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Is there a "secret" BDSM community for the ri... - 8/2/2008 1:38:42 PM

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If kinky people cross all levels of society and income, where do you suppose the uber rich and famous are finding partners? I'm talking about people with more than 250 million dollars in value, or those famous enough that they are recognizable in most venues. Surely they still need to find partners who are kinky, but must do it with more discretion. Are the men forced to see pros and keep their personal life separate? Or is there a hidden, very tight knit underground kinky community?

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 1:45:20 PM

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Yes, but I could lose my membership privledges if I talk about it. Sorry.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 1:46:27 PM

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Are the men forced to see pros

You say that likes its a bad thing. I couldn't cut through the irony here with a hacksaw.....

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:11:20 PM

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I have not heard of any directly, AAkasha. I do have a Domme friend though who started and eventually sold her real estate business and she was relating to me that some of the parties she has been invited to overseas and here in the states that required you to literally have a six figure income just to get in the door. Of course, that is nowhere near the league you are describing but it was apparent that you could only be a part of these parties if you were abundently wealthy. So, I would certainly not be surprised to find out that people in the monetary bracket you are describing have a very close knit underground community or at least have access to resources that only they could afford to be a part of.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:21:30 PM

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I have not heard of any directly, AAkasha. I do have a Domme friend though who started and eventually sold her real estate business and she was relating to me that some of the parties she has been invited to overseas and here in the states that required you to literally have a six figure income just to get in the door. Of course, that is nowhere near the league you are describing but it was apparent that you could only be a part of these parties if you were abundently wealthy. So, I would certainly not be surprised to find out that people in the monetary bracket you are describing have a very close knit underground community or at least have access to resources that only they could afford to be a part of.

Were they specifically kinky/bdsm parties or swinger parties? I'd be curious to know!!

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:25:16 PM

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Are the men forced to see pros and keep their personal life separate? Or is there a hidden, very tight knit underground kinky community?

Akasha

In all seriousness I wouldn't be surprised if there was. People with a great deal of money or power can be hounded by those who want to insert themselves in their lives just to find out "dirty" secrets for blackmail. Can you imagine how much photos of Bill Gates being flogged or tying a girl up would sell for?

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:25:24 PM

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Have you ever really been around any of the people you are talking about???

They do not need a secret society to get whatever they want. They have money and power. I mean, look at some of these people. Not all of them are gorgeous beautiful people with charming personalities. Most are narcisistic, borderline sociopaths. Their whole life is one big mindfuck. They can buy whatever and, more importantly, whomever they want.

Lets just take one semi super wealthy famous guy we allllllll know. Trump. This is not a handsome man. This is not a charming and lovable man. This is a man that lives for business. It comes first and foremost, before family, before the wife of the day, before everything else. Do you REALLY think the latest wife (or any of them) married him for his looks and charm? Doubtful. He bought her, pure and simple. I would imagine that man could do damned near anything he wants to that woman, have every housekeeper in every house they own sucking his pecker while she watched tied up on the bed with an electric butt plug stuck up her arse and he holds the controls. Guranteed whatever it is, the next day she is going to smile for the cameras while gazing adoringly at her man, then go on about her happy shopping way.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:33:09 PM

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Have you ever really been around any of the people you are talking about???

They do not need a secret society to get whatever they want. They have money and power. I mean, look at some of these people. Not all of them are gorgeous beautiful people with charming personalities. Most are narcisistic, borderline sociopaths. Their whole life is one big mindfuck. They can buy whatever and, more importantly, whomever they want.

Lets just take one semi super wealthy famous guy we allllllll know. Trump. This is not a handsome man. This is not a charming and lovable man. This is a man that lives for business. It comes first and foremost, before family, before the wife of the day, before everything else. Do you REALLY think the latest wife (or any of them) married him for his looks and charm? Doubtful. He bought her, pure and simple. I would imagine that man could do damned near anything he wants to that woman, have every housekeeper in every house they own sucking his pecker while she watched tied up on the bed with an electric butt plug stuck up her arse and he holds the controls. Guranteed whatever it is, the next day she is going to smile for the cameras while gazing adoringly at her man, then go on about her happy shopping way.

Of course, but he would never know if the person who was with him and kinky was just being kinky "for him." One of the biggest complaints from submissive men is when they have a wife or girlfriend who obviously is doing it just for them. I can imagine this is no different for rich and powerful men; sure, the latest hot model can tie him up and beat him like nobody's business, but is she doing it because she wants to, because she just wants to please him, or because she wants his money? It actually adds another layer of doubt to the reality of it. What he may really want is a woman who treated him like a whore and had no idea he had any money or power. Then he'd know she was doing it for real. Or, he if found her in a very legitimate circle of kinky people who shared a sincere interest in the lifestyle -- and in discretion.

Akasha

Edit to add: Yes, I am around these kinds of people fairly regularly, but am not in a position to ask them if they have a kinky underground!

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:36:26 PM

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AAkasha, these were definitely kinky/bdsm related parties that were for the very upper class. One of the things I remember quite distinctly about that particular conversation was when she was relating to me how the location she was invited to in Hawaii was on a private yacht and they had literally rented a very large section of the harbor they were in. I remember that in particular because she had mentioned how the security personnel for the party consisted of lifestyle people who owned their own luxery boats and had blocked off that section to avoid any curious eyes.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:39:09 PM

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Society? Yes. Secret, well not so much. And yes, they use "Pros".

News of the World, recently splashed it on the British papers. Only they thought BDSM wasn't hot enough, so they lied and claimed it was a NAZI BDSM session..

Read about it here:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1728032,00.html

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:42:05 PM

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Society? Yes. Secret, well not so much. And yes, they use "Pros".

News of the World, recently splashed it on the British papers. Only they thought BDSM wasn't hot enough, so they lied and claimed it was a NAZI BDSM session..

Read about it here:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1728032,00.html

I'm familiar with that story; and it is part of the reason I asked if the rich and famous are limited in their options, and while they may desire kinky casual relationships or romances, they can't afford the risk and as a result, indulge their desires via the use of professionals. I have heard that often "high profile" clients visit pros and there are some well known examples but not nearly as many as one would suspect, which means the pros are really keeping quiet or the rich and famous aren't using their services; so where do they go instead?

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:43:00 PM

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if there is im sure charlie sheen knows of it....

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:47:30 PM

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Well, I know via indirect evidence that there are plenty of rich folk out there who enjoy BDSM at a much more elegant level than most of us do. (They should be more careful who they take their photo-processing to, is all I can say.) But as to if there is a "secret underground society" of BDSM... it's impossible to say. At least, nothing more than an overglorified "Plato's Retreat" that has a high income membership standard anyway. I've heard that some of the parties in Dubai are pretty amazing though....

I think the problem is, it's hard to flaunt the wealth you inherited, when naked...

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:50:43 PM

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If you are rich, you can pretty much find anything, or get someone to comply. Doesn't matter if you want to bind someone tight, or have them change your diaper, for enough incentive I am sure that people would put up with it.
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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:53:29 PM

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Aakasha,

And even when married, the risks are huge for them... look at what happened between Jack Ryan (R) and his then wife Jeri... They split up, there was a custody battle, and suddenly she was claiming that he "forced her" to go to several kinky clubs in the UK and Germany.

To say the least, things got ugly.

No wonder the rich and famous (especially the famous) hire pros to live out their fantasies.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:54:05 PM

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According to ex-Governor Spitzer of New York there is no secret about it at all.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:54:59 PM

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If you are rich, you can pretty much find anything, or get someone to comply. Doesn't matter if you want to bind someone tight, or have them change your diaper, for enough incentive I am sure that people would put up with it.
Kyst

So for submissive men who desire a woman with a REAL interest in being cruel to them, doesn't the wealth just make it even more difficult to tell?

Or does it raise another question: If a submissive man is that wealthy or famous and he can literally have models, porn stars, actresses, all doing anything for his favor, does the "hot factor" of the ladies and the vast availability - and their REAL urgency to PERFORM well for him -- completely overshadow the urge to find someone who is honestly enjoying the dominance?

Subs - if you could have 100 women who were "perfect 10s" at your beck and call as your "femdom" but knew deep down they were probably just kind of acting it out, would you choose that over 1 "plain jane" who really was sadistic, but not quite that hot?

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 2:59:29 PM

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Acting is a skill. (In my opinion, anyone into role-playing should at the very least take some community theater classes. Being in NYC, I take Improv lessons)

I can assure you that a good actress will make you think that deep down, they loved dominating you. Particularly if you pay well. Money can easily buy that kind of performance.

On top of that, many dominant people are drawn to performing arts. Hence the "Diva" reputation/legend. If anything, I would say a submissive millionare person could easily find a dominant actress that really loved to cane him.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 3:31:56 PM

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I have met more than a few wealthy people, they seem inordinately good at being cruel. Why would having more money conceal that?
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