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cmatrix4761 -> RE: Sex and self worth (8/8/2008 12:52:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: elleelisa

Hmm, it's so funny, but being a "curvy" girl I read that and became temporarily jealous . But then again I think if I did lose 30lbs and attracted more men, I honestly think I'd be even more fucked up because then I'd just constantly wonder if the person would like me at a heavier weight or not.  It is consoling to at least know that if someone likes me right now, that it isn't because of my pant size...

That doesn't mean I don't want to become thinner (hell, it's my one biggest "hang-up" in life) but I think if I did, the grass wouldn't be as green as I think...  I would just attract more men for the wrong reason... thoughts?



It's funny you should say that, aside from the fact that 'curvy-fetish' is a whole subculture in alot of places.  I've known alot of girls, and have come to find beauty many unexpected places.  In your profile, for instance, though it's evident that you're curvy, there are other, beautiful qualities.  Just from the pics, I can see that you have very expressive, sensual eyes (a fairly rare quality) and lively, vibrant hair.  The eyes are key in communicating emotions (like flirting), and hair, when properly taken care of, especially when it's very soft, is among the most sensual tools in a woman's arsenal.
Those are just examples, of course; the point is that thinness isn't the sole prefect to the kingdom of beauty.  Beauty by its very nature is like the sea -- always changing and with many different moods.




Roselaure -> RE: Sex and self worth (8/8/2008 5:10:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

I ise to think it was how I looked. But I think its more persona and confidence one projects. I am larger than i was 2 years ago but I still think I am hot. Therefore that is what I project to others. The ones who dont want me as I am, arent for me anyway. I am curvy, regardless of what size I am. My body type is curvy and I am not going to shrink my sleleton and body frame.


Eccellent point, Luscious.  For me it's probably a combination of both.  Right now I'm in a really good place and that comes through in the way I present myself.  Part of the reason I'm in this good place is because I've lost weight and am getting more favorable attention. So one builds on the other.  Hey, I'll take it!




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Sex and self worth (8/8/2008 5:14:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Roselaure

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

I ise to think it was how I looked. But I think its more persona and confidence one projects. I am larger than i was 2 years ago but I still think I am hot. Therefore that is what I project to others. The ones who dont want me as I am, arent for me anyway. I am curvy, regardless of what size I am. My body type is curvy and I am not going to shrink my sleleton and body frame.


Eccellent point, Luscious.  For me it's probably a combination of both.  Right now I'm in a really good place and that comes through in the way I present myself.  Part of the reason I'm in this good place is because I've lost weight and am getting more favorable attention. So one builds on the other.  Hey, I'll take it!


Well I had a similar thing happen. I lost aot of weight and got a new wardrobe and made myself over. I put effort into looking good. I almost always wear dresses, skirts and heels. I gained a portion(not all) of the weight back but I decided to continue to dress well, look well and keep my sexy attitude regardless of what the scale says.




elleelisa -> RE: Sex and self worth (9/18/2008 12:42:15 AM)

Why thank you for the compliments-- and you make a good point.

I've been attracted to men who are 5'4", 6'5", 240lbs, 180lbs, and everywhere in between.  It's the person that I always fall for, not their dimensions or how they describe themselves in their profiles.

I just sometimes wonder, if there are men who parallel me in this.  Most of my friends are guys, and it seems like the opposite-- they fall for bodies not  people. (Then again most are 21 and younger-- so, that affects it)




DesFIP -> RE: Sex and self worth (9/18/2008 4:30:17 AM)

Unless you're a sex worker, I think that basing your value on your desirabilities to your coworkers demonstrates a lack of self esteem. What it says to me is that the person who truly believes this also believes they arent competent at their job.

Beyond that, spending all your time trying to get some guy who you don't even want to come on to you sounds obsessive, not healthy. I didn't like that kind of attention when I was young, I certainly don't go on about myself now. Having had weight issues and having had men who ignored me at one weight suddenly all over me at another, taught me that anyone who only values me for shallow external reasons is not someone I want to give the time of day to.

Either I am a person to you or I am not. And if you (the generic you) isn't capable of seeing other people as people no matter how they look, then you aren't someone I put any value on.




sirsholly -> RE: Sex and self worth (9/18/2008 4:36:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds



The one question I have for everyone is, if you look at your self and are honest, is part of your self worth based on people wanting you (in a sexual manner)?


i think you have it back-asswards. If someone finds me attractive i am sure it is because of the level of self esteem i present.




eyesopened -> RE: Sex and self worth (9/18/2008 4:44:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds
The one question I have for everyone is, if you look at your self and are honest, is part of your self worth based on people wanting you (in a sexual manner)?


i think you have it back-asswards. If someone finds me attractive i am sure it is because of the level of self esteem i present.


Thank you!  My word, if I had based my self-esteem on people wanting me sexually, I would have been suicidal by age 20.  I'm the girl who never got asked out on a date in high school, attended prom with a buddy, and didn't get prettier at closing time (at the bar).  What I discovered is that I became sexually attrative only after the person got to know me, never ever because of how I look.




lizcgirl -> RE: Sex and self worth (9/18/2008 5:07:01 AM)

When I was still in school my parents (bless them for not thinking) put me in an exclussive Catholic school. They were thinking of the education, not of the fact there were only 20-some kids in my grade who had all grown up together, all had more money than we did, and basically looked down on me from the moment I set foot in the classroom. The boys were the worst by far. I didn't have dates or boyfriends, I didn't have much of a social life. Then we moved and all of a sudden guys were coming out of the woodworks! I couldn't believe it. So yes, it was a huge driving factor for me for a long time. But now, I am who I am. If some one doesn't want me, so be it. There are hot guys I wouldn't want because they're so stuck on themselves it kills all appeal, and there are some not-so-hot guys I think are sexy as hell because of their mentality. I like myself more now because I know ME, not the image I portray. Of course when some one is attracted to me I still get that little extra bounce in my step- can't help it. [;)]




StrangerThan -> RE: Sex and self worth (9/18/2008 5:54:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twistedEuphoria

"I've been thinking a great deal about sexuality and how that can tie into a sense of self-worth. For me, the two are very strongly linked. The more I feel that someone wants me, in a sexual way, the more confident I feel, the more secure I am, with myself, in general. I want to be desired. That is not to say I am a tease (I think my career choice is proof enough of that), by any means. I enjoy what I do and take immense pride in the fact that I am able, and quite skilled, at giving other people pleasure. I value myself more because I have this sort of talent.I am very certain that my status as " a good lay" is one of the main reasons *most* people do as well (the fact being that most of the company I keep is male and in a professional capacity)

I've had several friends tell me that this sort of sexual objectification isn't good for me, that it isn't healthy. I suppose in a way this is true. I take rejection hard. If a person does not desire me, even if I do not want them, I drive myself crazy, asking why and pondering how I can make myself more attractive to them.

I have to wonder, though, is this such an odd thing for a women?

Girls (and boys) you tell me."

Kat posted this earlier today on her blog and asked my opinion on it. I thought it was brilliant and wanted to share it with the rest of you. I was interested in seeing people's thoughts and opinions.

The one question I have for everyone is, if you look at your self and are honest, is part of your self worth based on people wanting you (in a sexual manner)?


At a base level, I think we all like it when we interest people on purely physical level. That doesn't mean we want to have sex with them or engage in anything past the interest itself. In general though, I think it's more of an issue for women than men. Before the ladies come down hard on me for that one, I'm talking in general about how society sees itself. Most beauty products are designed for women. Most clothing that accentuates is designed for women. Whole industries exist with nothing else in mind other than to make them look prettier or at least create the thought in their minds that they are somehow more attractive afterwards. There are guys who buy into the beauty industry as well, but the meat and potatoes for those types of businesses always have been, and probably always will be women.

Add to that mix that women endure things men don't, like childbirth. - things that can dramatically alter their bodies. Women generally, I say generally now, burn less calories at rest than a man and given two people that live together, eat together, the diet can affect her much more than it can affect him over time. Wrap it all up with the fact that rejection can be one of the most painful and enduring lessons one learns, and you have the potential for physical attraction or the sense of such to be a strong driving force in one's sense of self-worth. It's bs, but we're not talking logic here, we're talking instinct and the differences in how mom's and dad's raise boys and girls.

I've always been attracted to minds. That's not saying I ignore bodies lol, because I don't, but if the body doesn't have a well developed intelligence and good personality to go with it, the attraction factor goes right out the door. Once you find that blend of all three that is perfect for you though, my thought on it is simple. Tell her every day how good she looks. Fuck her like you just damned well gotta have it and there's no one else on the face of the planet you want it from. Give a nod to the beauty stuff, meaning if you gotta be somewhere at 7 and she takes an hour to get ready, start your leaving process in time to not have to rush. When you go shopping, actually look for stuff you'd like to see her in. (learned a long time ago as a guy that those painful shopping trips become a lot less painful if you spend some time imagining your baby dressed up, blindfolded, bound, ready for the whip and you're picking out the clothes for it. Something about thinking about that black dress, how it feels so silky and all the warm wet things that will be under it just makes me look at malls differently.)

And sigh, fuck her often. I know, it's a taxing job, but for some reason, her snuggled up beside me all warm and sticky between her legs helps Stranger sleep better.

There's a bottom line in all of it. I had a martial arts instructor who used to tell us all the time, there's always someone bigger, badder, and meaner out there so learn to make every move count. I see it sort of the same way with attraction and self-worth. You may not tie your self-worth to physical attraction, but damn, don't make you feel better to know you're wanted, desired? Even if you're not looking for it.

Shrug.




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