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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 3:51:15 AM

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I slightly agree with Evility here to be honest I do think there is a differance in terms of how a male submissive presents himself, maybe extending as far as how a male submissive actually thinks who knows. Maybe its to do with wanting to throw off gender stereotypes maybe its because there is a feeling that female dominants are going against the traditional role and so must believe this, maybe its all just said as a fantasy thing. It makes me roll my eyes a bit, as most posters have said. I dont think the issue should be whats in your pants I dont think it makes much differance and I really dont think that we need to reverse the dominant gender i simply dont think there should be one this is an issue that I have thought about a lot actually. Why is it when oppressed groups fight for equality they actually fight to take over the other group? makes no sense to me

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 4:01:28 AM

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The dynamic is very different. In general male subs are in it for the kink factor, and tend to be much less submissive once their sexual needs are met. They need to be handled very diffrently.

I get the "I believe in female supremacy" line ALOT. I've always viewed this more as "this is what I think you want to hear" as opposed to "this is what I actually believe."

I personally don't buy into the female supremacy myth, anymore than I buy into the male supremacy myth.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 4:32:38 AM

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As with any extreme point of view expressed on CM, there are people that really believe it, people that want to believe it, and people who use it as part of the fun of play without believing it. I don't believe in the superiority of one gender over another, anymore than I believe in the superiority of one etnicity, one country, etc. That said, I can get off on the "lick my boots you little worm" game as much as the next dom - and its hot mostly because we know its pretend.

As to speaking of one gender as "naturally more dominant", one must first buy into a set definition of what dominance is. Because of our biology, men and women tend to dominate in different ways and with different outcomes. Most of us were likely to have been cared for by our mothers as small children. Look at how our mothers kept us safe, trained us, and maintained order? To me there is an essential dominance in that. If we were lucky, our mothers used that emotional connection to impose their will. Is it any less dominant because it didn't require physical dominance?

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 5:11:38 AM

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Sounds like you see socity to be male dominated but with pockets of female dominance within it? I dunno, I guess that might depend where you live. Here on the west coast or Canada, the feeling I get is that male dominance died off 10 or 20 years ago and almost everybody believes the genders to be equal in terms of rights, responsibilities, value, etc. Personally, I wouldn't think to lump males and females into the same box, because we ARE different. Some people take it too far in my opinion and say things like females are equally physically strong as males, males are equally as mothering and nurturing as females, and so forth. Equality might not even be the right word for it. Equality indicates that two things are the same. Males and females are NOT the same.

Equality does not equal the same in everything -- in political terms it means equal rights and duties, in education terms it means have access to the same type and quality of education, etc.

Here's a question back to you if I were to consider your definition of equality to be valid:

All all men equal to all other men?

Last time I checked, not even identical twins are 100% the same but at least in their case they are damned close.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 5:16:33 AM

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The dynamic is very different. In general male subs are in it for the kink factor, and tend to be much less submissive once their sexual needs are met. They need to be handled very diffrently.

I get the "I believe in female supremacy" line ALOT. I've always viewed this more as "this is what I think you want to hear" as opposed to "this is what I actually believe."

I personally don't buy into the female supremacy myth, anymore than I buy into the male supremacy myth.

Ditto.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 5:48:50 AM

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I always think it's interesting how fem-dom has evolved in what I believe to still be a male-centered society. There has to be something to be said for men who identify as submissive and who seek to give up their power to a dominant woman. Why is this appealing? Why does it seem like a growing need in a society that still values the "male experience" more than the female experience?

Good question, OP. I totally can see your point, and your theories are thought provoking. I often wonder about stuff like this too.

Good questions. Why would someone think a submissive male was "giving up his power"? Believing that ALL males are naturally dominant simply is not true. Just as ALL females are not submissive, hell I know that I'm not submissive at all and I'm most definitely female.

As for the "male experience" well the media needs something to hype up to keep people glued to their TV sets. Although I know many people who appreciate also the "female experience". Things are changing, slowly but surely it takes time to evolve and the human species is far from done.

I do not believe one gender is superior to the other. We all have our positives and negatives because we are unique individuals. This is the problem when people generalize a part of the population, they tend to get it all wrong and then pat themselves on the back while they look foolish.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 5:53:01 AM

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*shrug* Spend some time in the Gorean forums..."men are superior to women" certainly flourishes there. I dunno, but I've encountered plenty of "men are superior to women" thinkers...and a large number of them that think a dominant woman just hasn't met the right master. Feh. Very annoying when you happen to BE a dominant woman.
I don't think either gender is superior, and I have serious doubts about whether there are any truly relevant, inherent differences between the genders in general.
In my experience, most of the male submissives who go on about the sort of things are people that, because we all can see they are just babbling out their sexual fantasies, never get taken seriously in ANY way, so their ramblings about this subject are just being disregarded as everything else is.
There are some thoughtful guys and women who do feel this way, and I don't agree with them anymore than I agree with the (MUCH greater in number, ime) thoughtful guys and women who feel that men are inherently superior/dominant/etc. That said, I believe in live and let live as long as they respect that philosophy as well.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 6:14:01 AM

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"I truly believe all females are superior to all males, and all males have the duty of serving, satisfying, and adoring all females as their goddesses and owners."

I see this line, or variations thereof, in a lot of submissve male profiles.

The only way that this would work as a sexual fantasy is if it isn't true in real life. If it was a popularly perceived perception then it wouldn't need to be stated, it would be self evident - therefore most people believe or ascribe to the theory of male dominance - including probably the males writing the above statement.

Do i think males are dominant - well, yes, but do i think males are "better than females" - hell, no. My feeling is is that comparing males and females is kind of like comparing mockingbirds and cardinals. They are both birds, but there are definite differences. Or comparing male and female eclectuses - they are so different that for many years people thought they were different species. One isn't inherently better than the other, they just are different. And thats all i can say about that.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 8:17:32 AM

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Most people who know me know me as one of the female supremacists around. And yes, it means something a little different than the stereotype people keep throwing around. But that's for another thread.

To answer your actual question, why should I have ANY problem if a female submissive or male dominant wants to state that in their lives it's all about male dominance or male supremacy? It doesn't bother me in any way, nor should it ever. If that's what a set of consenting adults have decided is the crux of their relationship dynamic, why does my opinion even matter to them?

That's the real foundation of the issue right there. The people who are against "the female is superior in opinion" are the ones who don't live that particular lifestyle. It would be the same thing with male supremacy.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 8:28:03 AM

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"all males are superior to all females"

This is a crock of stuff,I know some so call superior males that aren't good enough to compare to Diane and lots of women on collarme...Now don't get me wrong I believe the male should lead and the woman at least stand by his side.. for the record all aren't created equal.some are leaders and most are there to follow..as always just the views of this ol' master..

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 8:47:36 AM

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I've come to the personal conclusion that I really don't care what anyone else believes as long as they do not try to push me into their narrow little boxes. At least not to the extent that it has an obvious effect on my life.

If some chest thumping, ape of a guy, or his happy little slave girl.... wants to believe that all men are superiour.....I don't care.

If some, cob up her arse, queenofthefuckinuniverse, domme and her happy little puppy boy....... wants to believe all women are superiour........ I don't care about that either.

I don't think any one person is superiour to another. Dominance and submission are a different story. Add to that, the dynamics of each individual relationship, you've got all sorts of fun differences.

If the male dominant and female sub/slave want to believe that he is superiour, who cares. The same for the female dominant and male sub/slave. It isn't really any my business. The only time it is my business, is when they make it such a dogmatic absolute, that it gets in my face.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 8:48:05 AM

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i think women are superior to men ..they have the power of the pussy and if they say no to sex its no ,,men might be stronger physically but women are superior i believe

the little head goes nowhere unless the lady says yes ..good day mal

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 8:52:12 AM

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i think women are superior to men ..they have the power of the pussy and if they say no to sex its no ,,men might be stronger physically but women are superior i believe the little head goes nowhere unless the lady says yes ..good day mal

LOL...are you serious?? do you really think that no more hetero sex would take place and babies would cease to be born, if women simply said "no"?? hahahahaha....wow.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 8:52:27 AM

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Op,

Let me blow your mind here. I don't believe anyone is superior than the other. I believe that the Dom/me/sub/slave relationship is based on consent. As human beings, we are equal.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 8:57:50 AM

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i think women are superior to men ..they have the power of the pussy and if they say no to sex its no ,,men might be stronger physically but women are superior i believe the little head goes nowhere unless the lady says yes ..good day mal

LOL...are you serious?? do you really think that no more hetero sex would take place and babies would cease to be born, if women simply said "no"?? hahahahaha....wow.

Exactly. Not because men are superiour but because there are far too many places in this world where women cannot chose to submit. Instead they are forced. God forbid some of those children be little girls and worthless to the point, that the parents would prefer to kill them.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 9:03:24 AM

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i think women are superior to men ..they have the power of the pussy and if they say no to sex its no ,,men might be stronger physically but women are superior i believe the little head goes nowhere unless the lady says yes ..good day mal

HUMMMMMMMM interesting concept except MY property can't say NO.....or wouldn't dare...

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 9:29:15 AM

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but what about us females who want to serve females? and females only?

what about them men who only serve men???

wait...this is a hetero thread....nevermind...

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 9:35:02 AM

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Where do you get that it doesn't exist equally on both sides of the gender spectrum? I see a lot of guys who say that all women are lessor than men. And judging by the female profiles I see a lot of women who are with men who live by that idea.
Yes we see it in a lot of femdom profiles, but maybe that is because what is expected. Just look at that post from the man that wants to be owned by the bitch from hell.
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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 10:06:34 AM

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My views on this subject involve ZERO sexism.   I believe that superior like people can be of either sex.   The topic of what does or does not constitute a superior being is rather subjective in nature.   Even superior beings in history have proven to have flaws, weakness, and faults.

Just because one has obtained a more God or Godess like hood in history, does not mean they were not human.   Often it's through one's own strength where the true weakness rests.

Even today, people will Idolize other people. Shoving these people up on pedalstals.. watching them fall from grace.   Time and Time again, it's an insane process.

However, in reality it's these people who have the greatest amount of influence upon a mass amount of people.

I don't care if it was Mother Teresa, John Lennon, Alexander The Great, or the Celtic warrior princess Boudicca.

There are a number of superior bad people in history as well. Hitler was one of them. Let's not forget the likes of Lizzy Borden.   History is full of Villians and Heros.

In my mind, all these people were different, and superior in some way shape or form.   If not they would not be in our History Books. They would have turned out to be sublime blurbs at best.

Being superior in no regards is any indication that you are a GOD HERO, or a WICKED EVIL VILLIAN.

I laugh at the notion of either men or women being better compared to the other.

If both did not exist and balance one another out, there would be no human race.

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RE: "all males are superior to all females" - 6/24/2008 10:17:14 AM

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well i'll guess throw in my two cents, males and females are inherently different . males are more impulsive, aggressive and flexible, females are more patient, more cable of, seeing the "big" picture and nurturing. we need each other. how this need is expressed as being Dominant, submissive or plain vanilla . most subs say it because it is what they think a Domme wants to hear imo.

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