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SubinMaine -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (8/2/2008 7:24:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Strongmindbody Question: would this likely work for you if you could do it, even if you made it a significant focus in your life? Or is it more likely to somehow fail just as diets tend to fail? It would work for ME because I'm already in the process of changing my relationship with food and redefining what my lifestyle changes are going to be. However, for your friend, unless he is ready to accept he needs to lose the weight, and stop making excuses for not eating right/exercising, it won't work. Diets WILL work, if done correctly. Everyone is on a diet. Everyone eats, therefore they have a diet. The question is: Is the diet healthy or not? Metabolism plays the MAIN role. A 1000 calorie diet a day will NOT help you lose weight. Your body will store the fat because it goes into survival mode. In order to get your metabolism up, you need to feed it. Yes, you NEED to eat. The correct combination of good carbs, proteins, fats etc. I'm a big damn girl, I'm tall and I'm chubby, no doubt about that (2 kids in 2 years will make ANYONE fat). I've spoken to a nutritionist and have been told, in order to lose weight, I need to take in approximately 1900 calories per day and BURN approximately 2500 per day. The start is hard because the metabolism is weak. As I progress, it gets easier. It's a very slow process, but it's SUPPOSED to be slow. The slower you lose weight, the more likely you are to keep it off. Once you hit your optimal weight, the issue becomes maintenance. Yes, people plateau and this is where most diets will fail. When you plateau, you could go a month, sometimes two, without losing a POUND. Eventually, your body will catch up but by the time it's ready to, most people have given up. You have to recondition your body to work for you and not against you, that takes YEARS, not months! MOST people who are overweight have a food addiction. That doesn't mean everyone does. PCOS sufferers put on weight, even though dieting. Thyroid issues can cause weight gain as well. Depression is a large contributor as well. Point being, if there's not a medical reason, the correct combination of food and exercise can and will result in weight loss. To the poster who said their doctors put her on a 500 calorie a day liquid diet. Those doctors need their licenses stripped from them. I've never heard of a more ludicrous practice in my life. Not only is it unhealthy, it will not work. No matter HOW many vitamins are supplemented by IV. And, by your own admission, you are proof of that. It is physically IMPOSSIBLE to lose more than 1-2 pounds of fat per week. IMPOSSIBLE. You can lose water weight, you can lose muscle, but not actual fat. And being one of those people who suffered the "You're fat and worthless" childhood, you can certainly get past that as well. It's not easy, hard and hateful words about how we're viewed have a way of delineating how we view ourselves and does a number on our own self worth. However, as soon as one realizes the person who made those comments were selfish, mean-spirited asses who were only looking to make their pathetic selves feel better, they'll see that every person, large or thin, is necessary, special, unique and BEAUTIFUL. Wow that was long....anyway...hi, my name is "b" and i'm a sexy, chubby (fat) woman. i LOVE who i am as a person. i'm comfortable in my skin. i do realize, however, in order to be "healthy" and "there" for my kids' future, i need to take back control of my life. And, no one can do that for me. i have to do it for myself. nod grin

Hanable -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (8/2/2008 10:35:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss If she's as bad as you claim you have two options. suck it up and continue to be exposed to her and her illnesses or move out. If you already are moved out then cut all ties with her. Otherwise, you're willingly becoming her target by choosing to stay in her path and really have no room to complain. quote: ORIGINAL: Hanable stop telling me what i already know ok. its not that simple.. and no im not jsut making excuses.. she has a mental illness... bipolar manic depression.. i can change how i react to her a million times and shell still yell and scream at me cuz im either being a bitch or jsut cuz she feels like it. i truely do not think i can succeed in a fight/argument agaisnt her. H >:) YHMA, if it were really that simple i would have done it by now.. but its not.. i have NO money to move out with and i cant get a job to get money to move out.. its all fine and dandy that u can say "well move out" but u have to understand.. i have no way of moveing out.. no friends that can take me in.. no relitives that have room.. if it were as simple as u make it sound id have left here when i graduated from school.. but its not simple.. plzz stop trying to simplify everything. H >:)

Daddysredhead -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (8/2/2008 11:14:42 PM)
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ModeratorEleven -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (8/2/2008 11:17:26 PM)
Ok folks, lets get back on track with the topic or take it elsewhere please. XI

Daddysredhead -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (8/2/2008 11:21:19 PM)
I think a lot of people have their own personal demons with food and self-image. Unless they get help professionally or otherwise, the thing that caused a warped sense of body-image will be an obstacle.

corsetgirl -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (8/3/2008 12:03:11 AM)
Hi SubinMaine: I just want to tell you that you look absolutely gorgeous and I hope I could look like you because I don't think you are chubby at all! I think the main reason that people who have the gastric bypass surgery and the lap-band surgery is because most of it is due to a lack of metabolism and as someone else mentioned those who have PCOS. Both of these surgeries are quite costly ranging from $15,000 to $35,000 (gastric bypass surgery) and $10,000 to $20,000 (lap-band surgery). I think this should be beneficial to people who have tried and cannot lose the weight, which should be an exception. Of course, this is also based on undergoing some medical tests before even having the surgery. I have changed my eating habits. I don't consider myself to be dieting because I am not giving up some of these foods I love, namely rice, pasta or potatoes. However, I have learned to reduce my portions and losing weight slowly is the best way to go. I want to be healthy and slim by next year. Another challenge is that I am on the pill, which I really hate due to its side effects as I am taking this for other female problems. However, I hope to exercise more often and cut back on salt. This is not easy for me as I love food and never left any food on my plate as a child! However, I wish you well.

SubinMaine -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (8/3/2008 2:25:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corsetgirl Hi SubinMaine: I just want to tell you that you look absolutely gorgeous and I hope I could look like you because I don't think you are chubby at all! I think the main reason that people who have the gastric bypass surgery and the lap-band surgery is because most of it is due to a lack of metabolism and as someone else mentioned those who have PCOS. Both of these surgeries are quite costly ranging from $15,000 to $35,000 (gastric bypass surgery) and $10,000 to $20,000 (lap-band surgery). I think this should be beneficial to people who have tried and cannot lose the weight, which should be an exception. Of course, this is also based on undergoing some medical tests before even having the surgery. I have changed my eating habits. I don't consider myself to be dieting because I am not giving up some of these foods I love, namely rice, pasta or potatoes. However, I have learned to reduce my portions and losing weight slowly is the best way to go. I want to be healthy and slim by next year. Another challenge is that I am on the pill, which I really hate due to its side effects as I am taking this for other female problems. However, I hope to exercise more often and cut back on salt. This is not easy for me as I love food and never left any food on my plate as a child! However, I wish you well. Aww...you're sweet! Thank you for the compliment nod, but I carry my weight VERY well. In my online pictures, I weigh 190 lbs. That's 30lbs overweight for my height/frame. NOW, I weigh a touch (hehe) more....220. That's 60 lbs overweight (damn pregnancies!) I've always struggled and, at my largest was 280. I was doing super at maintaining my weight loss, then babies kind of side-tracked that. But, I'm not worried because I'll get back down to that elusive 160-165 again :) (remember, I'm 6' tall so, 110/120 I would be a skeleton) My issue is that I love food nodnod and I acknowledge that. For me, it's not a medical problem, it's a "sedintary" & satisfaction problem. I don't exercise enough and I love to eat. grin Per ModXI, I'll get back on topic... one of my best friends had GB surgery done. She went from pushing 400lbs to 130lbs in just under 6 months. She had to because she has an underlying medical cause (thyroid issues resulting in Graves disease). She HATES it. She hates the fact she had the surgery, she's happy she's thin, but wishes she could've have done it another way. For her, the complications, limitations and restrictions of the surgery just aren't worth the outcome in the long run.

Kalista07 -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (8/3/2008 2:35:55 AM)
B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i've missed You. and i for one, still think You are hot as hell. Recently i saw a new PCP, and we were talking about weight loss. She asked me if i'd be interested in doing the Gastric Bypass Surgery. i told her i'd seriously be willing to eat dirt if someone could tell me for sure that it would help me lose weight. She specializes in women's health issues and obesity. i'm excited about seeing her. Although, truth be told i'm not real 'excited' about seeing the nutritionist, but figure what the hell...How can it hurt? i too have Graves disease. A lot of times i think to myself that i wish they had not taken my thyroid out. Then i think about the fact that i'd be dead. And then...................it occurs to me...................................that while i'd be dead i'd be FINE AS HELL!!!!! Kali

YourhandMyAss -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (8/3/2008 12:58:05 PM)
I think that's a very good statement. Same goes with food. If it's not a warped body image, but is a poor relationship with food, or not knowing how to have a proper relationship with food IE what's ok to eat what's not and how foods are used by yourbody, then you can try to make smart choices, and try to do better, but you will only have half the picture. quote: ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead I think a lot of people have their own personal demons with food and self-image. Unless they get help professionally or otherwise, the thing that caused a warped sense of body-image will be an obstacle.

subintrainingnc -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (11/10/2008 12:46:38 PM)
wonder if it would be hard to tell someone you had the surgery esp in this dynamic where there could be a lot of nudity.. i think it is a great thing to be able to get healthy again, good luck.

HisNani -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (11/11/2008 1:04:10 PM)
You know, for some people it has nothing to do with how much or what they are eating or what they are doing for exercise. My entire life (since being born an 11 pound baby) I have been overweight. Kindergarten through even now, I have been told by everyone to eat less, to exercise more, to get off my fat ass, to starve myself...my doctor tried to send me to a fat camp. I've never eaten any more than anyone else. My sister has always been skinny, and I ate what she did, and sometimes less. I love salads, and I love vegetables and fruits. I'd take a bowl of watermelon over a candy bar any day. And yet...at age 21, I'm still 285 pounds. I was this weight throughout high school. It didn't matter what I told people, how much I ran myself ragged...I did soccer in middle school. I was on the soccer team, and I ran just as much as the rest of the girls did. I lost nothing, and yet kept running until I almost blacked out and I was barely eating. I tried the SlimFast diet. No change. Tried Adkins, no change. My dad lost 10 pounds after doing 1 week of severely limited carb intake. I did the limited carb intake (called the Intro period, and when you're supposed to lose the most weight in one shot) for three months. I didn't lose even one pound. And I was on a stationary bike in our basement every afternoon, biking at 10 miles per hour with resistance for an hour. Nothing. No one believed me when I said it didn't matter what I did I couldn't lose weight. Still people avoided me for being fat, and I was the monster in school. Even in college, living in the dorms, in full control of my eating habits and constantly walking across campus and uphill to my job which was over a mile to walk...my roommate's boyfriend asked why I never got off my fat ass. I even starved myself for over a week and walked the long ways to class, went up 6 flights of stairs (which no one else was stupid enough to do). No change. I was never asked out seriously...only in joke. One boy would dare another to ask out the fat girl...they'd assume I was so desperate to have a boyfriend that I'd say yes and think he was serious. In the winter of 2005, I begged my parents to gift me with GP surgery for Christmas. I told them I was miserable...being 18 years old and never been kissed, or on a date, and having gone stag or with a girlfriend or two to three proms. They were too afraid of the risks...mostly the risk of death. The surgery makes your stomach smaller, and redirects everything so once that little stomach processes the food, it goes straight to the intestines. There is always a full feeling, and your body spends more time actually processing the food. It's a matter of immediately shrinking your stomach without making yourself sick. My parents did promise me, however, that they might get me the lap band system. They said we'd see. I went for my physical that's required by the school the next August. I went through the whole humiliating process...and then my doctor asked me when I'd had my last period. I had to think...but came up with I'd had my last period either that previous December or January. She asked me again if I was sexually active, and I'd laughed bitterly and told her no. Not remotely. She immediately made an appointment for me to see a gynecologist. My gyno examined me, and then, slightly worried like my doctor had been, sent me to an endocrinologist. They ran all sorts of tests, took a lot of blood. And, in plain english, the conclusion they came to was that my body was in constant crisis mode. Crisis mode is when your body doesn't know when it's ever going to see food again, so it stores every carb it ingests as fat, and throws out proteins to be burned (which is why exercise was so exhausting and made me lightheaded and sick feeling) for energy. Anything I eat/ate gets turned into fat, immediately. This condition (polycystic ovarian syndrome is part of it) basically means that my whole endocrine system is spaztic. It makes it very difficult if not near impossible for me to lose weight, super easy for me to gain back anything I'd managed to lose, and difficult to conceive and carry children. Not to mention the stresses the weight put on my whole body. GP is just...help. I mean, people are like 'oh you'll be skinny if you just get up off your ass' and they make fun of those kids who are overweight and trailing behind in gym class...thinking they don't move enough and that's why they're so slow. Wrong. Those kids who are overweight could be twice your body weight. It's like the skinny kid carrying another kid on top of him and trying to run as fast as kids who aren't carrying someone else. It's hard. It's tiring. And it doesn't work for everyone. Controlling eating and exercise doesn't always have something to do with it. Not all of those who are overweight are so because they can't control eating, or because they eat as an emotional reaction. And that's a major stereotype. GP takes off that extra person...so that kid who was running in last can catch up to the others. Whether he stays skinny or doesn't is up to HIM to deal with. HE has to change how he eats if that's the problem. He has to exercise and get treatment for whatever was the issue. It just gives him a chance in the race, you know? When I was little I used to have a lot of fantasies...in my dreams I'd go to school and be invisible, and then that night I'd unzip my skin and find out that my whole life I'd been living in a fat suit when I was really this pretty skinny girl, and suddenly the world opened up...and people could see me. I used to look in the mirror at my naked body and think 'if I could just cut off my stomach, and my ass...some of my thighs and under my arms...I'd be okay. I could deal with the rest'. If you're born overweight, you're trying to run the race with a serious disadvantage. And for some people...there IS no chance of ever catching up. GP gives that person hope. It gives them a reason to continue, to keep living. It evens the odds, so they have the same chance as everyone else to be happy, to succeed. And isn't that what's important?

Hanable -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (11/11/2008 2:23:26 PM)
very nice post hisnani.. and yes thats how it feels. being overweight isnt always something u can fix by eatting less or exersizing more. hell i eat a "healthy choice" meal at lunch.. and sometimes i dont have dinner.. i walk when i can and im still about 200 lbs. its not that simple to lose weight.. not when ur bombarded by junk food adds, diet adds that make u feel like shit cuz ur a few lbs over weight. its a visious cycle.. u eat cuz ur depressed cuz ur over weight.. u feel like shit cuz ur over weight so u eat more to make ur self feel better. leas thtta show it is with most the over weight ppl i know. H >:)

HisNani -> RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise? (11/11/2008 3:22:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hanable very nice post hisnani.. and yes thats how it feels. being overweight isnt always something u can fix by eatting less or exersizing more. hell i eat a "healthy choice" meal at lunch.. and sometimes i dont have dinner.. i walk when i can and im still about 200 lbs. its not that simple to lose weight.. not when ur bombarded by junk food adds, diet adds that make u feel like shit cuz ur a few lbs over weight. its a visious cycle.. u eat cuz ur depressed cuz ur over weight.. u feel like shit cuz ur over weight so u eat more to make ur self feel better. leas thtta show it is with most the over weight ppl i know. H >:) Thanks =) yeah, they're all EAT LESS and now docs are saying EAT MORE! That it's healthier to eat like a baby does...more times per day, in steady amounts. Cause it's supposed to keep up your metabolism. ...assuming you have one... >.> but, when I tried doing that...I felt like the stereotypical fat kid...fork to mouth constantly, even if the snack was healthy. Ugh. Yeah, the diet ads are disgusting. "I was so gross looking and I hated myself. Then I lost 20 pounds! And I got married last month!" ...twenty pounds?...seriously? And I know guys don't have this issue, but it's SERIOUSLY pissing ME off...they're shrinking shirt sizes. I'm normally a 1x or 2x in a generic tee. Suddenly, all the women's sizes are smaller. My sister is like, a size 12, which should be a medium or so. In some tees, she's wearing a 2x/3x. WTF???? If she's a 2x/3x WTF does that make ME??? Oh no, wait, that's right, they don't make "plus sized" clothing to fit actual people. 14 is the average size of the american woman. Why is that where the plus sized section starts??? Why the heck was the Top Model chick who was raved about for being plus sized even CONSIDERED plus sized??? SHE WAS A SIZE 8/10!!! Our world is horrible. America is getting fatter, and yet they want all of America to feel guilty about getting fatter, and not have any clothing to fit them. My motivation for trying everything to lose weight used to be to fit into a store bought prom dress and look nice. Didn't happen. -.- My motivation now, is that I sure as hell am not WALKING across the threshold when I get married.

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