Aswad
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ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww
There is a question of surviving. If it comes down to surviving, and I cannot find anything to eat, and its a choice of dying or eating a person, I'll be eating a person......its no longer about morality, its about survival...
That is one of the differences between us: for me, morality most certainly applies to survival.
On occasions where my morality conflicts with survival, I act in line with my morality.
For you, eating someone in that scenario might be morally wrong, but you'd still act contrarily to your morals to survive. For me, I would hunt outside any community I had any loyalty to until that became impossible, then I'd subdivide the community in line with the principle of concentric circles of loyalty until only me and mine were left. At that point, certain promises come into play and place the decisions in other people's hands.
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When its not about survival, its just completely wrong to consider it in any glorified light......
Again, some substantiation to make this anything more than mere opinion might be good. As for opinions, as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with it that isn't covered by other aspects of morality, such as whatever points might cover assault, killing, etc. in your morality of choice.
And there's plenty of circumstances where those fly in mine, such as consent.
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Amputation is a travesty of the flesh.......
Travesty, eh... such a laden word. It amply conveys your emotions about it, in the same manner as I might- for some specific acts- use words like "hot" or "transcendental." But those aren't generally applied, since I usually try to stick to the more objective side of such controversial topics. I note that others would agree with my assessment, though. Opinions make for poor debate, so perphaps you could supply a line of reasoning instead?
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so, tell me how you cut your fingers off and tell me how it rationally makes sense, and you can explain then explain that to a psychiatrist, and explain how you won't do this again in the future?
I've never cut my fingers off. I have no attraction to cutting off parts of myself.
I have some interests along those lines when it comes to the opposite sex.
As for psychiatrists, I've had a few evaluations over the years from experts, due to an accident in the ER. I've also had a brain scan done. It's all normal. Nothing wrong. The psychiatrists are generally befuddled and pass me on to the professors and doctorates, who tend to admire me for my exactingly rational thought patterns, surprisingly accurate and detailed introspection, and extensive knowledge of how the human mind and brain work.
Quite frequently, the outcome has been that me and the psychiatric personell involved have come out of it with each of us knowing more about the psychiatric profession, cognitive sciences and pharmacology than we did when I came in. And it is not a rare outcome for these professionals to come out of it with their horizons broadened by a man who is able to articulate points of view that they had never considered, and place those within a framework they are familiar with and able to relate to.
In short: I pass with flying colors, and often stay in touch on a non-professional level.
Yet I would not mind a medium rare cunt filet, if one was offered.
Explaining that to a closed mind, however, is vaguely reminiscent of trying to fistfuck someone who isn't ready for it: I could do it, in most cases, but the consequences of doing so would be damages that I would not care to inflict. In the analogy, those are consequences of the tearing, interrupted blood flow, and so forth. In the case of the mind, they are the consequences of needing to introduce sufficient dissonance that it collapses part or all of a person's worldview. In both cases, it require the person to actually sit still, or be restrained.
I refrain from the former because it's simply not worth the jail time.
I refrain from the latter because I respect the human mind.
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you want rational or you want fake.....
I generally pick rational. Most of the time, if someone is too irrational, my interactions with them can only be productive in ways whose productivity is counterbalanced by the negative consequences it would have for me and/or those I care about. Thus, picking someone reasonably rational makes sense for me.
As for fake, that is like porn: sometimes good for transient amusement, no more.
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I'm going to be calling for the straight-jacket.....
Any time you want to.
I know where the ward is.
Have friends who work there.
I help them with the difficult cases.
Hell, I helped one pass his psych exams.
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So, yo asking for a rubber room or not?
First off, we don't use padded cells here, but rather employ padded restraints or major tranquilizers, since these are generally both more effective and less stigmatizing for the patient. Second, I have no use for a rubber room, and I know full well what it will take to end up in one, and have no intention of ever doing so.
What I am still waiting for is a rational line of reasoning from you.
Do not expect me to hold my breath, though.
I don't do breath play, either.
Health,
al-Aswad.
P.S.: I take it you will not be accepting the bet, then?
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"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.
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