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Are there therapists who deal with issues surrounding w... - 7/27/2008 5:10:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know like the pychological effects of trying to loose weight and  emotional affects and such?
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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 5:14:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		You could possibly look for someone who specializes in eating disorders .. he/she may also deal with overeating issues.  PM me if you'd like further info.  

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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 5:20:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not so much over eating, as it's stress in finding healthy foods I can eat with out a ton of prep. Like today we were supposed to have hotdogs and I was flabbergasted to find out one hot dog has1030 grams of sodium, that was 48 percent of a dietary needs, and 300 calories and, when I mentioned it I got a bunch of emotional flak over it .

It's more of discouragement, frusteration, the over all sense that I might as well give up trying to loose weight and eay healthy cause it stresses me out, to try and find things that are healthy or you think you're doing right by yourself , and then you find out that what you thought was healthy, was indeed and infact loaded with crap.  Or it's most days about not being hungry so you don't eat all day then by 10:30 pm at night you're so ravenous and so hungry and so misreable you grab the first availible thing and cram it down your gullet, like say a can of beans an cream cheese.

Somedays I just get so frusterated an discouraged and I feel that I should just go ahead eat what I want not care about health an die by 40 an then at least I'd be happy.

My mom also hounds on me all the time about my eating , and how I am going to be 500 pounds by the time I am 26, but when I try to make smart choices for myself like telling her, so and so a fod item is bad for you cause all the calories fat and salt, she just rolls her eyes an gets a tude.

So either way I can't win. If I stick up for myself and refuse to eat the meal she fixed , even politely, she gets mad and in a huff, if I DO eat the meal, my efforts at eating healthy are being tanked. ect ect ect.

I'm also getting a ton of conflicting messages, about what is and isn';t healty, like one neighbor says never eat bread and never eat potato's and then one person over here says  pshah potato's, with out all the crap on it are the healthier things you can eat. I don't know where to turn or who to listen to, except my dr. anbd I can't go calling her up to confirm or deny ever rumor about food I;ve heard lol.

I really have no moral support for eating right since my whole family are food junkies and wouldn't know what healthy eating was if it walked up and introduced them.

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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 5:31:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you would be better served finding a nutritionist. Learn what foods to eat, how best to make them or find them since you don't cook much.
Yes it is hard and discouraging when you are trying to eat well and people comment on the food, maybe just eat what is right for you instead of sharing a full meal of choices. Instead of having that hot dog, eat more coleslaw and maybe a turkey on whole wheat instead of the processed hot dog.

Summer time is a great time for cheap fruit too and it can be filling. Fresh veggies are super easy to grill in a foil packet with seasonings. Add some brown rice, or whole grain couscous and you've a better tasting and more filling meal than a hot dog.

Good luck, it isn't easy but it sure is worth the effort. Especially when you do it for yourself.


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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 5:38:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I second the idea  about the nutritionist.  OR speak with your family doctor about a plan that he/she feels suits you and your needs.  Then buy some books and educate yourself.  It's really, really difficult with all the conflicting information out there.  Your doc may simply tell you low/cal, low/fat and give you the appropriate guidelines, which leaves you counting calories and fat grams.

One of the longest-lasting weight loss groups is Weight Watchers ... they have an excellent plan online, and it educates you in nutrition as well as exercise.  It might be worth a look.

As for getting your family's support ... that's even more difficult.  lol  Your mom complains about your weight then sabotages your efforts, it sounds like.  Perhaps if you sit her down and explain your approach and stick with it and she sees you both feeling and looking better, she'll relent and cut you some slack.  :)



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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 5:48:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		YHMA - I feel your pain.  Honestly I do.
 
 I went through similar for Years - until I was completely single and living completely Alone, and had utterly NO ONE that I had to answer to except MYSELF.  Now that I'm single and live completely alone, I don't get the sabotaging flack from "well meaning" friends and family members, and I don't feel any sort of pressure to please anyone except MYSELF in what I choose to keep in the house to eat or not eat.
 
I recently started going to a weight management doctor, and so far it's been fantastic for me.  She's a bit on the pricey side, after I pay for monthly bloodwork and the medication she put me on - but my food bills have come down enough that even eating nothing but fresh food that I cook for myself here at home I'm actually spending less per month.  For me at least, the medication I got put on (a hormonal balancer and thyroid/hypothalmus regulator called Releana, along with scrip strength potasium and magnesium suppliments, and a B12 shot once a week) is working.  The diet is VERY stringent on this - no starch, no sugar, no fats that aren't a natural part of the limited lean meats allowed.  Very portion controled - exact weight prior to cooking of lean meat and specific veggies per meal, period, and a couple of pieces of fruit a day of specific types with specific lengths of time beween them - very calorie controled due to the portion controls that are inherant in it.  In the first weigh in, I had lost 6 lbs in under a week of the dietary restrictions.  I'm not certain how much the loss will be this week when I go for my weigh in, but I can tell a difference just in the way my clothes are fitting - so there's no need for me to constantly check the scales to verify that it's still working.
 
Yes, the program that I'm on is rather extreme - but keep in mind that it's being done under the constant and direct supervision of a doctor who Specializes in weight issues of all sorts.  It's certainly not something that I would recommend to ANYONE who wasn't being checked on a weekly basis by such to moniter for adverse reactions - reactions to either the meds, or the extreme cal. deficit that strictly following the program forces on the body.  It would be far to easy to go overboard with such if there wasn't consistant monitering by someone medically trained in this area - which could lead to a whole different (but just as dangerous) set of problems.  While I won't specifically recommend the type of program that I'm following with such sucess, I WILL strongly recomend finding a local physician that specializes in weight issues and seeing what sort of program he/she recommends for you - then following it and telling detractors to fuck off and mind their own lives for a while.

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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 6:27:58 PM   
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Many hospitals that have weightloss surgery programs also offer Non-surgerical weightloss programs that include group work outs, nutritionists and psychologists.

I offer this as an alternative to the chain organizations.

with regards,
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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 6:35:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		seems to me that you have two issues, the first being around the food itself and the second being your mom.

as far as the first one, there's many different ways to approach it.  a nutritionist will be able to address any specific issues with food and also educate you about food and it's effect on your body.  if you decide not to do that, I would highly recommend Weight Watchers.  I "found" them in my early twenties and to this day rely upon their principles to help keep my weight in check.

your mom is clearly sabotaging your efforts, and I would hazard a guess that's not the only thing she does in your life that causes you emotional distress.  like a lot of women here and pretty much anywhere, I've had the same issues with mine.  (my mother, with the hyperactive thyroid, was constantly badgering me about my weight, but serving up fatty foods because her metabolism could handle it....sheesh!)  again, there's different ways to approach the problem, but the most important thing is that you find the way that is best for you.  do yourself a favor and make it a priority.

I applaud you for the fact that you are attempting to make the right choices as far as food and your body.  education is definitely the first step. 

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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 6:42:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another really good place to check is Prevention Magazine (online)...I know (or think I "know") that money is somewhat a factor here so you need a solution that is inexpensive and works.  First of all, just start walking...seriously.  Don't try and diet and get into some huge exercise regime right away.  Just...walk.  Start out with whatever you're comfortable with and then increase it by increments of a block or two or five.  I do the 10,000 steps "program" and believe me it works.  And it's something you can do  for free!

As far as food goes, try fruit as Camille suggested or veggies.  Try and tune your mom out a bit.  Do your research and see calories or whatever so you know what you're eating...then take smaller portions or even just push it around on your plate. 

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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 6:42:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah I think a nutritionist will be a good start. LEarn about foods and serving sizes and, maybe we can even plan some meals out for me that are well balanced.

I know that eggs and one piece of toast and a fruit  or two scrambled eggs one piece of non buttered toast an a small juice  are good breakfasts, the personal trainer I was seeing recomended those, But I have no clue what I should be eating for lunch. Will a nutritionist also be able to tell you how many calories you should be consuming and burning too?

janigrey I'll have to see if kiaser offers anything like that. I know they offer classes like healthy ways,  and it talks about healthy eating and having a healthy life, but it's expensive.

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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 7:13:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		We joined a gym, a nd I go swimming every 4 or 5 days a week and every 2 to three days a week I go in and peddle on the exorcise bikes. I was also going to do a personal trainer but they're fearfully expensive at the 24 hour club . I love swimming I can invent my own swimming techniques and I don't get all hot an sweaty and drop dead tired like the bikes. I'm tired when I get out, but during my exorcise, I'm cool and refreshed:) It's not free but it's so worth it for me. Plus, I meet people and stuff while in the pool an every once in a while they swim back an forth with me an then I have fun while being active!

I'm eating peaches too from our own tree, they're good. and I am eating a watermellon a week, each week. The watermellons are soooooooo good an they keep me full for hours, and if they're cold when I eat them, they're better than ice cream.

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First of all, just start walking...seriously.  Don't try and diet and get into some huge exercise regime right away.  Just...walk.  Start out with whatever you're comfortable with and then increase it by increments of a block or two or five.  I do the 10,000 steps "program" and believe me it works.  And it's something you can do  for free!

As far as food goes, try fruit as Camille suggested or veggies.  Try and tune your mom out a bit.  Do your research and see calories or whatever so you know what you're eating...then take smaller portions or even just push it around on your plate. 

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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 8:11:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most Medical Associate offices that deal with diet and nutrition do provide psychological therapy as well.

The one locally has an General Medicine Physician, A Nutritionist, therapist, as well as a physical therapist to aid in developing an excercise program.

Being overweight has roots in many different areas, some people are overweight due to medication they have to take, others due to emotional reasons, others may be overweight because of a slowed metabolism.  It is best to see a doctor and find out just what is the problem.

Dieting WITHOUT medical supervision could actually be just as unhealthy as being overweight.

If you are on anti-depressants, mood stabilizers or anti-anxiety medication, as well as some blood pressure, birth control, and cholestriol medications could cause some adverse effects during weight loss. 

So speak to a doctor first.

After which, if you would like to contact me via cmail, I can give you some recipes that are good, nutritional, and also offer a few suggestions on substitutes for salt.  Being a trained cook has some advantages.


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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 8:58:37 PM   
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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 10:03:45 PM   
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Will a nutritionist also be able to tell you how many calories you should be consuming and burning too?



most definitely.

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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 11:04:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		My sister was in OA for awhile (overeaters anonymous) and said the meetings were really helpful for learning about easy and healthy foods and how to deal with people that insist you eat their way.

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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 11:42:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am over weight cause I eat and do no exorcise or anything to burn calories or use the food I eat. i also love love LOVE eating out and fast food and we eat out * usualy egg saussage sandwhiches at jack in the box* about 4 times a month.

I am extreamly sedentary. I also lay in bed all day and do absolutely nothing but watch tv or sit on my computer most days. We're changing that. I still spend an absurd amount of time in front of my pc an not much else most days but I am becoming more active by going to the gym an swimming.

I would like to clarify eating right and eating better isn't dieting and you don't nessisarily need dr's clearance to make smarter healthier choices when it comes to food and eating properly, unless you have medical conditions food could affect. All though I agree  you should consult a dr before beginning anything  in the form of a new  diet, or potentially strenous such as going to the gym and say running on the treadmill for an hour. There maybe very good reasons why you shouldn't be running on a treadmill based on your body and your health.

However my case, my doctor is pushing for me to loose weight an eat right an be active. I don't have to go ask them if I can, bfore I do.   Every time I go to the dr they bring up my weight and am I eating right and am I exorcising and have I thought about loosing weight, and have I thought of eating right and do I realize that my knee pain and ankle pain and back pain are increased by being so heavy, and that I'd have a ton less pain if I lost weight ect ect. 
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Most Medical Associate offices that deal with diet and nutrition do provide psychological therapy as well.

The one locally has an General Medicine Physician, A Nutritionist, therapist, as well as a physical therapist to aid in developing an excercise program.

Being overweight has roots in many different areas, some people are overweight due to medication they have to take, others due to emotional reasons, others may be overweight because of a slowed metabolism.  It is best to see a doctor and find out just what is the problem.

Dieting WITHOUT medical supervision could actually be just as unhealthy as being overweight.

If you are on anti-depressants, mood stabilizers or anti-anxiety medication, as well as some blood pressure, birth control, and cholestriol medications could cause some adverse effects during weight loss. 

So speak to a doctor first.

After which, if you would like to contact me via cmail, I can give you some recipes that are good, nutritional, and also offer a few suggestions on substitutes for salt.  Being a trained cook has some advantages.


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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/27/2008 11:55:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		As someone who is also trying to lose weight, I can feel for you. I think there have been a lot of good suggestions on here - particularly seeing a nutritionist or dietician. I know from past failures that if you place too much stress on yourself about eating all good stuff right now, it's going to contribute to failure. You didn't gain the weight overnight and it isn't going to come off overnight either. I have read about the success stories of those who have lost weight and kept it off and there are some commonalities. They started off by eliminating the junk food in their eating, then added more fruits and veggies, cutting down on portion sizes and eventually they were able to incorporate all of the good eating habits the experts recommend. Checking out the nutritional facts and ingredients on packages is another necessity. I think you would be surprised at what's inside some common foods.

You commented about bread and I couldn't help think of what I'd heard Dr. Oz say on the Oprah Winfrey show. See this site for some good info he has given out. http://www.qiweightloss.com/articles/Dr-Oz-Diet.html

Another helpful hint has to do with what you drink. I drink mostly water. Carbonated soft drinks are high in sugar and even those diet drinks are rather high in sodium, plus the acid generated from the carbonation isn't good for the teeth. 100% fruit juices with nothing added are okay, provided you aren't overdoing it. It can be difficult to adjust to mostly drinking water since it has no flavour. One thing I did years ago to make it more palatable was to squeeze just a little bit of lemon juice in my water. No sugar, just a little juice to give it a bit of flavour.

One last thing that is a helpful hint when it comes to grocery shopping has to do with shopping for items displayed around the periphery of the store and avoiding items in the center aisles. Typically the fresh produce and meats, dairy and eggs are all located around the periphery and all of the processed, higher fat, higher calorie items are housed in the center aisles.

I wish you well and I hope you get some assistance with your weight loss!


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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/28/2008 12:14:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yup yup I don't drink any soda's at all, and I don't drink fruit juices any more with the exception of once in a VERY rare while and then it's ocean spray light, with half the sugar and half the calories. I drink mostly  only water and crystal light, cyrstal light has only 5 calories, and is sweatend with splenda.  the crystal light my doctor has signed off on being ok for me to drink. She also approves of those carbinated waters, Sams club brand or clearly canadian, or talking rain. it doesn't have any fructose or corn syroup or tons of sugar,   My dr told me to avoid fructose and corn syroup at all costs, as it's extreamly bad for you.

course a lot of people say the splenda in it isn't good  for you but Dr tan* my dr* has signed off on approving of me drinking drinks sweatend with splenda.

I have no problem with plain water either, we get aquafina by the pack and it's very delicious all by itself. Infact sometimes I want just the cool clean crisp taste of water itself, no flavors no nothing just the water. I also enjoy ice tea, and    hot tea's all though I use a spoon full of sugar in hot teas. I next to never indulge in having hot tea though when I do it's lady grey, or lipton lemon, or mint medley.

I read in today's newspaper, that  medical Studies have also shown those who consume large amounts of soda regularly are also at risk for bone dencity deficieny. the phosorphic acids weaken the bones acording to the studies. 


When we go grocery shopping we shop for what's affordable and what I'm gaurenteed to be able to fix and will fix* usualy indicating very little cooking needed since I don't like to cook lol

so we don't buy raw meats or things that need an oven. Which I understand is part of the problem, since if you don't or won't cook it leaves you prepared and prepackaged things. I am however very very vigilant on reading the nutrition lable and have found a brand of tv dinner that while not perfect is pretty good. It's ginger chicken stir fry an I don't put the sauce on and I don't stir fry it. It's largely vegitables a few pieces of chicken an about a cup of rice. I don't get hot pockets or totino's pizza rolls or hungry man dinners or none of those crap meals.

Last time we went shopping I bought blueberries and black berries but they were kind of nasty and bitter, and not at all yummy so they got wasted, and I bought grapes,which were good. And I eat a watermellon every week each week. I go through a whole watermellon every 4 days.
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Another helpful hint has to do with what you drink. I drink mostly water. Carbonated soft drinks are high in sugar and even those diet drinks are rather high in sodium, plus the acid generated from the carbonation isn't good for the teeth. 100% fruit juices with nothing added are okay, provided you aren't overdoing it. It can be difficult to adjust to mostly drinking water since it has no flavour. One thing I did years ago to make it more palatable was to squeeze just a little bit of lemon juice in my water. No sugar, just a little juice to give it a bit of flavour.

One last thing that is a helpful hint when it comes to grocery shopping has to do with shopping for items displayed around the periphery of the store and avoiding items in the center aisles. Typically the fresh produce and meats, dairy and eggs are all located around the periphery and all of the processed, higher fat, higher calorie items are housed in the center aisles.

I wish you well and I hope you get some assistance with your weight loss!



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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/28/2008 12:32:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		The reason I am not entirely keen on things like Crystal Light (although I do have it around for those times when I have cravings) is that it doesn't help with retraining your taste buds. Ocean Spray Light isn't 100% fruit juice, but a fruit cocktail so it's probably not the best thing.

I know that good food is expensive, but if you think about it, isn't your health worth it? I try to adapt that philosophy when I'm grocery shopping, although I will opt for fruit that is on sale and watch for bargains whenever I can.

Regular oatmeal is great for breakfast. You can add fruit to flavour it. (Hey what about those peaches you mentioned?) And if you add cinnamon along with the fruit you have an added taste dimension, plus the medicinal benefits of cinnamon. :)


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RE: Are there therapists who deal with issues surroundi... - 7/28/2008 12:33:14 AM   
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You know like the pychological effects of trying to loose weight and  emotional affects and such?


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