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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 4:27:57 PM

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Im not rich. I just pretend to be on the tv show.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 4:28:02 PM

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Another few points to ponder.

There is a certain level of wealth in which it becomes a really small community of people. As in any small community there are very few secrets between the members. It is also a very incestuous community. They play together, they live behind gates in exclusive neighbourhoods with one another, they travel to the same places, they usually even marry one another.

In that elevated world of money and power, they are behind a veil that protects them from us and us from them. Their business dealings, their arranged marriages, their insecurities and humanity. It is all behind a veil of glittering illusion. We only see what they want us to see.

I am pretty sure a few games of slap tickle is really nothing shocking in their world. You have to remember that kind of wealth has not just the power to keep peons like me out, but to make peons like me dissappear if we cause trouble.

I do agree, I would think that a submissive male would be the most vulnerable if indeed he was looking for a compatible life partner. But I doubt he is. Chances are he is looking for a compatible business partner to marry, that will help protect him, while he pursues his satisfaction elsewhere.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 4:40:46 PM

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While the question is a good one, there have been and are cults consists of very wealthy people in the past (i.e. the one that Princess Grace of Monaco flirted with and the Hellfire Club, the swinger/call girl ring involved with Profumo scandal) so it is more than likely there is a bdsm group consisting only of wealthy people who enact their fantasies amongst their own. Whether this is intentional is a matter of debate, but I tend to think that if such a group existed it has to do with like attracting like. Wealthy people feel more comfortable with wealthy people. It is a form of insulation from the world outside of their class. Aside from the recently wealthy, most have connections with other wealthy people and date within those groups accordingly. If I were to point to a film of an outsider gaining access it would probably be "The Talented Mr. Ripley." So take heart that there is a far wealthier Akasha tying up wealthy rich men and who has a coitery of wealthy women friends who join in for fun.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 4:56:50 PM

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I would imagine that man could do damned near anything he wants to that woman, have every housekeeper in every house they own sucking his pecker while she watched tied up on the bed with an electric butt plug stuck up her arse and he holds the controls. Guranteed whatever it is, the next day she is going to smile for the cameras while gazing adoringly at her man, then go on about her happy shopping way.

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One of the things I remember quite distinctly about that particular conversation was when she was relating to me how the location she was invited to in Hawaii was on a private yacht and they had literally rented a very large section of the harbor they were in. I remember that in particular because she had mentioned how the security personnel for the party consisted of lifestyle people who owned their own luxery boats and had blocked off that section to avoid any curious eyes.

She was pulling your leg. Why go to that amount of trouble when a motor yacht can be away from prying eyes in half an hour on the open ocean? i think it's a riff on some old urban legend about a celebrity swinger's party on Lake Havasu or something.

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Subs - if you could have 100 women who were "perfect 10s" at your beck and call as your "femdom" but knew deep down they were probably just kind of acting it out, would you choose that over 1 "plain jane" who really was sadistic, but not quite that hot?

Hells no. Now, if i had to choose between a natural sadist and having $250M... That would be a toughie.

Shoot, i wouldn't be surprised if there are a few real-life versions of the club in "Hostel" tucked away in Southeast Asia or the Emirates... And no doubt there's a very select BDSM scene for the elites.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 6:51:25 PM

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Well let's see...I've shook hands with a few very famous people at BDSM events. There are some ex-pro sports players. My ex was an author of three books and owns a company which produces a unique product that has been used at the Academy Awards and Disney Land. These people were discreet and very aware that gossip could tank their careers and/or public marketability.

My ex attended public parties at the Lair in LA, but never played in public....and we attended a lot private parties where everyone in the room had a lot to lose if it became public knowledge.

Was it a secret society? Not really. It was more of a very quiet and careful society.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 7:03:27 PM

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I've been kind of fascinated by this idea ever since I saw Eyes Wide Shut. However, people in this bracket of society are not as insular as some posters have made them sound. The problem is, as OsideGirl pointed out, they have a lot more to lose by being open about their alternative lifestyle. That creates a large incentive to stay behind closed doors, surrounded by people you trust, or people who have as much to lose as you do.

As for meeting partners, I imagine the problems are very much similar to meeting vanilla partners. Whether it's BDSM or not, people with so much wealth must always worry about whether they are truly loved for themselves or their possessions. It's a lonely and unenviable position.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 7:11:35 PM

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No, but as has been alluded to, there is a secret handshake.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/2/2008 10:10:52 PM

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I'm sure they own all of the convincing service tops they will ever need.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/3/2008 9:59:05 AM

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If kinky people cross all levels of society and income, where do you suppose the uber rich and famous are finding partners? I'm talking about people with more than 250 million dollars in value, or those famous enough that they are recognizable in most venues. Surely they still need to find partners who are kinky, but must do it with more discretion. Are the men forced to see pros and keep their personal life separate? Or is there a hidden, very tight knit underground kinky community?

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Money buys privacy. There are parties and events held by people who do have a great deal of money- and some of those parties have a kink element to them. But there isn't some club where if you get 100+ million dollars you get a key to the clubhouse... Just people who crave something more, who have the resources to explore more...

Something else to consider: if you are seeing a "pro" for a session that costs $10,000+ per night, you are probably very, very comfortable financially. I have this on a smaller scale. I charge $1,200 for 24 hour sessions and $750 for one night here in my retreat. I don't ask about any financial details apart from the obvious ones, but I'm certain that those who would see me, make enough so that isn't a big deal. I would assume that the same is true for those Dommes who charge $750-$2,000 per hour. Their clients must be in a financial position to do that- or they won't be clients very long.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/3/2008 4:15:43 PM

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why can't uber-weathly/famous people just do what "regular" people do and have a relationships with one person who shares their interests or maybe a one primary person and a few others?

I'm sure it's not hard to find very private outlets for said interests/desires

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/3/2008 5:57:46 PM

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I don't think they are THAT well hidden. Not with sites like http://www.asianslave.biz/ floating around. 100k per year for a professional slavegirl is CERTAINLY only for the rich.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/3/2008 7:26:37 PM

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I know I'm going off on a bit of a tangent here, but I've often wondered about the relationship between Sting (Gordon Sumner) and his wife Trudy. I think there is something more going on there. I can't explain why. It's just a sense I get whenever I've seen the two of them together on t.v.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/4/2008 11:40:28 AM

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Aakasha,
Although, as you may suspect, I'm not anywhere near the end of the spectrum that you describe, but I'd gladly be chosen by plain Jane (pain Jane?) authentic sadist over hottie actress every time. It's the idea of the mutual groove that gets me.
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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/4/2008 1:09:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: Solipsistic

I've been kind of fascinated by this idea ever since I saw Eyes Wide Shut. However, people in this bracket of society are not as insular as some posters have made them sound. The problem is, as OsideGirl pointed out, they have a lot more to lose by being open about their alternative lifestyle. That creates a large incentive to stay behind closed doors, surrounded by people you trust, or people who have as much to lose as you do.

As for meeting partners, I imagine the problems are very much similar to meeting vanilla partners. Whether it's BDSM or not, people with so much wealth must always worry about whether they are truly loved for themselves or their possessions. It's a lonely and unenviable position.

I have been to an 'Eyes Wide Shut' party...it was marginally beleiveable, as everyone socialized in the living room before adjourning to the cloak room, and yes masks were worn by all...

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/4/2008 4:41:26 PM

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...this s. would much prefer the genuine sadist plain as Jane or whatever....

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/4/2008 4:48:29 PM

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There are definitely celebs and other wealthy, influential men who see Pro Dommes.

So, my guess is... no, probably not.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/4/2008 5:22:42 PM

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They're at the same places you seek a partner..on here, on other personals sites, in real life at parties, the grocery store, etc...they just don't go around telling everyone how much money they make or who they are.
They are usually the ones that keep a lower profile and their profiles are usually sparse or they just are low key although from time to time you'll run across one or two who can't get a date any other way than to flaunt their money and status.
They're around. You just need to pay attention.

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/4/2008 5:31:27 PM

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Wow................so let's all focus on what we don't have, what we're excluded from or where we perceive our selves lacking because it feels so much more (ugh)familiar! omg.............

   Cut the crap, guys, we find what we're looking for and if you don't like, wh? you see, guess what? It's all been done before anyway and you/we weren't the first and we won't be the last to be with/with-out, the only applicable question is this, "are you having any fun" because it's all up to you...............

    Only you know the answer to that question! Judgment isn't fun anymore, and the reasons why are obvious...............not to mention it's extremely non-productive.............(lamenting days of simpler times)&(stepping lightly down fr. soap box)

   Be safe all.............

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RE: Is there a "secret" BDSM community for th... - 8/4/2008 5:33:23 PM

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Wow................so let's all focus on what we don't have, what we're excluded from or where we perceive our selves lacking because it feels so much more (ugh)familiar! omg.............

   Cut the crap, guys, we find what we're looking for and if you don't like, wh? you see, guess what? It's all been done before anyway and you/we weren't the first and we won't be the last to be with/with-out, the only applicable question is this, "are you having any fun" because it's all up to you...............

    Only you know the answer to that question! Judgment isn't fun anymore, and the reasons why are obvious...............not to mention it's extremely non-productive.............(lamenting days of simpler times)&(stepping lightly down fr. soap box)

   Be safe all.............

   ~d~