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Left alone in bondage part 9 - 8/5/2008 10:01:08 AM

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In a folow up to last weeks story here http://www.collarchat.com/m_2039797/tm.htm .....

Sydney - A 58-year-old widow told an Australian court on Tuesday how she slapped her comatose husband and put bulldog clips on his nipples to try and revive him after a bondage session went too far.

Jean Margaret Meiers, before a Brisbane court on a charge of manslaughter, said she had left her 47-year-old partner tied to a concrete post to have a shower.

from http://www.collarchat.com/forumid_50/p_/tmode_1/smode_1/tt.htm

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 8/5/2008 8:45:18 PM

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Wrong link ..... sorry

http://3news.co.nz/News/InternationalNews/Womandeniesmanslaughterafterbondagepartnerdies/tabid/417/articleID/65809/cat/61/Default.aspx

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 8/5/2008 8:54:03 PM

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reminds me of a favorite song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABWyXKT5qt4

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 8/8/2008 1:10:49 AM

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This is very, very sad - she got 3 years prison and will serve about a year

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24147548-2,00.html

EXTRACT: "She said she had tied him up hundreds of times before the final fateful occasion. On the day Mr Braunack died, Meiers said he had been hassling her to be tied up since the early afternoon. She eventually agreed so he would stop annoying her. Meiers told the court there was nothing different about the way she tied him up on that occasion, and that she had no reason to harm Mr Braunack. "I expected him to escape while I was in having a shower," she said."

This could happen to anyone really. She had practiced 100s of times before. Sure, you should never leave someone unattended in bondage, but she knew her little houdini well.

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 8/8/2008 3:05:56 AM

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Sorry, but I don't believe she did the exact same thing she had done many times before. Something was different that resulted in this man's death. From what I've read, I don't get the impression it was intentional, but it was careless. What a horrible way to learn a lesson.

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 9/5/2008 8:23:42 AM

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As a bondage bottom, I love the idea of being tied up and left! Is the issue, for those of us that way inclined, more to do with how to do this safely? A gag if the person's nose isn't blocked, and nothing around the neck? Or a ring gag, so that you could still breathe? (I've never tried a ring gag, do they even work?)

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 9/7/2008 12:52:52 PM

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This is an idea I've found very erotic, but have never done it (altho I have left her tied and blindfolded and pretended to leave the room). I just think there is too much that can go wrong and if something does I would want to know IMMEDIATLY!

How about some sort of bio-monitoring device that can measure heart rate, stress level (GSR, galvanic skin response) and beep you (or txt msg) if something is going wrong?

If this sounds a bit extreme consider the alternative.

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 9/7/2008 12:55:50 PM

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Everybody should know CPR. Would have been a much better choice than "slapped her comatose husband and put bulldog clips on his nipples".

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 9/7/2008 11:53:35 PM

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quote:

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Sorry, but I don't believe she did the exact same thing she had done many times before. Something was different that resulted in this man's death. From what I've read, I don't get the impression it was intentional, but it was careless. What a horrible way to learn a lesson.

Everything is a dice roll. It is perfectly possible to do everything right, and still have it fail utterly. We shouldn't judge people so quickly.

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 9/8/2008 4:54:03 AM

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quote:

As a bondage bottom, I love the idea of being tied up and left! Is the issue, for those of us that way inclined, more to do with how to do this safely? A gag if the person's nose isn't blocked, and nothing around the neck? Or a ring gag, so that you could still breathe? (I've never tried a ring gag, do they even work?)

Sorry, in this girl's opinion, it is never safe to leave someone bound and unattended. They could have a heart attack and that has nothing to do with gags or things around their neck. Or, something could happen to the dominant- the dominant could fall down the stairs and be unconscious, or have a heart attack, or have some accident that leaves them incapacitated. Who is going to come back and untie the sub? Who is going to call for help? No one would be able to help the dominant and no one would be available to help the sub. Both could simply die. In situations where someone gets hurt or dies, it is usually a combination of unforeseen things going wrong. It's like a car safety belt. Most times someone could get away with not wearing one and be fine- until the car crashes.

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 9/9/2008 8:30:58 AM

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Everybody should know CPR. Would have been a much better choice than "slapped her comatose husband and put bulldog clips on his nipples".

As part of the Australian government's new cost cutting, all defibrillators in Aussie hospitals will be replaced with bulldog clips.

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 9/9/2008 9:50:02 AM

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I have to say that one of my most erotic memories of all time was the time a young woman tied me to the bed and left for a while -- the thing I remember vividly is the sound of the door of my apartment closing, and then the sound of her high-heeled steps in the parking lot fading into the distance. Mmmm.

That said, I agree it's not the safest thing to try. There are ways to make it safer by making sure the sub can free himself (or herself). My idea is to tie the hands with big bow knots, easy for the sub to reach and untie quickly, but impossible for him to re-tie by himself; so he can free himself in an emergency, but the Dominant will absolutely know if he's done so (and can take appropriate remedial action if she doesn't feel it was justified). It's still not 100% safe I suppose...but then, nothing is. I suppose both partners have to figure out what the level of acceptable risk is and be prepared to deal with the consequences -- but there needs to be a realistic assessment of the consequences, too.

I wonder if consent forms would help at all, legally? If this guy had had something on file saying, "I acknowledge that I allow and encourage my wife to tie me up and leave me alone for short periods of time, and I accept all the risks involved," preferably co-signed by a witness other than his wife. It might not take care of the situation 100%, but I would think that it would carry some weight with a judge or jury.

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 9/9/2008 10:12:03 AM

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Well, here's the deal:

Everything has risk. You can be sitting across from someone at tea, and they can suddenly have a stroke or an anyeurism or a heart attack and die. However, if there's anything sexual and non-mainstream going on when this happens, no matter how unrelated it is, the police and the media will latch onto it as causative, and they will crucify you.

This lifestyle still involves some serious risks - some of them physical, and some of them social. Those who fail to remember that might be in for a very rude awakening someday.

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 9/10/2008 8:32:08 AM

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Very true Ialda, we all face risk when we play, no matter how lightly or how RACK we do and are. If one is to leave someone bound, blindfolded and gagged..do the safe thing, play a mental mind fuck on them and let them THINK you have left the room, it can be done as simply as walking loudly down the hall and then taking off your shoes before coming back. Heck let them hear you come in and go out several times perhaps placing something metal down on a table to heighten the "chills and thrills" or snapping a whip nearby. Don't leave them alone however and never without an escape (e.g. key within strained reach or a quick release clip) things not only happen to those who are on the bottom but on the top as well and when you are on the floor dealing with a heart attack, it's a scary thing to see your potential rescue tied up and unable to help you.

The fact is, no matter how often you do something, how healthy your subject is, things can go downhill a lot faster than you think. sinuses clog, circulation cuts off, someone chokes on a random flying insect (ewww) or any number of unanticipatable things happen and you are now standing there like this woman saying "We did it hundreds of times before and nothing bad happened." We can leave the thrills and chills in and still pay close attention to safety..it just takes a bit of awareness and common sense.

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 9/10/2008 11:23:33 AM

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Gerald's Game by Stephen King

Anything can happen, and while you may feel she did nothing wrong, the courts will see it differently. Regardless of what happens to any one of us during play time, the fact that we are not like everyone else leaves us open to prosecution.

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RE: Left alone in bondage part 9 - 9/12/2008 9:12:34 AM

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Gerald's Game by Stephen King

Anything can happen, and while you may feel she did nothing wrong, the courts will see it differently. Regardless of what happens to any one of us during play time, the fact that we are not like everyone else leaves us open to prosecution.

I -just- read that this week!!

It was truly an interesting read psychologically - I don't know what I would have done in Jessie's position besides freakin' the hell out of my mind. I agree. No one should be left alone while bound and there really -should- be a way to escape those bonds 'just in case'. Too quickly any situation can become life and death, ignorance does not mean innocence, especially if it simply could have been prevented.

How 'real' does a scene have to be when we keep calling this 'play'?

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