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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 6:07:59 PM

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Popeye - I don't believe in pre-marital sex at all. It's a permanent spiritual bond with another person, that's supposed to be eternal, as love is.

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 6:11:24 PM

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i can't drive anymore. my disability led to an accident in april 2007 and then i finally hung up my keys for good in august 2007 after a second amputation surgery. i attempted to learn to drive with hand controls and found it difficult at the very least. i just couldn't coordinate using both hands at the same time and keeping things constant, pressure on the gas/brake control and the steering knob they have you use. i couldn't drive stick before either, lol. so it looks like i'll be scooting around on my electric scooter or having cub drive me. sometimes i miss it, but the thought of putting others at risk just really turns me off.
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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 6:15:03 PM

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PM hon, that is more than understandable and a wise decision! You tried harder to learn something new and scary than most would. Good luck with everything<<huggles>>!

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 6:30:01 PM

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My grandfather, for one was in the navy for two major wars, and was in the navy for a long time following that. And his brother. They were out to sea for long periods of time. They didn't have sex, they didn't get addicted to any drugs... a beer occassionally, and letters home.. and they sent most of their paychecks to their mom til they both got married when they were home on leave.. And they were loyal to their wives back home. And they are not asexual, as evidence by my being born. :P
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sad to hear our tax dollars pay to get army officers telling their crew to get drunk and get laid. That wouldn'tve happened in my grandfather's day..

Herimi - Im not going to get in a big argument with you because frankly I don't care enough to. As I recently told someone else on the other side here - sometimes the truth isnt what people want to hear.... Its very nice that you have such a great impression of grandpas navy etc...

HOWEVER, Im not likely to one day take my grandaughter on my knee and to regale her with tales of the debauchery I engaged in at Tailhook. I never told my stepdaughter a story that began "Once upon a time there was an aviator named Kermit, and these three townie girls Nikki, Kim, and Sarah... Nikki would huff and she'd puff and blow that cock down....." For christs sake I already almost had a heart attack when a neighbor of mine, who was also a Naval aviator, asked in front of BrittneyLee at a barbecue "Hey, what was the name of that bar in Po City where they had that bitch that would light and smoke a cigarette with her cooch..." My first wife was none too pleased to find out the history of the "squadron panties" I gave her... She assumed they were a gift for wives and girlfriends. She didnt realize that they were something we traded to hookups so that the ones they were wearing could be stapled to the bar wall for all eternity...

Believe what you want to believe - My dad was a Master Chief with 36 years in and from what I have heard from him, and every older officer and chief I ever served with, things were even WILDER in "the good old days" before we pulled out of the Phillipines.

I can tell you this... in the days before dont ask / dont tell - when gays were actively hunted.... The FEW sailors who wouldnt go "on the prowl" were looked at with "much curiosity"... Even in the modern "enlighteded kinder gentler Navy" I had a major problem with sailors picking on a guy who didnt play with the boys as I have recounted before in threads pertaining to DADT policy. As for marriage - ask them someday what a "fleet widow" is.....

Its nice to believe, but reality is a different story. For as long as there has beem a Navy, there have been drunken sailors prowling cathouses... (and ditto for soldiers - the whore camps followed the civil war troops from battlefield to battlefield.) I dont know what you think was different about your grandfathers day - but it has ALWAYS been that way, and it always will be that way... For christs sake, when I was an age I shall not disclose, my dad and a few of his men "bought me a proper piece of split tail" from a 19 year old stripper working in a bar frequented by Navy Divers. Thanks pop, thanks guys, but little did they know that I had already been getting my own from that auburn haired girl in school for a year :D

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 6:35:18 PM

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DA as a kid who grew up in and on military bases, yep, tons of debauchery, but an equal number of decent, good, and ethical men too. Oh, my two uncles both told me about the basket girls in Thailand...who knew for 5 bucks, huh?

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 6:36:06 PM

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I don't drive. I can and I have a driver's license, but I am a terrible driver. I really hate driving.

I have an assistant, and one day, every couple of weeks she and I get everything done that needs to get done. It sounds snotty, but I pay her $100 for an afternoon, or between $200-300 a month. I don't have a car payment, gas, or insurance to worry about and I have a great afternoon. I love this system.

In between visits, I use my bicycle to hit the grocery story or post office. I have movies delivered and I work from home, so it really works for me.

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 6:37:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: DomAviatorNot to mention, how do these guys get to work? What decent job doesnt require a valid drivers license?

Well, I'm a national civil servant/policy advisor. I don't know about the US, but down here that definately doesn't require a drivers license 9which i don't have). It only requires being at work during working hours. Visist outside the department are usually by public transport anyway. now, wouldn't that be a decent job?

In the US you pretty much need a drivers license. Even if the person has no need to ever operate a company vehicle - I still require and check a drivers license. The driving record goes to stability and reliability - it tells me as an employer if they are reckless, non-conformist, or a risk taker. (As well as whether they have other problems like alcoholism, child support entanglements etc) I also pull a credit report for the same reason, and to tell if I have someone who is in the shit up to their eyebrows and who is thus a security risk...

Aynne notes that its no big deal in construction and I agree with that - the construction trades people I use around my home or at rental properties are illegal aliens standing under an overpass waiting to be picked up for the day. LOL However, pretty much ANY job that requires any kind of background check, security clearance, restricted area badging, bonding, or the like in the USA requires a drivers license.

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 6:39:17 PM

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DA - I'm not denying there has always been promiscuous behavior. I'm saying, my grandfather specifically said, and lives his life as I said. And the life I have seen is proof of that. Not everyone in the military is a slutty one or a drunkard :P. Just because you and your family did something, doesn't mean that me and mine did the same.

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 6:59:45 PM

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DA - I'm not denying there has always been promiscuous behavior. I'm saying, my grandfather specifically said, and lives his life as I said. And the life I have seen is proof of that. Not everyone in the military is a slutty one or a drunkard :P. Just because you and your family did something, doesn't mean that me and mine did the same.

Ok well now that we cleared up that myself, my family, Popeye, Thad, Seadogret, MisterBeast etc were the slutty drunkard ones unlike your world of good christians... Welcome to the world of kink

I cant help but laugh when someone is judgemental on what is essentially a pervert site? LOL You do realize that we are ALL perves right? Including yourself? I mean you are the good christian girl who wants to be "abducted and raped in the woods" (post 40) but it has to be by a virgin with a valid drivers license - yet youre sitting in judgement of "slutty drunkards". Why does that strike me as a hilarious piece of irony???

Glass houses and all that...

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 7:26:32 PM

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hermione, I didn't want to go through the tedious process of quoting you on everything I was going to address. So I didn't do that. I understand that you are Christian, and I am not going to tell you that your beliefs are wrong. I've read the Bible, and I grew up in the Methodist faith. One of my closest friends is a Pentecostal, and I have been friends with him since I was 10 years old. We don't agree on everything, but I know he would be the first person to show up if I needed help. He's also the most non-judgmental person I have ever known. He really embodies what Christianity means when it comes to forgiveness and the Golden Rule. I have a lot of admiration for people that can live their life on the model of Jesus Christ.

I also think that it's nice that your family all have carried on this tradition of waiting to be married before engaging in sex. Personally, I couldn't do that and I know my father and grandfathers didn't do it. But it's perfectly cool that you and yours have that tradition.

However I am going to give you some advice. You are not going to meet the man you're looking for on a site like this. I'm not trying to be mean or judgmental. But right now you are sitting on the fence. You have these beliefs and you also have these desires. You know as well as I do that impure thoughts are just as sinful as the actual act of adultury in Christianity. The guys that are telling you that they share your beliefs on a kink site are lying to you. I don't care what they tell you, but they are not being honest with you. Men do not come on these types of sites looking to meet good, Christian girls.

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 7:27:00 PM

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I was referring to the military scene you depicted. Sailors getting drunk and going to whore houses or one-nighters with foreign girls. That *is* a text book definition of druken sluttiness. It doesn't have to be judgemental. I can be kinky in a Biblical, monogamous commited way.. in a marriage.. nothing wrong with that.

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 7:32:37 PM

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Lusting after someone is a sin.. hoping for a certain type of relationship with your future spouse isn't wrong.. it's not a dilemna for me... I don't fantasize about random people I can't have and such. I fantasize about the day I'm married and free to be me. Well I'm here, and I'm a good Christian girl. Why can't there be a good boy here too? I've met several that say they are. Why should I disbelieve if everything seems in order? I've caught some lying, but I'm usually smart enough to be able to tell the difference, hopefully.. I'm not trying to judge you all. I'm saying people like me are not the absolutely extreme minority you all think, and everyone in my family is not a liar just because you all do the stuff you do. I am there for my very much non-Christian friends (I don't meet many Christians in my day to day life...). I'm even a very political democrat.... and my best friends are gay guys who happen to not share my beliefs in any way.. and I'm there for them, as I should be...

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 7:33:34 PM

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Damn it DA, that cracked me up.

Oh by the way, we do not hire illegal aliens here, this is Maine for god's sake. I think it is 99.9999999% white. I just meant that if they do not have a license I don't really care as long as they can get themselves to work. I mean foremen, etc. must have one, but the laborers? I don't really care. But in fairness, I would not date a guy with no license or vehicle, sorry, but true.

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DA - I'm not denying there has always been promiscuous behavior. I'm saying, my grandfather specifically said, and lives his life as I said. And the life I have seen is proof of that. Not everyone in the military is a slutty one or a drunkard :P. Just because you and your family did something, doesn't mean that me and mine did the same.

Ok well now that we cleared up that myself, my family, Popeye, Thad, Seadogret, MisterBeast etc were the slutty drunkard ones unlike your world of good christians... Welcome to the world of kink I cant help but laugh when someone is judgemental on what is essentially a pervert site? LOL You do realize that we are ALL perves right? Including yourself? I mean you are the good christian girl who wants to be "abducted and raped in the woods" (post 40) but it has to be by a virgin with a valid drivers license - yet youre sitting in judgement of "slutty drunkards". Why does that strike me as a hilarious piece of irony??? Glass houses and all that...

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 7:41:33 PM

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hermione, read this, memorize it, and believe it. Slaveboy is right. Yes, some men here want a woman to love and cherish, and they are monogamous...but they are not exactly altar boys sweetie, and they generally are not here looking for virgin christians waiting for marriage before having sex. Unless you want to pretend for a night or .... nevermind

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However I am going to give you some advice. You are not going to meet the man you're looking for on a site like this. I'm not trying to be mean or judgmental. But right now you are sitting on the fence. You have these beliefs and you also have these desires. You know as well as I do that impure thoughts are just as sinful as the actual act of adultury in Christianity. The guys that are telling you that they share your beliefs on a kink site are lying to you. I don't care what they tell you, but they are not being honest with you. Men do not come on these types of sites looking to meet good, Christian girls.

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 8:04:46 PM

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This may sound like the oddest question ever.... but is it a big red flag if a Master, or really, any person won't/can't drive? Every single person I seem to have a relationship with in this lifestyle can't/won't drive at all, or not much. Often, they won't tell me why, or have a very lame excuse. I'm going bonkers. What does this mean?? And in all cases, it actually has nothing to do with DUI's. I've heard various excuses. Childhood issues, car accidents that scared them, no money for a car, their car was vandalized, they let their license expire, interstates make them nervouse, to they just want to rely on public transportation only..

IMO:

Plenty of scammers could tell you the same thing. It is a statement that scammers might use to try to get you to eventually send them money.

I live in CA. If a sub does not have a car, or drive: Instant red flag and block.

DUI's indicate someone who was out of control enough that they lost their right to drive. heads up buttercup!

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 8:21:50 PM

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Slaveboy, kudos on your post! I seem to recall that you are the son of a military officer and since whe wasnt deflowered on his wedding bed as the angels sang and showered the happy couple with rose pedals I can only assume that you too are the son of a slutty drunkard! My condolences brother Slaveboy but you are in good company!

I too am a Christian - raised catholic, but became Southern Baptist in the interest of peace and tranquility.

Got my ass dunked in the bay and everything. Amen! Hallejulia! Pass the fried chicken sister Britt! Oddly enough, the baptists dont judge... Whatever happens saturday night is OK as long as on Sunday morning you "accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and ask his forgiveness". It works out VERY WELL

Now I have to commend what you said specifically :

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The guys that are telling you that they share your beliefs on a kink site are lying to you. I don't care what they tell you, but they are not being honest with you. Men do not come on these types of sites looking to meet good, Christian girls.

and I will expand on it. Speaking as the king of the slutty drunkards, someone whose number of sexual partners exceeds the square of his age, I would liek to point out that men will tell you whatever they think you want to hear if it will enable tem to tap your ass... Will you respect me in the morning? Sure I will, its not like I think youre a tarmac Deb right now and I dont even want to know your name.. LOL Think Im kidding- for the first week of our relationship I knew my first wife as "fun blonde chick I drank belly shots from and who gave up her bra as the blindfold for the "are they real or are they silicone" townie girl tits contest..." Word of advice on that one... You know why men use terms of endearment? Either because we dont remeber your name or because we dont want to accidentally call you the wrong name. Hunny, baby, etc is person neutral and enabled me to get through a week of dating her before I heard someone else call her "Sarah".

"Oh hunny, oh baby, yeah , yeah baby mmmmmmmm" is a GREAT way to avoid moaning out "Oh Cassie" and thus letting her know that you have been blown by her sister.

Men will tell you whatever it takes, whatever they think you want to hear, and the men on a site like this who tell you they are a virgin are yanking your crank.

The key to any sucessful hunting trip is to go where the game is. If I were to grab my shotgun and dog and go moseying around downton Houston, Im not gonna get any pheasants unless I went to the fucking zoo. LOL Likewise your chances of bagging a virgin bible thumping Dom on a kink site is roughly equal to that of catching a blue marlin in a freshwater pond.

Plus - once again - I fail to see how a virgin can be a dom. If you have never had icecreme you dont know what flavor you will be. How the hell do you know your virgin dom wont roll over on your wedding night and say "gee you know this would be better if I was licking your toes while you put the dildo in my ass" LOL I mean really... As I told someone on the other side there was a member of my ex-wifes family who married "a virgin" and three months later she walked in and found him sucking his former roomates cock! When they got the divorce, she still hadnt had vaginal intercourse with him- only anal for "ahem" family planning reasons" of course... It was no surprise to me, or my ex-father in law, but then again we were slutty drunkards

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 8:24:54 PM

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It's not impossible for a decent guy to come to a site like this looking for a woman.

In fact,a man who was more moral than amoral might find great satisfaction in seeking someone with the loyalty to be true to him. SOME D/s actually arises from more pure roots. Noisy, narcissistic perverts aside.

WAY aside.

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 8:25:50 PM

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Slaveboy is right. Yes, some men here want a woman to love and cherish, and they are monogamous...but they are not exactly altar boys sweetie, and they generally are not here looking for virgin christians waiting for marriage before having sex. Unless you want to pretend for a night or .... nevermind

Thank you Aynne. You know, I'm monogamous. I don't have the energy or the patience to deal with more than one woman at a time (although I admit to having threesome fantasies like every man on the planet

). But, I'd very much like to meet one girl that I can fall in love with. I've never cheated on anyone I've ever been with (it's true, believe it or not.). But I have been around long enough to know bullshit when I hear it. I am a man, and I very familiar with the manipulative things that we do in order to fulfill our sexual fantasies.

I will readily admit to dating vanilla girls and trying to manipulate them into doing kinky things with me when I was younger. I know men lie to women to get laid, because I have done it. It's hard to tell a stranger about all the perverted shit you're into when you first meet them. So most of us have stretched the truth to get what we want in the past. Now I don't do that anymore, because it's more trouble than it's worth. You may be able to talk someone in to things, but that doesn't mean they are going to like it. When they don't like it, and they are only doing it to please you....disaster is going to happen.

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 8:33:01 PM

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I'll get in a car and drive it anytime I deem it necessary. I mean no plates no taillights whatever, I do not care about the law.

But I do not find breaking the law necessary right now.

Some people never drive.

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RE: Is there something wrong with a Master who can't/wo... - 7/18/2008 8:45:15 PM

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Slaveboy, kudos on your post! I seem to recall that you are the son of a military officer and since whe wasnt deflowered on his wedding bed as the angels sang and showered the happy couple with rose pedals I can only assume that you too are the son of a slutty drunkard! My condolences brother Slaveboy but you are in good company!

I too am a Christian - raised catholic, but became Southern Baptist in the interest of peace and tranquility. Got my ass dunked in the bay and everything. Amen! Hallejulia! Pass the fried chicken sister Britt! Oddly enough, the baptists dont judge... Whatever happens saturday night is OK as long as on Sunday morning you "accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and ask his forgiveness". It works out VERY WELL

Yep Aviator, my dad is a retired Colonel in the Army. I imagine you and I heard very similar stories growing up. My father met my mother at the Officer's Club in Ft. Benning, GA. My mom grew up in Columbus. I know damn well that she wasn't a virgin when she met my father. She never came right out and told me that, but I understood that she had other men in her life before she met my dad. My mom was one of those girls that went to Officer's Clubs looking for men. I don't think of her as a slut; I think of her as being smart. She wanted a good, decent, hard working man and she landed one. Thank God, because your's truly made it into the world as a result of that union. When I was in college I had a lot of history professors that would talk negatively about the Vietnam War. My response was thank God for that war. My parents would have never met had that war not happened.

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