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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 10:08:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I think you are right. One is a facillitator, and the poor men are just objects.
now I feel sad.
Kyst

I think it goes beyond that. The men aren't just objects, they're phalluses! Just as women are often seen as a pair of breasts, or a nice "booty", these men are seen by the measure of their girth and length!

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I can't believe I am saying this, but I agree with you Pixel.
There are men that are looking for women to facilitate/procure them Real phalluses{ big ones usually preferred}

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 11:04:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: MzMia
I can't believe I am saying this, but I agree with you Pixel.
There are men that are looking for women to facilitate/procure them Real phalluses{ big ones usually preferred}

LOL Mz Mia! Great wonders never cease to amaze me!

I sincerly and humbly thank you for the compliment. While I'm at it, welcome back to the "Ask a Mistress forum". It's been quite a long time since I've seen you posting here until the last week or so. Perhaps we'll find common ground more often.

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 11:41:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats
As in real life "forced" bi scenes, the Domme seems mostly superfluous: randomly injected, in an attempt to make it "not queer."

Whenever someone expresses that opinion, I wonder about the breadth of their experience with "forced bi scenes." It seems somewhat (though still not entirely) reasonable for one to draw that conclusion if one's knowledge is based solely on boys who fantasize about "forced bi," and they've never imagined it done in any other context. However, as with most BDSM activities, while some engage in such because they enjoy the activity in and of itself, others derive their enjoyment exclusively from the "forced" aspect, and still others do not enjoy it at all (nor fantasize about it) but simply submit. It always surprises me how many people have no trouble understanding a non-masochistic submissive's willingness to undergo pain to please their dom(me), but cannot understand a straight submissive's willingness to engage in activities with MSS for the same reason.

Oh, I've played with subs who like to be "forced." I "force" them to do things that I like.

My experience with "forced" bi is this:
I have NEVER introduced the idea, as it doesn't appeal to me (unless it's Jonathan Rhys Meyers doing the asking and Clive Owen is available to session with us.) Yet, it always comes up-- breathlessly -- as something I might MAKE them do. For me. *eyeroll* It reminds me of being 6 and volunteering to take extra doses of antibiotics under the guise of good behavior and compliance, when really, it tasted like bubble gum and I couldn't get enough.

If the Domme is into it, and she actually forces him, fine. Though I can't say that I personally know of anyone who has ever done "forced" bi because it was her idea. And I would NEVER take a sub's suggestion as to what I might make him do: the fact that he suggested it makes it more than a little suspect.

And, as in my experience, this story is not based on a Domme's desire to see him service men: it's about her wanting to win a bet. Her sexuality, her desires are markedly absent.

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 11:43:51 AM

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Wank fodder.

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 11:50:20 AM

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I don't care much for the story.

That said, I happen to be one who likes the forced bi scenario, but in a context where its done strictly because I want it. I enjoy watching it -- with the right mix of people. One of the people in my life right now.. I can't WAIT to do this with. He'd enjoy it, but more than that, I know he'll be doing it because it pleases me. He wouldn't do it on his own.

*shrug*

I think there are more of us out there than you realize.

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 12:19:17 PM

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If a male submissive might be permitted to put a few thoughts forward for consideration by the CollarMe Literary Appreciation Society…

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

My response was more to do with what I see as his attitude toward women, rather than his desire for multiple cocks in various oriffices. In the story that dominant is clearly only out to win a bet. She is simply the means for him to get what he wants. For that matter, the men are simply cocks. I am not seeing a great need for women in this picture. But on further thought, the men are equally diminished. If a person doesnt like men and doesnt like women, what is left?
Kyst

Er… submission? Suffering?

I don’t mean to be flippant, but I thought the eroticism in the story was supposed to come from the situation – from the idea of the male protagonist being subjected to unpleasant, degrading treatment and being helpless to escape or resist. Of course, this does objectify both the women and the “boys” who receive the oral sex, in the sense that they’re reduced to the status of people who provide unpleasant and degrading treatment for the delectation of the reader (although not the protagonist, who wants to escape). But then, the boys are objectifying the protagonist by reducing him to a provider of oral sex, and the woman is objectifying all of them to the extent that they’re there primarily to help her win her bet. So all the characters in the story are being treated as objects, which is often the case in erotic fiction. I can see how this would be off-putting for a reader who was hoping for more emotional interaction among the characters, but it didn’t bother me. Perhaps this is because I rather like the idea of being used as the mere object of someone else’s sadistic pleasure.

About the story itself… I enjoyed the part when the man was standing outside the hotel room in a state of fear and anticipation, and I put a lot of that kind of thing into my own writing. Unfortunately, I thought it went a bit downhill after that. The idea of the protagonist being made helpless and then getting a lot more than he bargained for does have a certain appeal, but I thought the writing was a bit too flatly descriptive and the nature of the protagonist’s ordeal was too over-the-top to be believable. A roster of 100 men interested in receiving oral sex from another male, all with cocks exceeding 8” in length? Twenty to thirty hours of continuous throat-raping? I found it impossible to suspend my disbelief. I think the story would have worked better with only one or two men (easily enough to be scary, if properly described), and more small, vivid details to create a sense of reality. It bothered me a bit that none of the characters even had names, for example.

I do enjoy reading erotic fiction, when it’s well done. In my humble opinion a good erotic story, even a wildly fantastic one, can be much more than a “wank fantasy” if it’s well-written and intelligently conceived. However, I agree with LadyPact that the OP’s story seemed out of place on this discussion board. Perhaps CollarMe should set up a dedicated literary area?

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 12:37:53 PM

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I've stayed off this thread because I refuse to read the opening post. However, I've had femdom (and femswitch) friends for quite a while, and I must say that if I had a dollar for every time one of them asked me to suck a cock just for her, I'd have more than a couple extra bucks.

I am sure part of it is the "let's poke the guydom and make him squirm" game, but a lot of the comments have been for real, including some straight-up propositions for scenes. Maybe my self-identification of "Whacked" instead of (pick one of Dom/sub/switch) causes me to hang with others who blur the lines. It's not just dudes who have forced malebi fantasies.

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 12:41:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats
If the Domme is into it, and she actually forces him, fine. Though I can't say that I personally know of anyone who has ever done "forced" bi because it was her idea.

Maybe we'll run into each other someday. We apparently live in the same city. :)

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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats
And I would NEVER take a sub's suggestion as to what I might make him do: the fact that he suggested it makes it more than a little suspect.

this story is not based on a Domme's desire to see him service men: it's about her wanting to win a bet. Her sexuality, her desires are markedly absent.

I'm in complete agreement with you on both these points.
My only objection (and I apologize for singling out your comment as an example of the sort of thing I hear frequently) was that your earlier comment began with "As in real life" rather than something like "As in my experience," as your more recent explanation clarified.

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 12:45:07 PM

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I was just writing a story btw. This does not represent my true wishes as a submissive.. or does it indicate what I am looking for. Our minds are all spectrums of different light, interests, passions and auras. Simply out, I was just curious more on a basic level of what a Domme thinks when reading content of this nature. And I did get my answers! :) I love to flow of free thought and opinion... but I am most fascinated by the assumptions made of me on an individual basis, on what was a mere dirty piece of creative writing (and honestly not that well written).

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 12:58:41 PM

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undergroundsea,

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Incidentally, the subject line keeps throwing me off with both words Wonder and Domme in it ;-)

Me too!

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 1:03:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: pixelslave

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
I think you are right. One is a facillitator, and the poor men are just objects.
now I feel sad.
Kyst

I think it goes beyond that. The men aren't just objects, they're phalluses! Just as women are often seen as a pair of breasts, or a nice "booty", these men are seen by the measure of their girth and length!

But... it's just a fantasy story. Aren't fantasies supposed to be all about the person who creates them? Objectifying a mere figment of one's own imagination may indicate a lack of effort or creativity, and certainly some additional character-building would have made for a better story (though, really, where does one draw the line? Should the writer have created a distinct personality for each of the 100ish men in the story? [That actually could be an amusing exercise--to come up with a unique character sketch and bit of back story explaining how each ended up there.] Would it be ok to objectify 98 of them, as long as the domme and a couple of boys had more depth?), but comments here seem to have moved well beyond the realm of literary criticism. Or perhaps every shallow bit of prose or porn makes Kyst feel sad?

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 1:19:27 PM

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I have to admit I am not fond of bad porn. When you take the time to write something it should touch someone. While not necessarily requiring a backstory, one should at least be in the mind of the writer.
<g> but for you.. and your domliness I will concede to feeling that bad porn is bad porn. LOL does that make you feel better?
Kyst

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ORIGINAL: TwoNYCDommes
Or perhaps every shallow bit of prose or porn makes Kyst feel sad?

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 1:22:27 PM

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bottomboy81,

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ElanSubdued:
Oh contraire. There are women who I call nasty names because I *like* them. This is, of course, limited to women where this type of repartee works mutually between us.

bottomboy81:
That’s in the BDSM world which is mostly behind doors. I am talking about the real world. Work, vanilla social gatherings.

Where do you get the idea that BDSM is mostly behind doors? Every BDSM friendship and/or relationship is different, and the way the partners express themselves and communicate is equally unique (regardless of whether this is in a work environment, at vanilla gatherings, or otherwise).

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You have to admit that many dommes on this site try to put it over subs just because they are dommes. Meaning, they expect every sub to speak to them in a submissive manner which is a similar or same manner as of such in a commitment when there is no commitment or attachment whatsoever.

If I can say this politely, it's my belief you're very mistaken here. On the Internet, you'll meet all kinds to people (some who will be to your liking and many who will not). Likewise, depending on where you surf, the people you meet are quite different. The Ask A Mistress forum is a good example. There are very few (if any) of the "put it over on subs" people you speak of here. In fact, when this type of person posts here, they are exposed and get chewed up rather quickly - by the entire community. To paraphrase Lynnxz, if you view the world through tainted glasses, that's all you'll see. Thus, instead of painting all dominas with a dirty brush, why not join in and contribute in a more positive way? Just a suggestion. Of course, you're free to post on the forums however you wish. I understand your style is direct and I think this is fine. However, categorizing kinky folk (and people in general) with broad, defamatory labels isn't likely to go over well around here.

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 1:30:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
I have to admit I am not fond of bad porn. When you take the time to write something it should touch someone. While not necessarily requiring a backstory, one should at least be in the mind of the writer.
<g> but for you.. and your domliness I will concede to feeling that bad porn is bad porn. LOL does that make you feel better?
Kyst

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ORIGINAL: TwoNYCDommes
Or perhaps every shallow bit of prose or porn makes Kyst feel sad?

I'm not really fond of porn in general. I always assumed that most of the commercial stuff is designed to touch mainstream audiences, and amateur stuff is designed to touch the creator, since hardly any of it seems designed for me.

(Thanks for recognizing my light tone, by the way. I realize now that I forgot to add a smiley face.)

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 2:01:51 PM

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What do I think? it was a bratty waste of a good Domme time, and nothing to do with a Domme's pleasure.

Next time, entitle your fantasy fiction properly [e.g., " i'm conflicted about my homosexual desires and need to feel 'forced' "] and don't bother Us.

BTW, if any Dommes had 'x' number of men in a hotel room, We wouldn't waste them like that!

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 2:18:15 PM

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Point taken. "In my experience..." it is.

Maybe we'll bump into each other some time!

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 8:36:40 PM

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a mere dirty piece of creative writing (and honestly not that well written).

We'll give you that.

But if you're going to ask what people think - then be prepared to hear what people think.

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/25/2008 9:49:57 PM

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My opinion? How dramatic and how boring, lol. Silly scenario. Might be what some submissives dream about, but IMHO has very little to do with bdsm.

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/26/2008 1:40:11 AM

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But... it's just a fantasy story. Aren't fantasies supposed to be all about the person who creates them?

Yes, I'd agree with that. However, those are usually reserved for sharing with someone who has an intimate interest in the person who has the fantasy; not for sharing with the general public.

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Objectifying a mere figment of one's own imagination may indicate a lack of effort or creativity, and certainly some additional character-building would have made for a better story (though, really, where does one draw the line? Should the writer have created a distinct personality for each of the 100ish men in the story? [That actually could be an amusing exercise--to come up with a unique character sketch and bit of back story explaining how each ended up there.]

LOL! Only a Domme or a school teacher would think of such an assignment, regardless of how appropriate it might be to help someone become sensitized toward thinking of others as people and not as mere objects or body parts to use as part of their fantasies!

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Would it be ok to objectify 98 of them, as long as the domme and a couple of boys had more depth?), but comments here seem to have moved well beyond the realm of literary criticism.

No one is perfect, and I was taught that getting 98 out of a 100 correct was usually worth an "A" when I was in school!

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Or perhaps every shallow bit of prose or porn makes Kyst feel sad?

Can't speak for Kyst, but it simply bores me. I need to be mentally stimulated and not just visually overwhelmed with body parts. Maybe I'm wired to think more like a woman or perhaps was socialized differently than most other men, I don't really know.

I've simply learned that there's more to life than bodies and body parts. I want to connect with the heart and mind of the other. Allowing them inside my mind is the only way they're likely to know how to turn me on. I want to help them learn what my "buttons" are so they can push them at will; teaching me theirs as well so I can do the same for them. That for me is hotter than any fantasy story or X-rated flick that will ever be produced by anyone else!

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RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story - 7/26/2008 3:43:46 AM

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I was just writing a story btw. This does not represent my true wishes as a submissive.. or does it indicate what I am looking for.

This is an interesting question in itself. Does a writer of porn fiction place themself within the story, or do they write that which others want to hear ?

I had an ironical smile at all the mentions of wank fodder. Is that not what erotic porn is about ?

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