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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 10:42:04 AM

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A master does whatever he/she wants in your relationship maybe .....but your own values and definitions may not be a pillar in other people's relationships.

You are correct. In my relationship a Master is more than just a honorarium. I forget that in other cases, it's just connotes a reference to a person serving the slave's interests.

Your point is well taken, when someone references a master, it can mean that they've mastered providing service.

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 10:42:47 AM

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you talk to him every day but aren't allowed to serve him? I've been punished by no allowing to serve a Dom but for a two weeks, and it was no communication at all.... I had a serious attitude issue. My current Dom would punish me by not spending time with me, but as our time together is scarce it punishes him as well.

That sounds fishy to me, one someone's part, but just giving my advice

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 10:42:51 AM

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I wonder which shop she is going to....

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 10:43:48 AM

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to quote Master "I do as I want. That's the whole point of being a Master".

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 10:50:18 AM

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A master does whatever he/she wants in your relationship maybe .....but your own values and definitions may not be a pillar in other people's relationships.

You are correct. In my relationship a Master is more than just a honorarium. I forget that in other cases, it's just connotes a reference to a person serving the slave's interests.

Your point is well taken, when someone references a master, it can mean that they've mastered providing service.

Well if meeting the needs (yanno, the necessary thing to keep a person sane, mentally and physically healthy) is "serving the slaves interest" then I guess most "masters" out there with any sense of decency are just servants gift wrapped in "dom-paper". I'd rather have one of those pressies than one who values his title over my wellbeing.

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 10:52:32 AM

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It's not uncommon. Normally the way it all happens is exactly the way the master says. Some women are turned off by the thought of finding another female for her master; other women are turned on by it.

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is it common practice for the slave to be resposible for choosing a suitable female for her master?

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 10:53:42 AM

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A master does whatever he/she wants in your relationship maybe .....but your own values and definitions may not be a pillar in other people's relationships.

You are correct. In my relationship a Master is more than just a honorarium. I forget that in other cases, it's just connotes a reference to a person serving the slave's interests.

Your point is well taken, when someone references a master, it can mean that they've mastered providing service.

Can't we all just get along?

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 10:56:58 AM

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is it common practice for the slave to be resposible for choosing a suitable female for her master?

Yes it is, now get busy.

I am sure your Master is wondering why he isn't Nuts deep in some tight assed thin waisted blonde by now.

Some peoples kids I tell you.

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 11:00:53 AM

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Can't we all just get along?

LOL! No worries, I'm breathing through my nose and the blood pressure is at it's normal level.

When all is said and done we'll just have to agree on disagreeing and that is nothing wrong with that

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 11:24:23 AM

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While I agree W/mercnbeth's original post stating that you're a slave & as such you should obey your Master's commands (Unless they'd endanger your life or health)... I have to ask Myself why is he putting the burden entirely on you, I mean is this other women to serve him too, why wouldn't he want to actively be involved in the search??? I've never heard of Pimping your Master as being apart of a slaves duties... Maybe I'm just too old & have too much respect for Myself or any slaves I might have for that......

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 11:28:58 AM

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Well if meeting the needs (yanno, the necessary thing to keep a person sane, mentally and physically healthy) is "serving the slaves interest" then I guess most "masters" out there with any sense of decency are just servants gift wrapped in "dom-paper". I'd rather have one of those pressies than one who values his "honorarium" over my wellbeing.

Most self proclaimed masters are "just servants". Most self proclaimed slaves are sensation seekers who set limits and, in turn, are in charge of the relationship. You won't get any argument from me. 'Masters' and 'slaves' are much more rarer than claimed.

"Decency" is perspective. Keeping a person "sane, mentally and physically healthy" isn't germane to the discussion. Knowing yourself and determining that absolute service without self consideration is an accurate reflection to you requires a compatible partner with complimentary self identity to keep both parties "sane". What is insane, or at least contradictory to any acceptable definition, is representing 'slave' service, but dictating terms.

Requiring that any service first be to your liking isn't slavery; in practice it isn't even submission - it's entertainment. BTW - it's 'entertainment' that I have enjoyed throughout my life and to this day. Someone doesn't have to be my slave in order for me to be with them. They will have to submit to my terms for whatever time period mutually agreed upon, but I'm happy to serve as a sensation facilitator on occasion. You'll never get me to put a debate about semantics in the way of having fun; but I would never represent any relationship on the terms of mutual entertainment as Master/slave.

Forget about any title. You'd rather "have one of those pressies" - great! Acknowledge that there are some, albeit very few, who seek more and want absolutes in their relationship concerning authority, and dominance. Entertainment and fun are still very much in the picture, fed by the confidence that my slave's sanity and mental and physical heather are served by her slavery not harmed by fulfilling her responsibly within our dynamic.

I'm not represeting either option is better than the other. It is more a function of knowing what you want and separating it from any of the fantasy that is often represented as fact, especially on-line. As long as the parties involved know themselves well enough, have confidence, and live up to their responsibilities; it's all good.

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 11:29:19 AM

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While I agree W/mercnbeth's original post stating that you're a slave & as such you should obey your Master's commands (Unless they'd endanger your life or health)... I have to ask Myself why is he putting the burden entirely on you, I mean is this other women to serve him too, why wouldn't he want to actively be involved in the search??? I've never heard of Pimping your Master as being apart of a slaves duties... Maybe I'm just too old & have too much respect for Myself or any slaves I might have for that......

But it is not to 'serve' him. It is to 'pleasure' her while he watches... as i understand it. There are computer cams involved too so *shrugs*

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 11:41:26 AM

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Isn't a threesome where three people all sexually pleasure each other? And not two doing that and one watching?

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 11:43:41 AM

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Ok, even if the whole thing was for you and not his, in fact just for the sake of argument, lets say he wasnt even going to participate, it still doesnt leave him off the hook on punishing you for taking a while. Oh sure, the "yes master, let girl run down to the gas station and pick someone up" sounds easy. Any one who has been around will tell you theres more couples seeking 3rd's, than there are single slaves seeking couples. As said before "needle in a hay stack". But maybe I can break down my logic on this aspect.

A master and a slave, in some way shape or form, is a couple to some degree, with master in charge.
If master "with responsibility and understanding" makes a command, then the dymanics and parameters of that command rest upon his shoulders.
If the slave has performed that task to the best of their abilities, then the command was obeyed, whether the results are favorable or not.
Notice I said obeyed, its possible to do something right, and still screw it up, burnt brownies is one example.
I feel a master should never set the level of standards for a slave any higher that those of himself, though a different form, still just as high.
Regardless if it is for master or slave, it still starts with the master, and ends with him, there for his invested interest is to serve the greater purpose.
Many of the 3rd's might view the point "he might be your master, but he isnt mine, yet", he has to understand that that theres one part of the equation he cant control, that being the girls you bring him, not to mention the signal he sends out. You have to remember, your looking from the inside out, their looking from the outside in, so they might see something your not seeing.

And one of my fav quotes, careful what you wish for, you just might get it. If theres one lesson in life, things dont always turn out the way we plan them too.

And to answer the previous question, no, swinging is not the same as poly.

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 1:15:58 PM

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Thats the part that confused me. How do you go down on a female when she is on one cam, you are on another, and some bozo is logging in to both?
She should just hire a hooker do go down on her on cam. I am sure they will be willing, if their face is buried in a snatch.
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But it is not to 'serve' him. It is to 'pleasure' her while he watches... as i understand it. There are computer cams involved too so *shrugs*

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 2:43:11 PM

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Most self proclaimed masters are "just servants". Most self proclaimed slaves are sensation seekers who set limits and, in turn, are in charge of the relationship. You won't get any argument from me. 'Masters' and 'slaves' are much more rarer than claimed.

Correction.
You feel most masters are "just servants" by your own definition.

While I for one (respectfully) think your definition is total bullc**p I don't see why you had to near bark at the woman in your post how much of a "bad slave" according to your own definitions, without even taking into consideration that the "master" involved might be douchebaggus maximus. The woman came to the boards with some valid concerns, degrading first her "slavishness"

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The fact that you don't want to do it, would be reason enough to make you do it. Submission to a 'Master' isn't about doing what you wanted to do all along.

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A 'Master' does whatever it is he/she wants to do. You know he wouldn't want you to disclose this 'personal' information yet you did it anyway? You also can keep secrets from your master? 'ya know - it may benefit you both if your master did see and read this thread.

and then basically all masters and slaves which don't fulfill your own personal standard

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You are correct. In my relationship a Master is more than just a honorarium. I forget that in other cases, it's just connotes a reference to a person serving the slave's interests. Your point is well taken, when someone references a master, it can mean that they've mastered providing service.

isn't quite what I think she needs, specially given the fact that you have no idea what her relationship dynamics are (other than it's seems you somehow feel it is inferior to your own if they don't fit your standards)

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"Decency" is perspective. Keeping a person "sane, mentally and physically healthy" isn't germane to the discussion.

Disagree there. Her needs as a person weren't being met by this guy refusing to see her in person and talking about this with her for 5 months. That is the core of this discussion imo.

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Knowing yourself and determining that absolute service without self consideration is an accurate reflection to you requires a compatible partner with complimentary self identity to keep both parties "sane".

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Agree there but you don't know the terms of her relationship and although you obviously are lucky enough to have found a partner that is your accurate reflection, you don't know if she has (which I rather doubt since she has the concerns she has). Absolute service isn't always the goal for people and making statements as you did (see above) are questionably little or no help to either the discussion nor her concerns.

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Requiring that any service first be to your liking isn't slavery; in practice it isn't even submission - it's entertainment. BTW - it's 'entertainment' that I have enjoyed throughout my life and to this day. Someone doesn't have to be my slave in order for me to be with them. They will have to submit to my terms for whatever time period mutually agreed upon, but I'm happy to serve as a sensation facilitator on occasion. You'll never get me to put a debate about semantics in the way of having fun; but I would never represent any relationship on the terms of mutual entertainment as Master/slave.

Again that is just your own opinion and definition of slavery. Good for you but realize that not all follow the same ideology.

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Forget about any title. You'd rather "have one of those pressies" - great! Acknowledge that there are some, albeit very few, who seek more and want absolutes in their relationship concerning authority, and dominance.

I've never said that I didn't aknowledge "more absolute" slavery. However you seem on this thread to have a difficulty aknowledging that your way of labeling things isn't the one and only way and that other people's definitions of slavery are just as valid as yours. I refer again to above published quotes from you.

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I'm not represeting either option is better than the other.

Actually you were.
I requote

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You are correct. In my relationship a Master is more than just a honorarium. I forget that in other cases, it's just connotes a reference to a person serving the slave's interests. Your point is well taken, when someone references a master, it can mean that they've mastered providing service.

Dude! you basically devalued everybody who didn't follow your own definition of slavery! You basically took the identities of the people who have other dynamic as yours (and yet are still as proud of their master or slave status and identity as you and your partner) and put it in the mud.

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It is more a function of knowing what you want and separating it from any of the fantasy that is often represented as fact, especially on-line.

Agree with you there. However keep in mind, that as much as you think other peoples "slavery" is fantasy, there are groups of people who think yours is too, borderline pathological even.

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As long as the parties involved know themselves well enough, have confidence, and live up to their responsibilities; it's all good.

Yay!!! finally something we can most certainly agree on to the fullest.

I've said my piece in this discussion and we obviously just have to agree on disagreeing in many facets. But thank you for a very fun debate

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 3:16:31 PM

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Wait, a Master never goes down on their own slave...so THATS where Lee keeps going wrong *makes a note of that to tell Him when she next sees Him*

Whoaaa, no no don't tell Him, he might leak it to my Master and I would soooo not be happy.

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 3:40:09 PM

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He's an ass.

Beyond that and if you're still determined to stay with someone who punishes you for what other people decide once they talk to him, then find him the number of an escort service.

But if he's going to keep this nonsense up, how long until your anger at the catch 22 situation he's devised is so great you tell him to shove it? And if he doesn't care that what he's doing is destroying your respect for him, then do you really want to be with him?

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 3:47:29 PM

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i cant answer that one,he told me a master never goes down on his own slave,and if i try to disscuss the subject i am promptly told"it is not a slaves place to question her master"

Well, damn... i guess i've never been with a "Master" then... or the ones i've been with have missed that page in the rule book...

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RE: if a master desires a 3some is it normaly a slaves ... - 7/29/2008 4:34:30 PM

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define normal

all i know is this: when a submissive has shown interest in having a threesome with me, she contacts me and when it's her master showing an interest in me, then he contacts me. it's never been any other way in my not so very limited experience.

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