RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery": Obama

Join Our Community

Collarchat.com

Home Login Search

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery": Obama

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery": Obama

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 6:22:08 AM

Posts: 5091
Joined: 10/11/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Looks like another flip flop to me, but to each his or her own.

I really wonder if you, or BiPolarBer will be the first on collar me to drop to his knees and blow Obama, which one gets sloppy seconds?

If this is indicative of the intelligence level of the far-right,the Republic is safe

Hey now, watch the shots across my bow.

There is wiggle room in his position on this issue, as reparations can be anything from tax breaks to increased college grants... As much as I would like to hold his feet to the fire over his past anti-reparations statements, I have to say his current statement is one that I can agree with. As long as his definition of reparations is applied across the board where warranted, including the many folks that were forced into indentured servitude upon setting foot in this country.

Sorry no fireworks from me on this one.

_____________________________

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends." ~ Japanese Proverb

(in reply to slvemike4u)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 6:24:00 AM

Posts: 6363
Joined: 3/8/2006
Status: offline

The only thing that is keeping some Blacks (and anyone else) poor is not getting an education. Schools are free in this Country. All you have to do is show up..

(in reply to slvemike4u)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 6:24:02 AM

Posts: 17896
Joined: 1/15/2008
From: United States
Status: offline

Thad when I "fire" one across your bow...you will know it...mike

_____________________________

If we want things to stay as they are,things will have to change...Tancredi from "the Leopard"

Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

Funny stuff....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwFf991d-4

(in reply to Thadius)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 6:24:26 AM

Posts: 506
Joined: 2/3/2007
Status: offline

deleted post

< Message edited by UR2Badored -- 8/2/2008 6:46:35 AM >

_____________________________

A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Mark Twain

(in reply to Owner59)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 6:26:37 AM

Posts: 5091
Joined: 10/11/2005
Status: offline

I meant the remark about the intelligence of the far-right (seeing as that is where most people would say I fell along the political spectrum).

_____________________________

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends." ~ Japanese Proverb

(in reply to slvemike4u)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 6:29:12 AM

Posts: 2792
Joined: 9/25/2004
Status: offline

"It can't be homophobic, I live with a bi person."

Oh, now there's a hunk of logic! You said, as an insult, "Which of these two guys will be the first to give Obama a blowjob?" You took a basic sexual action, and used it as a negative. Yes, that's homophobia. A very juvinile form of it, but it IS an attempt to use my orientation against me.

I'm quite capable of digging my own holes in that regaurd, thank you very much. I hardly need your help. However, I will tell you this: my skills at oral sex are NOT something I will ever feel insecure about.

(in reply to slvemike4u)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 6:29:20 AM

Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
If this is indicative of the intelligence level of the far-right,the Republic is safe

You must be the third in line

Another illuminating post there subrob,where do you get your material...oh thanks for the link ,at least that was funny...unlike your sthick!

I always look at the vid maker`s page,to see what else they`re into.

This silly fool posts a hateful scary vid,with the " Obama`s a racists/scary blackman/to risky for POTUS motif.

Lovely.

Another reason I admire Obama.

He`s not afraid to wade into the poop soup to take on a hard subject,even knowing the adult-children, swimming in the deep end will mock him.

< Message edited by Owner59 -- 8/2/2008 6:31:35 AM >

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to slvemike4u)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 6:34:33 AM

Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

"It can't be homophobic, I live with a bi person."

Oh, now there's a hunk of logic! You said, as an insult, "Which of these two guys will be the first to give Obama a blowjob?" You took a basic sexual action, and used it as a negative. Yes, that's homophobia. A very juvinile form of it, but it IS an attempt to use my orientation against me.

I'm quite capable of digging my own holes in that regaurd, thank you very much. I hardly need your help. However, I will tell you this: my skills at oral sex are NOT something I will ever feel insecure about.

Yeah,..he can`t be prejudiced against blacks cuz he got some black friends......

You know how it works....

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to bipolarber)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 6:38:38 AM

Posts: 2792
Joined: 9/25/2004
Status: offline

Anyway....

Apologies? Hummm... guess I'll have to apologize for the burning of Rome... or the wiping out of the Inca, or the Maya...

Sorry! Sorry everyone! My bad!

(in reply to Owner59)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 6:59:52 AM

mastervalentine

Posts: 157
Joined: 3/9/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The only thing that is keeping some Blacks (and anyone else) poor is not getting an education. Schools are free in this Country. All you have to do is show up..

And what kind of education do people get in the inner city?

The quality of an education varies from school to school, region to region.

This is true not only because of subtleties of cultural differences, (For example, a public school in the northern region of America would be more inclined to offer French, while a public school in the southern region of America would be more inclined to offer Spanish, if they each had to choose one of the two.) but also in socio-economic differences as well.

Tell me you would pick a school in the inner city over a school in a rich suburb, and I'd flat out call you a liar.

Money might not buy class, but it sure helps pay for textbooks and extra-curricular programs.

That aside, there is plenty more keeping people (not just blacks) poor in these United States.

We've obliterated our industrial jobs through outsourcing,
(Not only are we increasing our unemployment rates, but we are also creating an imbalance in our overall financial structure.)

Neglected preventative care in keeping corporations and financial institutions in check, ( Corporations have enough power to push political, environmental, and financial decisions through that the average person would never want.)

Allowed the use of inferior parts and labor on critical goods and services such as construction equipment, automotive technology and medical care equipment. (Buying something cheap that costs 2/3 the price of quality work is no longer cost effective when you have to buy it twice. And when a business must cut costs, personnel are usually one of the first areas that see things [namely jobs, but supplies and time usually fall into the category as well] slashed.)

Mass transit looks more and more like the wave of the future. It is a healthy piece of the infrastructure, and if it were made a little more convenient, a little more timely and efficient, more people would choose for themselves to use it, rather than wait for the gas prices to choose for them.
(Not only would it be better for our environment [on a small scale] but it would reduce financial demands in several departments [Including road maintenance, and waste management] allowing just a little more breathing room for other work.)

Long story short, the whole of our infrastructure, as well as policies and thought processes, could use a revamp. Transportation, education, and business policies, both domestic and international.

There is no individual fix that would act as a panacea for the ills of this country, and the people therein. Wishful thinking will never take the place of hard work and dedication.

< Message edited by mastervalentine -- 8/2/2008 7:05:51 AM >

_____________________________

"If philosophy has taught me any one thing, it is that a rushed action invites disaster." ~MasterValentine

Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.' Kahlil Gibran

(in reply to servantforuse)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 7:02:56 AM

Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Thad when I "fire" one across your bow...you will know it...mike

Ah! Sailor metaphors.
I bet I'm the only one on this board who has actually "fired across the bow" non-metaphorically.
And it was "in front" of the bow of a drug smuggler with a .50 Cal machine gun.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

I fucking *cringed* when Clinton "appologised" for "Rwanda."
What an *EGO* on him!

< Message edited by popeye1250 -- 8/2/2008 7:08:32 AM >

_____________________________

"But Your Honor, this is not a Jury of my Peers, these people are all decent, honest, law-abiding citizens!"

(in reply to slvemike4u)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 7:34:49 AM

Posts: 374
Joined: 5/27/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissIsis
I don't understand why it is up to our entire country to apologize, especially because:
1. They are all gone
2. Their own people sold them into slavery
3. Many of us, & many of our descendents never had anything to do with owning slaves. (Some of our descendents actually helped some of the slaves to escape to safety.) There are many US citizens that have only been here for a short number of generations & had nothing to do with any of this.
4. This country fought a civil war, a great part to free them

The U.S. government paid reparations to Japanese citizens (or their descendants if they were deceased) for their internment during WWII. That isn't where the idea first came from, but it did help push the subject to the forefront.

Since it is known that many tribes made a few bucks on the side by working with the slave traders, the idea of demanding reparations from African nations was talked about. But, exactly where is the money going to come from? Besides, is there any political clout in demanding reparations from Zimbabwe?

If your neighbor shoots your dog, and said neighbor is broke, you don't sue them. You sue Smith & Wesson. Especially if they have a history of paying off others before you.

Unless I am mistaken, slavery was not a U.S.Government institution. It was a business practice taken up by private businessmen who were too lazy to pick their own damn cotton (or whatever crop they grew) and too cheap to pay a fair wage to someone else who would do it. (Geez that sounds familiar)

That, to me, is why the government should not be on the hook for reparations. Government policy lead to the Japanese internment and long before that, Government policy lead to the extinction and near extinction of many Native American tribes. Yes, slavery was a bad deal. But the U.S Government didn't directly come up with the idea.

Ultimately, just like with any other business practice that the people speak out against, the government stepped in and outlawed slavery.

The Civil War was not fought to "free the slaves". The Civil War was fought to return the seceding states to the union. Slavery was just one of the reasons the Confederacy was formed.

_____________________________

Do you have any idea how many bones you have left for me to break? - Batman

(in reply to MissIsis)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 7:45:43 AM

Posts: 4591
Joined: 9/13/2004
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber
Oh, now there's a hunk of logic! You said, as an insult, "Which of these two guys will be the first to give Obama a blowjob?" You took a basic sexual action, and used it as a negative. Yes, that's homophobia. A very juvinile form of it, but it IS an attempt to use my orientation against me.

The sex act isn't the negative here, your, and Owner's over the top, he can do no wrong admiration of Obama, and pure hatered of anything conservative, thats the negative. It's a very juvenile, naieve, form of hero worship of a man who hasn't done a damn thing to deserve it.

To be honest, I mistook your name for Bipolar-ber, because you post some crazy assed shit, not Bi-polarber, so to say I was attacking your orentation, is way off base.

< Message edited by subrob1967 -- 8/2/2008 7:47:58 AM >

(in reply to bipolarber)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 7:47:22 AM

Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline

Alot of groups could ask for reparations- how far do you go back?

I am against it.

However- I do think that adeqaute schools and services are essential.

(in reply to SoulPiercer)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 7:50:10 AM

Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline

I might add that we have no choice but to fix or improve urban areas. Why? Cause it will spill over to suburbs and small towns. Part of me thinks it is too late. No easy answeres for sure.

(in reply to popeye1250)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 8:08:07 AM

Posts: 4742
Joined: 1/11/2006
Status: offline

i work with a black lady - married - with a son going off to college this weekend. The hardest worker i have ever known, and devoted to her family.

not everyone is looking for a handout.
not everyone is blaming their past for their present
not everyone subscribes to the Jessie Jackson/ Al Sharpton victimology view of the world - black, white, yellow, pink and brown. Some of us have enough guts, work ethic and brains to pull ourselves up by the boot straps and get ahead.

no - i am not black - my granny was Irish, and during the potato famine emigrated with her family (she was 8) so they wouldn't starve. They had the initiative to get out of Ireland to avoid death. Many of the ones that stayed didn't.
My M-in-L used to talk about how much she hated the English - her family came from Ireland - because of what "they" did to "her" people. It never made much sense to me - that was generations ago, and a time now gone. How can you hate an abstract? And interestingly, she loved to go to England. There was a definite disconnect in her brain - lol.

If you go far enough back into anyones culture, you can find horrific things done to people. Reparations don't change that, they just mean that someone who wasn't involved in the event gets some money from people who had nothing to do with said event.

There is no retroactive justice.

(in reply to popeye1250)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 8:15:13 AM

Posts: 5560
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoulPiercer

The U.S. government paid reparations to Japanese citizens (or their descendants if they were deceased) for their internment during WWII. That isn't where the idea first came from, but it did help push the subject to the forefront.

Since it is known that many tribes made a few bucks on the side by working with the slave traders, the idea of demanding reparations from African nations was talked about. But, exactly where is the money going to come from? Besides, is there any political clout in demanding reparations from Zimbabwe?

If your neighbor shoots your dog, and said neighbor is broke, you don't sue them. You sue Smith & Wesson. Especially if they have a history of paying off others before you.

Unless I am mistaken, slavery was not a U.S.Government institution. It was a business practice taken up by private businessmen who were too lazy to pick their own damn cotton (or whatever crop they grew) and too cheap to pay a fair wage to someone else who would do it. (Geez that sounds familiar)

That, to me, is why the government should not be on the hook for reparations. Government policy lead to the Japanese internment and long before that, Government policy lead to the extinction and near extinction of many Native American tribes. Yes, slavery was a bad deal. But the U.S Government didn't directly come up with the idea.

Ultimately, just like with any other business practice that the people speak out against, the government stepped in and outlawed slavery.

The Civil War was not fought to "free the slaves". The Civil War was fought to return the seceding states to the union. Slavery was just one of the reasons the Confederacy was formed.

Slavery on this continent was in fact, a British government institution. Along with the Portugese, they own a great share of the blame.

But today we are left wth the notion of Oprah, Colin Powell, OJ, Condoleeza Rice, Bill Cosby, Al Sharpton, Whitney Houston, et al. getting a check each month taken from the incomes of Hispanic migrant farm workers, Chinese restaurant workers, Korean grocers, and African immigrants, among others.

Somehow or another, Obama's idea seems to have a little bit more gravitas to it.

(in reply to SoulPiercer)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 8:18:54 AM

Posts: 22039
Joined: 6/14/2006
From: Nampa, Idaho USA
Status: offline

Yeah, I thought he was saying he was bipolar too, I guess I didn't understand it. And now it makes more sense... but still, what is a "polarber"?

_____________________________

Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out

(in reply to subrob1967)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 8:33:40 AM

Posts: 2792
Joined: 9/25/2004
Status: offline

A "polarber" is a polarbear that drops a letter so that the nick can fit into other forum's registration feilds. Thanks for asking...

And actually, the nick works on several levels.... yes, I'm a large white guy, who's a bit on the hirsute side.

Yes, I'm bipolar, in that I have a problem with depression/mania at times. (Thank god most of it has leveled off, after the last 20 years...)

And yes, I consider myself bisexual. I've had relationships with several guys over the years, although I much prefer women.

But, of course, all of this is listed on my profile.

Anf frankly, I think your assesment of my "cocksucking hero worship" of Sen. Obama is close, but not quite on the mark. I find there are problems with him... but there's hardly any need for me to voice any of them since there seems to be an endless supply of racist dittoheads on this site to do that job for me. I just find him infinitely preferable to another 4 to 8 years of living under the Bush regime... even if it is by proxy...

I see the McCain campaign as little more than a change of figureheads. The GOP Sith Lords working behind the scene to find a new, ineffectual ventriloqist dummy to act as their "face man" while they continue to manipulate the economy, start unjust wars against soverign nations, and undermine the Constitution of the US.

I'm not so much for Obama, as I am against the shadow government we've been living under, (to varying degrees) since Ronnie was in office, but on permanent vacation inside his head.

(in reply to Sanity)

RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery":... - 8/2/2008 8:40:35 AM

Posts: 363
Joined: 7/11/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

To argue that there`s no lasting affects from slavery is a bit ignorant.

Perhaps the prejudice blacks suffer(today), is in their imagination?

Maybe it`s genetics, that keeps so many blacks poor or in jail ?....

There is prejudice among all races. Prejudice, as ignorant as it is, is a fact. I have suffered from it and so has just about everyone I know at some point in their lives.

By the way, visit the jails. You will see mostly poor and a fairly well balanced race population. Balanced being percentage of race to that of the race in that community. Some places have a higher percentage, but it is rare to see an overwhelming percentage. Some, not all, will use any excuse to get what they want and do what they do. Have conversations with those criminals and see how many of them feel justified to do what they did. Also see how many cannot come up with anything except a selfish reason for doing what they did.

In no way am I saying this works 100% of the time, but you better believe if there was provable misconduct on the part of ANYONE in this country there would be a mile long line to correct it. And that line would consist of people from every race.

I will say this, he is the most openly prejudice candidate I have LISTENED to in my lifetime. A couple references for those that are not to the extreme left or right. Those that are have made up their minds. These references, many like it and VERY close study of Mr. Obama has my beliefs about him set in stone.

From his church, which after 20 years of belonging to he says he does not agree. Popularity is at stake after all.

"The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY"

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm to see the above for yourselves.

My issue is with numbers 4 and 7 in the extreme and have some issue with numbers 3 and 9 because the views set with numbers 4 and 7 make me expect extreme and unrealistic expectations from this group and their supporters.

I won't get picky about the fact that number 10 has a non-existent word in the English dictionary.

Diaspora- A term for mass migration, used particularly in post-colonial studies to denote the scattering of peoples away from their homelands under pressures such as colonization or slavery

The following reference is a news column titled Obama's Stand on Rev. Wright Clear. If you do not like that reference you may find many others as well.

http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_wright_trinity_/2008/03/18/81352.html

< Message edited by DomDolf -- 8/2/2008 8:45:09 AM >

(in reply to Owner59)

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 next > >>

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: " No apology or reparations for slavery": Obama

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2024

Terms of Service

0.105