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Zaraseeks -> Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 7:35:41 PM)

I have been facing this a lot in my current power exchange, all things aside (excuses) I still am not being reliable, so Doms why do you find it important your sub be reliabe and subs, why is it important to you as a sub to be reliabe to your do, of course there are a lot of surface answers but i am looking for something deeper, you guys may be surprised what you find one you start to type, thanks
lil zara




Aileen1968 -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 7:37:12 PM)

Because unreliable people suck?




CalifChick -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 7:37:31 PM)

Take out orientation completely, it's nothing special to BDSM.  It is important to me that my partner can rely on me, and it is important to me that I can rely on them.  Otherwise, there is no trust (because they aren't doing what they said they would).  I cannot have a relationship without trust.


Cali




Zaraseeks -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 7:43:35 PM)

I agree cali, and thanks, but i am wondering why people deem it specificly important with a dubmissive




CalifChick -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 7:46:13 PM)

That's what I was saying.. the submissive part is irrelevant.  Is it important that a lesbian be reliable? A heterosexual? A boyfriend? A parent? A neighbor?  Can you have any sort of good relationship with someone who is unreliable?  Or do you tend to keep them at arms length, so their unreliability doesn't impact you?


Cali






katie978 -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 7:47:41 PM)

  I'm not sure it's any more important with a submissive, but I'll take a shot at it.

A submissive is someone who seeks to serve their dominant's needs. If my dominant wants to meet me at 4 o'clock for coffee, and I'm somewhere until 5, then I wasn't serving my dominant's needs in any fashion-he requested my presence, and I showed him that I thought he wasn't worth my time. By only showing up when YOU feel like it, or when you don't have anything better to do, then you're essentially dictating the relationship...and although you might still be the one getting spanked, you're the one in charge.

Personally, I find it rude beyond believing. I'm the type who is 15-30 minutes early for everything, and I would never, ever blow off my dominant for any reason apart from being unconscious or something and unable to contact him.




aleshaDreams -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 7:49:47 PM)

Being reliable should not be exclusive to the lifestyle but across the board.  If you think about it, reliability vs not reliable says much to the character of a person.




yourMissTress -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 8:08:22 PM)

Reliable...

Your dom tells you to be ready to go at 6 pm for dinner.  You hire a sitter, you pick out your clothes and make sure that they are properly cleaned and pressed, you go to a salon for a mani-pedi, spend an hour on your hair.  At 3 pm when you are a little hungry you forego a snack because you don't want to spoil your dinner.  You pick up the sitter, feed and bathe the children, dress, make up, slip into your hose and shoes and sit down near the window so you can walk out the door when you see his car pull in the driveway....

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and your dom walks in the door at 10:30, he played raquetball with a co-worker and forgot to tell you.


Reliability isn't more important in BDSM, exchange dom for  husband/boyfriend/friend/relative/coworker/whatever, the disappointment is the same.  Reliability is important in a human being with whom you make a connection and have a relationship.  Reliability is bound with trust, when a person proves to be reliable they prove themselves untrustworthy, they do not do what they say they are going to do. 

Reliability is also bound with respect.  Telling someone you will be there at 5 and then not getting there until 6 is disrespectful.  It is showing no regard for their time and effort, and no value of them as people. 

If you want to keep it in a BDSM only context, how can a dominant trust and respect a submissive who has no trust or respect for them?





CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 8:12:23 PM)



First and foremost, being reliable is a reflection of keeping one's word -- it is a form of honesty. In that sense, I consider reliability a necessary trait for someone who hopes to be a part of our household, because honesty and integrity are vital to our household's well-being.

One other thing that strikes me is that having a submissive individual who is consistently unreliable shows a certain disdain for the importance of the relationship in hir life. The thinking goes that, if the relationship is important, and if the submissive individual respects and values the presence of the dominant individual in hir life, xhe will make it a point to be reliable, so that the dominant individual is not overly inconvenienced.

For me, it is crucial that my servants be reliable, and for reasons that only partially have to do with my perception of reliability and promptness being a sign of proper courtesy (on either side of the collar). I am an inherently chaotic person, but I have forced myself to maintain a measure of reliability, and if I make a promise, I keep it. I am not late for appointments, nor do I arrive empty-handed, fail to take proper notes, confirm instructions, etc. If I can do this, as erratic as my nature is, I expect that my servant will do so. It is also crucial to me because, as chaotic as I am, it is a strain for me to have to be so structured all of the time... and yet, if I cannot rely on my servant to attend to the things he has been assigned, then someone -must- make sure that the assignments are completed so that -others- with whom I must deal (and extend courtesy to) will not be offended or inconvenienced by our household's inconsistency. Because of that, inconsistent, unreliable servants do not do well in our household.

In terms of casual arrangements, when someone is bottoming to me, I am taking time out of my very busy day to prepare and do a scene. I also typically must pay for play-space on a scheduled basis for some of the things that we do. If a bottom is unreliable or consistently tardy, it is not worth my while to make plans with that person. At first, I will transfer more of the responsibility onto them -- if xhe's late more than twice or fails to let me know xhe isn't coming more than twice, xhe pays for the rental of play-space the next time we meet. If xhe doesn't bring the things I've asked hir to have after the first time xhe "forgets", we don't play (Yes, I probably have spares in -my- toybag, but that isn't the point). If xhe is consistently late and I'm kept waiting for more than 10 minutes on 2 or more occasions, I start charging by the minute at my freelance writer's rate (because I would probably be using that time to write, were I not sitting around in a semi-dark room waiting for the bottom.) If it happens more than 4 times, or more than 3 times in a row, I won't schedule playtime with that person any more, because clearly, they don't value the time being set aside for them.

I don't know if this makes any sense, but that is how I see the whole issue of reliability.

Calla Firestorm




kessbm45lilgirl -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 8:33:00 PM)

The question is not why the Dom wants you to be realibable or obedient  but why you feel the need to disobey him/her? Because when you do not do what is requested of you  what do you get out of it? what needs do you have that are not being met that you act out to get negative attention? the reward of being obedient outweighs any doubts about the order given. I do not always follow orders in fact I can be quite implusive sometimes gets me in trouble but I always accept responsiblity for the choices I make and the conquences he  melds out. I have trust issues and sometimes I have feel the need to "test" how far I can push him. I have figured out finally its not worth it. As I write this I see my reason is weak and I need to knock it off. Thank you.




Huntertn -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 8:42:43 PM)

Because if I can't trust you to keep your word...what in hell makes you think your going to be staying around me...either as a sub..or as a friend..After all, I work 10 to 12 hours a day..and most of the subs do too...Why should either Dom's or subs have to put up with other subs or Dom's like that????? Call it manners if you like..




ownedgirlie -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 8:49:05 PM)

If he can't rely on me to do what he wants, what would be his point in keeping me?




LotusSong -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 8:51:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zaraseeks

I have been facing this a lot in my current power exchange, all things aside (excuses) I still am not being reliable, so Doms why do you find it important your sub be reliabe and subs, why is it important to you as a sub to be reliabe to your do, of course there are a lot of surface answers but i am looking for something deeper, you guys may be surprised what you find one you start to type, thanks
lil zara


What use would being UNreliable be?




KnightofMists -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 8:53:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zaraseeks

I have been facing this a lot in my current power exchange, all things aside (excuses) I still am not being reliable, so Doms why do you find it important your sub be reliabe and subs, why is it important to you as a sub to be reliabe to your do, of course there are a lot of surface answers but i am looking for something deeper, you guys may be surprised what you find one you start to type, thanks
lil zara


Reliability is key block in the building of trust... and trust is a key in the building of intimate relationship.

Of course... one can be a reliable fuck up... or an reliable star............ ... but either way... that kind of reliability one can trust them to continue to be a fuck up or a star.




Missokyst -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 8:58:09 PM)

I dont know why I thought of this but.. my sister is very reliable.  We can pretty much rely on the fact that her timetable will run 60-90 mins behind the rest of the world.  So that means if dinner is planned we better have a nice lunch earlier in the day.  It means that I can sit and watch that extra episode of CSI on Spike before she knocks on the door.  We have been trained over the years to accept that our needs are not as important as hers are.
So.. do you really think that being unreliable is the impression you want to leave with someone who should be important to you?
Being sub has little to do with it, nor has being dominant.  What it says to me is that they could care less how anyone else feels.
Kyst




Owner4SexSlave -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 9:01:44 PM)

In my book, it does not matter what orientation they are, or if they are in the lifestyle or not.   If somebody promises/agrees to do something and they don't, they are only causing more chaos then what it's worth.

It's nice to be surrounded by people you can count on.   




CalifChick -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 9:03:15 PM)

Funny enough Mist, we had a family member like that.  When we stopped catering to her, she stopped being late.  It took a few cold meals, a few missed events, and more than once the shocked look on her face that we did not wait for her.


Cali




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 9:07:16 PM)

I can not believe that a mature person who had their act together would have to ask why is it important for a sub to be reliable. Hell take submissive out of it.  why any human should be reliable. Why shouldn't they be reliable. I'd see it as being immature and not having their act together and being someone I wouldn't want to be a part of  if someone wasn't reliable.

That goes for all walks of human, submisive or not.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Zaraseeks

I have been facing this a lot in my current power exchange, all things aside (excuses) I still am not being reliable, so Doms why do you find it important your sub be reliabe and subs, why is it important to you as a sub to be reliabe to your do, of course there are a lot of surface answers but i am looking for something deeper, you guys may be surprised what you find one you start to type, thanks
lil zara




leadership527 -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 9:08:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zaraseeks
I agree cali, and thanks, but i am wondering why people deem it specificly important with a dubmissive


While I agree with what cali said, I do have some specific parts that apply to my slave.  I need her to be reliable for the following reasons:
  1. If she is unreliable, then I am likely going to need to punish her (real punishmnet).  And hands down that is the thing I despise the MOST about being her Master.  Very quickly, this type of thing would cause me to remove her collar again if it was constant because I couldn't handle constantly punishing the woman I love.  I'd also be asking myself why did I have to?
  2. I'm emotionally exposed here also.  We are both new to this and the emotional harm she could cause me with a teary face and the statement, "I can't believe you did this to me" would be ... well... more than a bit hurtful.
  3. We don't currently do any serious SM play, but if we did, what if she got a bug up her butt and went to the police claiming spousal abuse?  I'm guessing it would be "lock me up and throw away the key" time.
  4. Because she IS reliable, I don't need to wonder what's going on all the time.  She isn't rebellious.  She doesn't play games.  If there is a problem with her obeying some command, I am utterly confident that it's a real problem not laziness, disinterest, or some other thing that would require both more investigation on my part and likely some sort of punishment (see point #1 above about how I hate that).

Off the top of my head, those are the ways that I care MORE about her being reliable than I did when she was simply my wife.

Hope that helps
~Jeff




HagiaSophia -> RE: Why is it important a submiisive be reliable? (8/4/2008 9:10:43 PM)

I agree with the previous posters wholeheartedly. It's about honesty, integrity, and respect. All are excellent reasons why reliability should be important to you in general.

But I think you might be looking for something along the lines of this:

Because your behavior is a reflection of your Dominant.  When you are unreliable, you make your Dominant look unreliable. Reliability is the cornerstone of pleasing one's Dominant. If I can't rely on my sub, he or she is useless to me, a liability even.

More importantly, why do you feel the need to ignore your Dominant's needs and wishes? I'm not chastisizing you, just asking a question.

Always,
Mistress Sophia




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