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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/22/2008 6:28:30 AM   
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Even stress and lack of sleep can result in pretty much the same  symptoms ...many midnight shift workers will experience the same physical/mental  problems  so does not necessarily mean permenance depending on the cause ..  the only way to determine cause is to see a neurologist  and start tests to rule or confirm certain health problems or until a logical explanation can be found

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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/22/2008 9:10:35 AM   
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All these could also be a symptoms of insulin imbalance or diabetes. Has he changed his diet/exercise recently?

However what is your goal in disclosing this here? If a person walked through your door with an ax in his/her head would you require input from an on-line forum to act? So, if anyone answered; "Yes as a matter of fact, my 2nd cousin experienced the exact same symptoms and was dead in 10 hours." What would you do with that information?

Speculation and/or getting totally unqualified opinions based upon selectively disclosed 'facts' serves him how? Assuming serving him, and not bringing attention to yourself is the goal in the first place.


Yanno Merc, i don't always agree with what You post -- but to my knowledge at least, i have never been disrepectful to You here on the boards. 
 
It seems to me that lately, You have become more and more acrebic in posting when You have a different POV.  Maybe i'm wrong, but that's my observation.
 
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pinkie,
I neither seek or consider valuable internet "respect". However, if I've established or generated any, I hope it is because, no matter the source of the thread/post, my responses are pointed to the issue and my opinion of the issue as represented. The way I look at it in this situation - the potential danger to the subject of this post is of more importance than worrying about disrespecting you. I find it amazing you don't feel the same.

This isn't a case of a differing POV. It is a matter of safety and, who knows, can be a matter of life and death. To seek advice on what to do in such a situation is either the product of ignorance, which I don't believe is the case, or the desire for attention and/or sympathy in 'coping'.

The situation you describe is serious. It brings to mind one of the main reasons that 'safe' words are dangerous for both parties relying on them in lieu of common sense. In a scene if serious injury is incurred and observed and the 'top' continues on, safe words provide a great excuse; "Wow - I thought she was just a heavy bottom. I saw the bone sticking out, but since she didn't use our agreed upon safe word; I kept going." If this person dies, will your excuse be; "He didn't let me take him to a Doctor."? Will that, combined with "I even started a post on CM about him!"; elevate your guilt? Is that your goal? In that case - I guess you've done all you can. 

Pragmatically, with the background you claim, you should know better. If pointing that out to you is "disrespectful" maybe my assumptions regarding your intelligence is inaccurate. If so, please accept my apology.


Laffs.  Make assumptions about my intelligence at Yr own risk, Merc; in some ways i'm quite bright; in others i'm quite dim. 
 
He and i are supposed to have breakfast out on Wednesday.  i'm not sure even now what to say to him, if anything.  Writing the Op helped a little; reading the responses helped a little...not much more can be done on the boards. 
 
It was helpful  -- and a little scarey -- to read the wide variety of potential ailments such symptoms could signal.  Stuff i would never have thought of on my own. 
 
Maybe i can persuade him to see his heart doctor again; seems like any MD would want to make the correct diagnosis. 
 
i agree with You about 'net 'respect'; it's illusory.
 
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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/22/2008 10:23:19 AM   
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i'm not sure even now what to say to him, if anything


Yet you have no trouble discussing his health issues with faceless strangers on a public message board...

oy.


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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/22/2008 8:15:57 PM   
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Drag him kicking and screaming to a doctor.

Do not take no for an answer.

"Neuro illnesses"--which can be anything from Huntingdons to Parkinsons to Alzheimers to diabetes to hypothyroidism are nothing to sit by and idly twiddle your thumbs about.

Drag him kicking and screaming to a doctor.

Do not take no for an answer.

If you take any other course of action--you're wrong.  Probably dead wrong (well...he'll be dead and you'll be wrong).


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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 3:38:01 AM   
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Drag him kicking and screaming to a doctor.

Do not take no for an answer.

"Neuro illnesses"--which can be anything from Huntingdons to Parkinsons to Alzheimers to diabetes to hypothyroidism are nothing to sit by and idly twiddle your thumbs about.

Drag him kicking and screaming to a doctor.

Do not take no for an answer.

If you take any other course of action--you're wrong.  Probably dead wrong (well...he'll be dead and you'll be wrong).



i'm not legally (or physically, lol) able to compel him to see a neurologist.  IMO, there's not a chance in hell i can attain any kind of legal authority over him. 
 
The only legal action i could take would be to bring an action for guardianship.  He doesn't meet the -- extremely low -- standard for a person in need of guardianship by another granted against their will. 
 
i can fuss, persist, etc.
 
i can approach his next of kin and try and persuade them to insist he get care -- not much chance that'll work.
 
i have some info -- a major concern -- and no ability to affect his behavior or decisons.
 
i'm in the same boat as P/pl with aging parents in declining health who won't stop driving, or see the MD, or consider assisted living.
 
Not every duty W/we owe the P/pl W/we love brings with it the right or power to fullfil that obligation.
 
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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 6:59:45 AM   
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Your full of...questions.
 
Now...get off the computer and go help your friend...-L-

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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 7:47:19 AM   
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nice try TC.... but she's so busy trying to get the 'pobrecita' responses that it aint gonna happen.

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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 7:58:23 AM   
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GT...<grins>
 
Oh well...she does have a dr appt soon...
 
Above all I hope she gets a tetanus SHOT..
 
Can you imagine her jaw locking shut with all that stuff that swims around in her head?
 
That was so mean...
 
<says some hail mary`s>
 
Now I am FREE from it =L=

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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 9:23:41 AM   
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LMAO, TC

(too bad lockjaw doesnt work on fingers...*sigh*)

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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 9:26:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

LMAO, TC

(too bad lockjaw doesnt work on fingers...*sigh*)


Can we hope and pray?




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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 9:31:00 AM   
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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 10:05:28 AM   
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Does your brother have co-workers, a boss or good friends who the wife would be more inclined to listen to? (or perhaps another family member?)

If so, maybe you could have a chat with them, and ask them what they think. If they have the same concerns, perhaps you could ask them to intervene.

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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 6:06:38 PM   
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Drag him kicking and screaming to a doctor. Do not take no for an answer.


I emphatically second this.

If necessary, have him sectioned (and I never suggest that lightly).

Please bear in mind that a number of likely causes can and will make him a risk to himself and others, and consider whether the person he was is someone who would want to expose others to that risk. As others have mentioned, a plausible reason for such symptoms would be brain tumors— having had a friend blown away by her father at point blank with a .38, I cannot emphasize enough the potential for tragedy in leaving such symptoms uninvestigated.

The symptoms you describe are clustered in the rear half of the brain. I can't give any sort of diagnosis, and certainly not over the Internet. But I can guess that this guy has a localized problem. And if it should happen to be a tumor, that may be a good sign, as the symptoms are consistent with a mass exerting a pressure from somewhere in front of and below the occipital lobe. Seeing as you didn't describe anything to suggest that he's experiencing hallucinations, that may indicate that it is operable... right now. It won't stay that way.

Regardless of what the cause of these symptoms may be, he really has no time to waste getting to a doctor.

That means any help you're going to render will (a) involve a doctor, and (b) happen soon.

Failing that, you should drop any notion that you are, or will be, helping him.

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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 6:16:27 PM   
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i'm not legally (or physically, lol) able to compel him to see a neurologist. IMO, there's not a chance in hell i can attain any kind of legal authority over him.

To be honest, in a situation like this, I wouldn't give a tinker's damn about the law.

Find a neuro, explain the situation, explain that you will be kidnapping the erstwhile patient, get the neuro to examine him anyway.

When I said "drag kicking and screaming" I meant physically if necessary.  Or find a couple big strong strapping lads to do the dragging part. 

The law is an ass, and a damned insensitive one sometimes.  This is one of those times.


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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 6:25:16 PM   
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The only thing I have to add is that- depending on local legislation- the neuro may be able to have him legally obligated to take the exam, or have him sectioned. As noted, the set of symptoms you have described here are very compatible with unstable, progressive illness that is likely to cause him to become a danger to others (by not seeing a doctor, he's already a danger to himself, albeit in a longer time perspective- weeks to years, probably on the short end of that scale).

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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/23/2008 6:26:36 PM   
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using your dominant hand...
twine fingers into their hair...
bodily drag co to nearest hospital/doc's office/free clinic...
sit in tacky Scotchgard chair till patient/doc comes out...
listen carefully to treatment regimen...
force co to follow treatment regimen by any/all means
hope the stubborn fuck keeps breathing...
rinse / repeat

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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/24/2008 5:28:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

The only thing I have to add is that- depending on local legislation- the neuro may be able to have him legally obligated to take the exam, or have him sectioned.




having someone sectioned is not as easy as you may think. In fact...taking him to a dr and asking that it occur is pretty much not going to happen. No doctor in his/her right mind is going to take the word of this mans sister without some sort of proof to back it up. Also..taking him kicking and screaming into a doctors office is going to get the op no where. The doctor cannot treat her brother against his consent. It will require a court order (a 302 hearing) to do this...


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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/24/2008 6:23:42 AM   
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what about Baker Act/ 5150? Or whatever its called in whichever jurisdiction; 72 hour psych eval hold?

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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/24/2008 6:39:00 AM   
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i am winging this  so be kind.
The Baker act, as far as i know, is exclusive to Fla. It states that a Law officer, Psych doctor or the court system can commit someone against their will for no more than 72 hours for an eval if they meet certain guidelines (a danger to themselves or others or will decline secondary to lack of family support). Within the 72 hr time frame an eval will determine of a longer commitment is needed and at that point it goes through the court system.


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RE: Please Respond -- Symptoms of Neuro Illnesses - 6/24/2008 7:02:39 AM   
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FR...since the OP never did address my last post...
It is very hard to address an issue with someone if you never bring it up.

Break the rules of what you can/can not bring up to your loved one and lay the cards on the table...but perhaps do it with an objective 3rd party: a mediator or a therapist.

Right now it seems as though we are in a fusion of stories: The Emperor's New Clothes and Chicken Little.

This is about your loved one AND the people he has the potential to hurt if his driving is impaired.

So, do something.
(and if you choose not to then don't feel sorry for yourself.)

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