that helps the true sluts out there....

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RE: caning question - 3/7/2004 7:25:04 PM   
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Doesn't anyone discuss safe, sane and consensual agreements before they enter into a relationship? If you subject yourself to punishment that is not something that you enjoy, then it's not mutual pleasure.


Well, Sir, I guess it goes back to everyone having their own definitions. What you term as punishment, I term as play. *Punishment* is used to change an unwanted behavior, and if I were receiving pleasure from it, it would not serve it's purpose. I punish Race by putting him in a chair in the corner. He hates it. It serves the purpose of getting him to not repeat whatever got him there.

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There should be a meeting of the minds in which both parties agree...and boundaries drawn. It amazes me the amount of people that are enduring abuse and are not receiving their sought after pleasure.


Again Sir, it is a matter of definitions. I personally am not seeking pleasure from punishment. I am seeking to amend my behaviors to be more pleasing. That doesn't make the punishment abuse, it just makes it not play.

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My caviat is that masochistic tendencies desire degradation and humiliation. If that is what you desire, you still need to outline your safe words. Otherwise, you set yourself up. Hope that helps the true sluts out there....


I guess that is the reason we do not agree Sir. I am not, nor will I ever be a masochist. I don't like pain, it hurts. Luckily Master only has a small sadistic side and I don't have to endure it often. And we both adore bondage. He does get enjoyment (mental) out of watching me struggle (or stay totally still if that is what he says to do) when he determines I need a spanking, but discipline and play are not the same thing to me. And I get no enjoyment out of it, though I work hard on not repeating the offensive act!

I also don't believe in humiliation. By that I mean, even if it is not something I desire/enjoy, if I accept it and it pleases Master, then I have been pleasing and see nothing humiliating in the action, regardless of what it is.

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RE: caning question - 3/7/2004 8:53:09 PM   
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Heavy caning can cause deep tissue bruising. My only suggestion is to use Arnica type topical salves on non broken skin, and/or take Arnica tablets for a couple of days prior to punishment if you are expecting it. Lastly speak with your Dom about the long term effects and find an amicable solution for you both where physical caning as a punishment does not occur too often to allow for deep tissue healing.

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RE: caning question - 3/8/2004 9:13:09 PM   
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I dont like caning I dont think caning is good cause it leaves marks.

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RE: caning question - 3/8/2004 10:42:32 PM   
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Flogging, spanking, crops, whipping and clothespins leave marks too. Are they also bad?

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RE: caning question - 3/9/2004 10:21:07 AM   
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::winks:: when I orgasm I flush totally across my chest (can't fake it, but who wants too!). And whereas I get really tired after about 20, I don't normally find them a bad thing. As far as caning goes, I mark as easily from a spanking as I do from anything else. It's just the way my lilly white ass marks :) But what really ticks them off is even when they manage to get me that pretty purple canes have done in the past, all the marks were gone in just a couple of days.

I don't like them just 'cause they hurt!

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RE: caning question - 3/11/2004 1:20:29 AM   
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All the marks gone in a couple of days? Well, all the better. That means you can start all over again that much sooner.

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RE: caning question - 3/13/2004 6:01:25 AM   
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Canes frighten me. They are much more serious than, say a riding crop. I've heard them described as "thudier". That seems about right to me.

Let me tell why canes frighten me.

It was a non-punishment play scene. i was tied up. She had a riding crop and was spanking my ass. She missed. Although I'm sure if I had my arm ripped of by a bear it would hurt more, there is a special something in pain from your balls. (Ask any Mistress if they can be as hard on the external internal organs as they are on an ass.)

She, to her credit, did not giggle until I could laugh it off. (To my credit, I did not vomit.)

If it was a "thudier" instrument I'd be singing soprano. (Yes, Mistress, i'll wax the floor real well this time. There is no need for the cane.)

Needless to say, it kinda ruined the mood. (She went from amorous to safety conscious, and i went from being played with to vacuuming.)

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RE: caning question - 3/19/2004 10:08:13 AM   
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quote:

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My Mistress has started using a heavy fiberglass cane on my ass, the welts go away whithin a few hours but the pain stays for 2 or 3 days. It is not a skin surface type of pain, the only way i can desribe it is it is as if my bones in my ass under the skin are sore. Does this make sence to anyone and is it OK??



Wait a minute...I didn't hear a complaint in this question. It reads to me as if this submissive is just asking if it is normal for the pain to last this long. Let's not assume that there has been no limits communication here!

Sure, it's reasonable for you to be sore for a few days - it's the same with working out. When you are tensing those muscles, maybe in anticipation of a swat or right after it, you are exercising them, using them. Since none of us probably wander around all day tensing our ass muscles, it's normal for them to be sore after activity.

If you are enjoying it, great. It sounds to me also, since the whelps go away within a few hours, that you probably have an ass of steel like mine. My ex used to get so furious because he'd spend an hour paddling me and the redness would go away within a few hours - after all his hard work...grins. I got to the point that I barely even bruised.

Enjoy the fun.




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RE: caning question - 8/26/2004 7:22:17 PM   
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even with a caning went away in few hours?

i think i must bruise easy, with the canning i had marks for few days and bruises for few more after that... but i do love to feel them bruises few days later, its a good reminder! i do have mixed feelings about "the cane". To me it is the most painful thing on my ass i have felt. Its one of the Love/Hate things.. i get so scared when i see it and think OMG here it comes(think to myself, Oh no i can't take it!) but always end up loving it. Gives me one of the emotional sub space crys that i can't control.

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RE: caning question - 8/26/2004 7:24:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

Let's see; heavy fiberglass cane smacks flesh on the ass many times and with much force. Ass hurts for two or three days afterwards. Hmm. Makes sense to me.


LOL Your posts always bring a smile to my face...

Thanks Sir

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RE: caning question - 8/26/2004 7:51:43 PM   
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I would just be careful not to play your ass again until a day or two after it stops hurting, sounds like deep tissue bruising and you don't want bruise on top of bruise. It is medically unwise.
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ORIGINAL: Mystiquesbitch

My Mistress has started using a heavy fiberglass cane on my ass, the welts go away whithin a few hours but the pain stays for 2 or 3 days. It is not a skin surface type of pain, the only way i can desribe it is it is as if my bones in my ass under the skin are sore. Does this make sence to anyone and is it OK??


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RE: caning question - 8/26/2004 7:51:58 PM   
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Mysriquesbitch,

Gotta say what did you expect?? Caning is a form of play many use, some bruise some don't. What is apparent is that you trusted enough to take the caning and should expect the outcome and thank your Owner for it. Just what i think....also sheesh my welts never go away that fast lol.

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RE: caning question - 8/27/2004 11:26:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mystiquesbitch
My Mistress has started using a heavy fiberglass cane on my ass, the welts go away whithin a few hours but the pain stays for 2 or 3 days. It is not a skin surface type of pain, the only way i can desribe it is it is as if my bones in my ass under the skin are sore. Does this make sence to anyone and is it OK??

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ORIGINAL: Electrafyn
If you subject yourself to punishment


I do not see anything in the OP that says this is a punishment - and failing any information in that regard, I took it to be a form of play that they were engaging in, not punishment -- and like Kiss, I did not see this post as any sort of complaint, just a request for inofrmation on whether this play might have some health and/or safety issues

now, I may be misreading your usage of the term punishment, but given the strident nature of your post I can only presume you meant it in its more commonly accepted definition - i.e. something done to chastise a wrongdoer - and even if you did mean that, it does not necessarily mean it was not part of a SSC agreement - do you have any proof that Mystiquesbitch didnt agree that his Mistress would have the 'right' to 'punish' him? In my experience, the person being punished usually has little to no say about the form the punishment would take - otherwise it wouldnt be a punishment

just my tuppence

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RE: caning question - 10/14/2004 6:30:59 PM   
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Well, let's sort a few things out shall we, I'm a masochist and I go to a lady who does nothing else except administer discipline.

As to being a 'pain slut' whatever that is, over here in Britain the word 'slut' has an altogether different connotation and I assure you that I am neither a prostitute nor into gangbangs.

Canes.

Loads of different types, does not really matter what a rod, cane, switch, crop, etc is made of, what matters is it's length and it's diameter.

A judicial cane is usually between 42 and 48 inches long, and between a half to one inch in diameter.

The thicker the cane the less damage it does, generally speaking.

However a judicial cane is not only thick, it is very long, which means that you are being beaten with the end 2 feet of that cane, which means that the disciplinarian has an arm extension.

So what you have is the strength of the disciplinarian plus however much weight she uses, plus the length of her arm plus the additional length of the cane plus the weight of the cane plus momentum.

A lady who is filmed regularly, and who is a JCP specialist, is Miss Stricktland who operates in South Yorkshire, now she canes at full weight, but leaves the victims bottom with very little damage, because she uses the correct thickness of cane to go with her style of caning.

The thinner the cane, the more damage you will get if you use it full weight, very thin canes should be used as a stinger and nothing more and should be used between a thumb and finger and flicked.

Riding crops, can be quite thin, with those that are plastic covered, up to medium thickness for leather and up to quite thick for a rubber covered man's hunting crop.

Most English crops have an inner of spring steel, and are between 3 feet and 4 feet in length, and may or may not have a popper on the end.

OK that is enough on the instrument, now lets look at the victim's position.

There are essentially two positions for receiving a caning, both bent over, the first is legs together, and the second is with legs wide apart.

Legs together, provides a thicker more meaty expanse of bottom, however, there is no tension in the muscles and blows will go right down to the bone if they are delivered hard; pain is much less with this position.

Legs apart, the classic jcp position, the bottom is spread and presents a wide area, the muscles are in tension and the pain is excrutiating, however, if the caning is accurate there is less likelihood of the cane hitting the bone.

I shall write a story on jcp and put it in the relavent forum.

Safety.

A problem with people who are not specialist disciplinarians is that damage to the nerves of the bottom can occur and the vicitm ends up with a numb bottom - not a bad thing you may think.

Well, it raises additional problems in that you will not know if you are severely injured, you will not know if you injure yourself in real life, there is a danger of pressure sores, and ulceration.

If the nerve damage is extensive, then it may affect your sexual function, the ability to pass urine or faeces.

Pain.

I have a very high tolerance for pain - I am in real life in pain on a chronic and acute basis 24/7 since 1976 - I use the pain of jcp to balance out the pain in my spine.

If I could get jcp as a doctor's prescription on the British National Health Service (which is FREE) I would.

However, most people do not have a very high tolerance, especially after they come down from a session.

If the pain is such that it feels as though it is coming from inside the bones, it may well be that it is.

Remember that the pelvis is slightly different in men and women; in women the pelvic notch is much larger and the lower portion of the pelvis is much closer to the lower bottom that it is in a man.

Women are created for the purpose of childbearing, and their pelvises are different to allow for the child's head and body to fit through.

Also, I think that women are able to withstand more pain than most men, at the time of receiving it, so you may not have an indiciation of damage or of being caned too hard until the day after, or longer.

Finally, new hardware is all very well, but it should be treated carefully and its ability to inflict damage should be carefully studied.

You would not thrash someone with an iron bar, so make certain that rods made out of new materials are not behaving like an iron bar.



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RE: caning question - 10/15/2004 8:11:29 PM   
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quote:

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My Mistress has started using a heavy fiberglass cane on my ass, the welts go away whithin a few hours but the pain stays for 2 or 3 days. It is not a skin surface type of pain, the only way i can desribe it is it is as if my bones in my ass under the skin are sore. Does this make sence to anyone and is it OK??


It makes perfect sense and is quite normal.

The nature of the cane, whether rattan, fiberglass or other material, is such that the force of the impact is concentrated into the flesh at the point of impace along the length of the rod.

Think of it this way: A cat is a series of narrow, but flat surfaces, flexible and traveling at differnt speed relative to that of the handle. Force is transmitted along the thongs, concentrating on the very tips. This is why "wrap-arounds" are so painful. As the thongs hit skin, the force is rapidly disippated along the length and somewhat into the skin in the same direction the thing was travelling when the skin stopped its progress. The force of the swing, however, is divinded along six, eight, twenty or more surfaces.

A paddle tends to hurt more if it is hard than if it is flexible.

A cane is a fairly rigid (in comparison to the cat) single surface. 100% of the force of the swing is transmitted longitudinally into the cane. While some of the force does get transmitted to the tip, the effect is not quite as severe as with a cat because the speed of the tip is not as radically different than that of the center of the striking surface. Canes tend to be round in cross section, meaning the force is directed directly downward into the surface it hits because the shape acts as a blunt wedge.

The forces of the blow do not spread outward as much, but continue straight down into tissues. The bruise of a cane stroke can go as deep as an inch or inch and a half into flesh. The force causes bruising due to cellular rupture along the path of the force. In fact, the marksof a good caning will cometimes take three or four *days* to rise fully to the surface. As reach subsequent layer of cellular damage comes to the surface, the colors change and spread.

A good caning is "the gift that keeps on giving" as its effects take longer to wear off. It does, however, mean that recovery takes longer. If a sub cannot be still wearing the effects of a scene later on, then canings are not the way to go. I do not usually do canings without negotiation and explanation beforehand (if the sub is not familiar with canes) and an understanding that it takes longer to recover from the play.

Also, I would tend to stay away from fiverglass as the material does sometimes shed tiny splinters of itself into the surface it contacts. I have experience tooling mobility canes for blind persons from fiberglass rods and the damned fiberglass "needles" were in My fingers for days afterwards! Ouch!

Hope this helps.

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RE: caning question - 10/17/2004 6:01:04 AM   
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Well not ALL canings leave marks, a caning can be very soft and VERY gentle - just like everything else we use, it depends on HOW it is used.

And as for feeling it went to the bone, that would largely depend on how much muscle and meat and/or fat your HAVE on your ass.

If you don't have a lot or rather if you have very little padding, your pelvic bones *are* closer to the surface than someone who is padded well.

It *is* possible to be bone bruising from impact toys like paddles, canes, leaded/weighted floggers, any toy that is thuddy and heavy can indeed impact the bone enough to make the actual bones sore.

And yeah, it can take WEEKS for that to ebb away.

Damien makes this lovely evil nasty delightful bunny floggers that have leaded falls. When he first came out with them I was all oooooooo I think I'd like these ones! So I had Ray try it on me. I was a little surprised when Damien came to my front, placed his hands on my shoulders to brace me. Then Ray thawked me with a medium-mild swing and OMGGGGGGGGG that fucker thudded DEEP. I wound up with a bruised shoulder bone for 3 weeks before it stopped letting me know it was there. (I often wonder how many little teeny tiny submissive ladies were hurdled to their feet by a test flog before Damien started bracing them! lol! I'm a burly sturdy girl and was in no danger of falling on my face but the impact was intense indeed. Lovely evil things they are. lol)

In any case if you have less padding the bioes are closer to the impact and yeah a cane could indeed bruise a bone, hell it can cause permanant damage if certain nerves along your backside and feet are hit hard enough. I know the name if the nerve but its awfully late and theres no way in hell I'd spell it correctly right now LOL

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