louisfceline
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I'm trying to respond to this with out drawing down Mod XI's wrath.
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ORIGINAL: louisfceline
If you are content to fight killers without killing I say have at it. But I think we've seen enough examples of how high ideals won't stand up to a loaded weapon. If you think it will work for you, go for it. I prefer to give myself a fighting chance. I'm sorry if that offends anyone as you insist it does but I have more confidence in fighting fire with fire.
Read a news account of the event this thread is about please.
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I had no intention of insulting anyone over the victims of 911. In one respect you are correct in that they had no idea of what was happening. But I doubt you'd find a group flying on a plane today who would allow similar circumstances to be executed without challanging them ever again. In fact, the last plane didn't. That is the point I was making. Again, I'm sorry it offends you. We learned a lesson that day. I say we don't forget it.
Yes, things changed that day. That doesn't change the fact that you wrote this:
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This is the state of thinking that left plane loads of people paralized with fear on 911. We sat there and waited for someone to establish authority.
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Lynching was done to innocent people because of thier race. Suggesting that that is what I had in mind is a stretch and it has nothing to do with the point I was making. It also suggests that I too am racist because I don't feel we should tolerate crime. But unlike yourself, I won't bother to getting insulted by it. If you can't tell the difference between dragging a man from his home because of his race vs. dragging a scumbag from under the rock he's hiding from because he just sold your daughter a hot dose of exctasy maybe you do belong on the sidelines.
No. Lynching wasn't always about race and guilty men certainly got lynched. The term likely derives from Charles Lynch who hunted and punished royalists during the Revolutionary War.
No matter. Any place where trees start bearing that strange fruit again best be careful starting their cars.
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Foolish machismo? I'll bet the those that died at Brown's Chicken in Palatine could have used some of that foolish machismo. I'll bet the people in more than one school shooting could have used some foolish machismo. The members of that church were lucky but anyone who wants to make it a general practice to fight bullets with fists will inevitably teach the rest of us how ineffective it is. There's a saying about bringing a knife to a gunfight for a reason.
Anyone who thinks a gun makes you brave or who thinks taking successful action while unarmed is luck is a fool.
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Are you accusing me of being afraid because you think I it will shake my confidence or insult me? In fact, I'm not afraid. I prepare for the worst knowing it could become reality. Back in the 90's we saw riots in LA. The shop owners who were armed saved their buisnesses.Those that were armed protected what was theirs. Those that were unarmed got the Reginald Denny treatment. They were physically beaten by those that took advantage of the crisis. But that wasn't my original point. In fact the point I was making with the statement about protecting what is ours had more to do with our willingness to meet these things head on and not wait for someone else to do it for us. If you choose not to have a gun that's your business. I have a right to own one and I excersise that right without appology. I would never make the claim that every American should have a gun. If you are not comfortable with one, I don't suggest having one. But some of us are comfortable with owning them. And I feel I should be able to protect myself with it if the situation arises. If you're content to talk your way out of things, you may have a better command of the language than I do. I prefer using the language these scumbags understand.
Anything I write here is likely to get me in trouble with the wonderful Mod XI so just assume my contempt and scorn.
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The good old days never existed? Did we have sniper shootings in the "good old days"? Did we have mass school shootings in the "good old days"?
Uhh... Yes!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman#Tower_shootings
One of the worst ever and before you or I were born.
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Did our schools have metal detectors? We may have had crime but I think you'd find less of those murders targeting people the criminals didn't even know. Maybe you did in your neighborhood but I didn't. In my neighborhood that didn't happen and no one was hung from a tree. If you want to believe that the visciousness of today's crimes hasn't increased since "the good old days" you can continue to deny it. But putting our heads in the sand is exactly what I believe makes these problems worse.
12,240 murders occured in 1967, the year I was born. The population was 197,457,000. For a murder rate of 0.06 per 1000.
20,710 murders occured in 1974. The population was 211,392,000. For a murder rate of 0.09 per 1000.
17,034 murders occured in 2006, latest year I could find numbers for. The population was 299,398,484. For a murder rate of 0.05 per 1000.
The "skyrocketing" violent crime rate is an oft told lie but it remains a lie.
If you're having a hard time responding without drawing the moderators wrath, I don't suppose you are used to hearing opposing view points. Yet you sound like many of the people that claim to be open minded. I don't need to harbor "content and scorn" over a different opinion. I can manage.
As for the comments about 911, you're right I did write that. Unfortunately what I wrote was true. But I think you're getting off topic and ignoring my point so we'll skip that.
You seem to be an expert on lynching. When the term is used, its most often used to describe a racial killing. But since you've opened things up to other possibilities such as guilty murderers being dragged from their homes for some vigilante justice I'll say that it may bother you but it won't bother me. In fact, it might highlight the fact that the public has had enough of the court system and their inability or unwillingness to deal with crime. In the past few years we've seen some great examples of the courts and cities in the US either ignoring crimes (illegal aliens) or ignoring the severity of crimes and handing out a slap on the wrist (child preditors). Yeah, I'm ok with the community taking matters in their own hands because I'm sure NOT ok with what the courts are doing.
As for your stats on crime, I assume you have reviewed the FBI's figures on crime. Since 1960 (as far back as I can find on thier website) the number of crimes in every category have risen. The only explanation you offer is that its keeping pace with population. That's great. Explain that to the families of violent crimes. Tell them not to worry because statistically we aren't any worse. The number of occurances is up and I don't care that population has kept pace. If that helps you ignore it, so be it. But again, all of this has taken us off of the points I was making. I'll leave you to have the last word.
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