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Seeking some law advice - 7/18/2008 6:36:15 PM

LadyKestral

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I am seeking some advice on my contract for my submissive/slave.... W/we wish to make it as legal and binding and iron clad as possible and I have the contract but i would like to make sure it is within legal bounds for all of us and within the guidelines of Ohio state law...... please get in touch if you are able to help or know someone who can......
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RE: Seeking some law advice - 7/19/2008 11:33:21 AM

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I do not have a legal degree, but do work for a law firm.

My general advice for this would be:

1. REMOVE all references to sex from the contract. You can talk about clothing, even nudity, but unless you live in one of the Nevada counties that have legalized prostitution, forget about sex in the contract.

2. Clean up all the other BDSM talk as well. Don't talk about pain, talk about potential pain and damages. Don't talk about slavery/slave/master.

3. Base it on a housing contract, not an employment contract. Make no referee at all to the top providing any renumeration. Better to talk about providing services. You do not want to end up as the bottom's legal employer, than employment laws designed to prevent sexual harassment might apply

4. Once you have done this, if the contract still looks like something you want to sign, hire a real lawyer in the state of Ohio.

If you do all of that, I think it might hold up in a court of law.

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RE: Seeking some law advice - 7/20/2008 1:55:35 AM

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I too work in a law office, and respectfully disagree with previous advice (although unlike the other poster, I am not qualified to offer a legal opinion, however if he is a lawyer, he is certainly entitled to do so, but I do not intend to do so here, this is only my experience as a lay person = DISCLAIMER). The kind of contract you are seeking is not "legally" worth the paper it is written on, unless of course it is something akin to a "pre-marital, cohabitational agreement". Otherwise, that kind of contract is a "faith in my partner" kinda thing and would have no legal standing in a legal environment (well you could get yourself involved in costly litigation attempting to prove otherwise), other then perhaps as evidence in any criminal proceeding as to the consenuality of any activity. Leaving any reference to BDSM out of the contract, and pursuing a cohabitation agreement dealing with financial and property matters, which even then can be overturned by an appeallant court, everything is subjective and one thing I have been taught.......and know...........is nothing is engraved in stone. It is amazing sometimes what an appeallant Court will find, and trust me you do not want to be paying for making a predicent setting case. Full and Final Releases can be set aside if the circumstances are right. Usual cavaet.........byer beware.

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RE: Seeking some law advice - 7/20/2008 10:45:45 AM

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You might check the Kink Aware Professional site for lawyers in your part of the country. I think www.NCSfreedom.org has a link.

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RE: Seeking some law advice - 7/20/2008 11:08:51 AM

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Thank you so much.....

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RE: Seeking some law advice - 7/20/2008 11:16:49 AM

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also how do I get rid of the vanilla cone....? so not me......

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RE: Seeking some law advice - 7/20/2008 5:17:01 PM

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Just keep posting, the more posts you make the more twisted, devient, etc you become.

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RE: Seeking some law advice - 8/18/2008 12:18:08 AM

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I don't know if you realized you put your post on the Artisian boad.. thats where artists post thier wears.. you may get more hits by actually posting this on an appropreate board?
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RE: Seeking some law advice - 8/20/2008 5:16:43 PM

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There are places, such as the much missed Academy Training Center, which used a contract based on a voluntary commitment agreement granting care and custody.

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RE: Seeking some law advice - 8/21/2008 2:40:07 PM

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If you have, or are interested in obtaining Screw the Roses, Send me the Thorns... I believe the book has a basic contract in it...can't remember correctly if it def does its been awhile since I looked at it

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