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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/6/2005 4:37:18 PM   
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Dr's aren't going to transform a male to a female, on the whims of a Domme---there has to be psychological counselling, medications, meetings etc--so I am having a hard time grasping the reality here, maybe its just too extreme for Me to even do that, but where are the Dr's to say " uh hon--it has to go alot deeper than your whims"


There was a news article in India recently which mentioned the phenomenon of parents wanting to get a sex change for their daughters so they would have a son.

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Confirmation comes from Delhi-based plastic surgeon Sukhdayal Singh Sethi, who stopped performing transsexual surgeries a few years ago.

He talks about how he had to turn down pleas for sex change from Haryana and Rajasthan families because he was unable to check the authenticity of their claims. "I've had parents requesting their daughters to be changed into sons. As they were not accompanied by their daughters, I had no way of checking the genuineness of their claims," says Sethi. However, that wouldn't have prevented them from going to some other doctor. "I have performed seven surgeries so far, all of them from female to male, only after ascertaining that the cases were genuine. The surgeries have been performed after getting all the legal documents attested by a magistrate. And all this was done only after a team of psychiatrists was convinced about the individual's desire to change. I have kept all the affidavits as backup," says Sethi. Mumbai-based Dr Kalpesh Gajiwala too has had to turn down requests from families who wanted to change their daughters' sex. It was Gajiwala who handled the case of Aparna Mafatlal, who became Ajay Mafatlal, ostensibly to stake a claim in the family fortune.

Full article
Its worth noting that doctors in India secure and maintain paperwork to support their decisions to do these surgeries. It would surprise me if British standards of care were less stringent.


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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/6/2005 5:24:33 PM   
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i am not sure of this either. it was only on 11/28 according to her journal that she was visited by a doctor concerning the procedure. it leaves me with questions. a pict would be nice to validate who she is. Just me but it seems a bit harsh and extreme and quick forall of this to happen in less than a week.

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/6/2005 5:42:12 PM   
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my last post in this part..
if...IF there IS a Domme involved????

one would give rise to hope that She would present Herself to validate this person rowena?
some site or such?

maybe it's just me?

i'm outta here



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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/6/2005 7:18:34 PM   
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How lovely. I think the forced feminization of a male who is submissive to a female is quite fitting.

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/6/2005 11:34:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: onceburned

There was a news article in India recently which mentioned the phenomenon of parents wanting to get a sex change for their daughters so they would have a son.



If Rowena had said they had the surgery done in India i'd have maybe believed him a little more.
He said the surgery happened in the USA (he is from UK, apparently) and that is very very unlikely... USA does not perform gender reassignment surgery on "whims" of people... the USA doesn't even have very many doctors who will perform gender reassignment surgery on MTFs or FTMs who've been living as their innergender for years.

You know? There's a big difference between USA doctors... and doctors from India or Japan (?) as someone else earlier linked to. (i have no idea about UK doctors - but i'm assuming they match closer to the USA medicial views than to Indias views or Japans...)

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/7/2005 5:59:31 AM   
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Actually the link that was posted a few entries ago was for a clinic in Thailand. Even they want documentation from other medical professionals before performing SRS.

I must say though, that their prices seem to be a major bargain.

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/7/2005 8:02:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tasha_tart

Actually the link that was posted a few entries ago was for a clinic in Thailand. Even they want documentation from other medical professionals before performing SRS.

I must say though, that their prices seem to be a major bargain.

Tasha



What the website says and what is actual can be very different, especially in places like Thailand. I think if you have the money you can pretty much get what you want, with or without the documentation. Fake documentation can also be generated with ease.


Rowena is very young, then again for transformation purposes it is best to have it done at a young age. The most successful transformations are done at a young age before the male hormones make a lasting effect on ones body. I'm not saying it was right or wrong just throwing out another argument.

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/7/2005 1:36:12 PM   
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What the website says and what is actual can be very different, especially in places like Thailand. I think if you have the money you can pretty much get what you want, with or without the documentation. Fake documentation can also be generated with ease.

Yes, very true. I am not so naive as to believe that money doesn't talk.


Rowena is very young, then again for transformation purposes it is best to have it done at a young age. The most successful transformations are done at a young age before the male hormones make a lasting effect on ones body. I'm not saying it was right or wrong just throwing out another argument.

Yes age certainly does play a part in it, and yes younger is generally better...especially if one is planning to force the transformation on someone that was taken as a slave while still legally a child, without benefit of medical/psychological counselling or supervision, hormone therapy, or any of the other requisites of legitimate SRS.



And that closes my last post on this thread. I still do not believe that it was ever real; if it is, my apologies for my lack of belief. However, I do stand by everything else I posted..

Tasha

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/8/2005 10:31:54 PM   
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You know? There's a big difference between USA doctors... and doctors from India or Japan (?) as someone else earlier linked to. [/color]


Huh?

Are we so naive to believe that money doesn't talk and all doctors in the USA follow the protocols recommended for gender reassignment therapy and surgery?

Having a wonderful male friend who's been on the non-consensual side of having female hormones forced into his body, I say, just because we don't want things to happen in the USA doesn't mean they don't.

Rowena opened this thread asking for opinions about whether forum members thought her mistress is extreme and asked has this been done to other male slaves.

Do I think it's extreme? Yes.
If it works for both of them and harms none, then I wish Rowena all the happiness and success in her relationship with her mistress.

Has this been done to other male slaves?
I can only answer for one.
His relationship with his master was not healthy and his master had begun forcing hormones to feminize him into his system. His master wanted to start surgey, but with the help of his family, he was able to escape from this destructive relationship. Think "Stockholm Syndrome" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Whether Rowena's story is fantasy or reality, she asks valid questions that perhaps may open someone's eyes to the potentially unhealthy side of living as a slave so willing to please her mistress/master, that they would switch genders when not normally inclined to do so.


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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/9/2005 12:01:09 AM   
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Hmm… I think the validity of Rowena isn’t really the issue here. Whether or not sHe is a reality or not, the shock value is amazing. I think, real or not, Rowena has raised questions that have rippled through both spectrums of the D/s lifestyle. Lets have a look at it for what it (could be) is.
1.Does this make a Dominant shudder? Yes, I do. Is it unfathomable? Wouldn’t cross my mind.
2.Does it make the submissive feel trapped and frightened? I would think so. Does it make the submissive question “total control”? I would hope.
3. Is it extreme? No. In my list of demands I specifically state “The body, mind, and soul of the “girl” is mine to mold and shape into whatever pleases me.” Would I buy a new set of tits for my “girl”? If we were in accord, yes.
4. Can money buy such things in America? Hmmm… how many politicians got busted in the kiddy prostitution sting? You can vote anyone into any office and with enough money you can rent them too.

This is, however, my opinion. Does the extreme nature of the “Rowena saga” startle me? Sure. Does it make me question the life? NO. Do I think it will make obtaining a sub/slave harder? I sure hope so. Remember Tempest fugit whether we want it to or not. I want my “girls” eyes wide open.
The moral of the story; Some people are bound by their word. Whether it is in voice or print honor should bind us all. So please write your contracts, negotiate the terms, and make informed decisions. If your contract is breached by either party… walk away.


Post script. Did anyone really care if Clinton boned Monica? I sure didn’t. The only person that should care or have any right to question him was Hillary. In addition, I am thoroughly convinced she banged Monica too.

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/13/2005 6:23:51 PM   
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agreed.

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/13/2005 6:43:13 PM   
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All I have to say to you lad, is think about what you are doing. There is a point of crossing which it is just waaayyy too far. Have you even ever explored yourself as a man? You might be happy with yourself, you just may not know it.

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/14/2005 2:02:18 AM   
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I have been in a yahoo group about sex change and people who take the full process take years to do it .... they start by chemical sex change thru hormonal treatment before taking the physical churgical operations (yes various operations not only one).
So for me its only fantasy...

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/14/2005 12:31:13 PM   
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Too extreme?

INSANITY is what it is. Too young by far. A Dominant that would do this to somebody without it being something the slave dearly desires is criminal IMO. (I don't understand this feminization stuff to begin with but certainly do not dictate to others how they should live.)

There ARE limits to control, without exception, in any D/s relationship. If the Mistress says to me "kill yourself." Um, no don't think so. The relationship would be history. Crazy crazy crazy.

Of course I too doubt the legitimacy of this story.

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/14/2005 2:11:48 PM   
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Wether all this is reality or not, USA is the rich country where money is god and usable to buy ANYTHING... So, below radar SRS shouldn´t really be difficult, though some people feel it´s wrong and therefore say it doesnt exist.

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/15/2005 4:18:31 AM   
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As sad & as wrong as it is, I'm sure there are plenty of sources to gain the meds & surgeries needed in order to change one's gender.

My partner is M2F TS & she makes every effort to speak at lectures in order to educate people about many issues. Not just the transition, but about the legalities, rights & absence of rights in many cases.

Anyone that is a candidate for transition &/or SRS SHOULD seek out professionals. The choice to proceed SHOULD be made by the person that is going to be the transitioning. SHOULD would be the proper way, but not always the case. It is sad for me to think that there has actually been people actually forced to transition, but it is true. What I would like to say & do to those who have forced these people to undergo is not suitable for forums or public speaking.

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/15/2005 9:18:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TeeGO

Too extreme?

INSANITY is what it is. Too young by far. A Dominant that would do this to somebody without it being something the slave dearly desires is criminal IMO. (I don't understand this feminization stuff to begin with but certainly do not dictate to others how they should live.)

There ARE limits to control, without exception, in any D/s relationship. If the Mistress says to me "kill yourself." Um, no don't think so. The relationship would be history. Crazy crazy crazy.

Of course I too doubt the legitimacy of this story.



I agree 100%. Well said !!

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/15/2005 10:03:07 AM   
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Wether all this is reality or not, USA is the rich country where money is god and usable to buy ANYTHING... So, below radar SRS shouldn't really be difficult, though some people feel it´s wrong and therefore say it doesnt exist.

The last such person to offer 'below radar' SRS (if you can even call it that) in the US was John Ronald Brown. You migh have heard of him referred to as "Butcher" Brown. He lost his medical license in 1977 when three of his "patients" nearly died after surgeries performed by him in such sterile environments as garages and hotel rooms. He's currently serving a second degree murder sentence of 15 years after the death of his last "patient."

SRS isn't simple surgery and the number of people in the world who can perform it with any level of competence is surprisingly low. No one with the skill to perform this surgery is going to risk their practice/reputation/livelihood/freedom to perform it on someone dragged in off the street by their "Mistress".

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/15/2005 5:01:41 PM   
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stef ~ thanks for saying that...

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RE: Extreme feminisation - 12/17/2005 3:15:13 PM   
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i think your very lucky seams like you got to have your cake and eat it too. wish my wife would go out and buy me breasts

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