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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 1:43:08 PM   
MizSexyVixen


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I do understand the concept of separating the EGO from the speech. I do.

JMO, someone who needs their slave to do that all the time, has issues. I do not desire any slave to feel their ego must be so subsumed (I'm so hoping this is a word)  by mine that I feel a need to require this type of speech.

On the one hand, I understand, our language says who we are (often saying things about us we don't admit), on the other, it's a high protocol extreme I find annoying as all hell.

I am sure there are situations where people find it useful. for maintaining discipline and control. Those situations in the BDSM world are a rarity, IMO.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 1:50:23 PM   
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Greetings Ms Sexy Vixen,
I couldn't agree more.  English is a language that makes the subject of the sentence and verb the most important thing.  S + V =  sentence.  But in many other languages, it is the relationship between the Direct Object and the Subject that are at the beginning of the sentence.  El mi dijo.  He me told.  The DO is right there next to the subject.  I love that about other languages. 

Sure, it's my interpretation, but I like my interpretation.  *smiles* 
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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 7:08:27 PM   
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Frankly, I never expected my little question to unleash such a response!
I've been thinking about this a lot.  One thing I realize is that referring to Daddy in the third person somehow enlarges him in my thinking.  I'm not sure why this is the case.  But I am not complaining, I like it.

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RE: third person talk - 8/27/2008 6:57:40 AM   
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I believe it is up to the Dominant involved and what One is comfortable with or not.  There may be other motives or factors in play.

< Message edited by UR2Badored -- 8/27/2008 7:01:45 AM >


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RE: third person talk - 8/27/2008 8:06:25 AM   
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quote:


...If those present can explain how and why this is acceptable behavior from adults, it would make interesting listening.


in the previous response to the OP, this slave commented not as to what she personally encounters every time she utilizes third-person speech, but as to her overall observations when speaking with folks about it or in the reading of various threads here regarding the topic and when other folks use it.

the PC list of "things to insult another person over" is dwindling.  used to be one could make fun of or insult another person's coloring, sexuality, age, culture, gender or socio-economic standing and no-one would bat an eyelash.  "bullying" used to be a pretty popular past-time down at the school-yard and this slave got more than her share of it for being odd...the only red-headed freckled-face girl at the entire school.  the teachers and administrators couldn't have cared less.


times change.


it would seem that the only things left to insult and make fun of are "choices" like smoking or not speaking/writing as the listener/reader would like them to…and it isn't just the third person talkers that get bagged on, either.  there are grammar/spelling/it-isn't-a-word/doesn't-have-any-meaning-unless-it-is-included-in-the-Oxford-dictionary Nazi's as well that jump on folks for their contributions as if there is a grade in it for them at the end of the term.


quote:

...a lot of individuals are rough in their presentation of the form (an issue that comes, I believe, from poor instruction in the grammar of our native tongue in school), but that doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with people who -do- attempt to use it, or who require that their servants use it.



agree, 100%.  it's akin to accepting only trans-folks that one deems "passable" and being rude and obnoxious to those who aren't.  however, this slave has not had the experience of spending time off-line with others who are instructed to present their thoughts and ideas from a third person perspective, or who choose to do so of their own volition.  this slave had no experience utilizing third person speech, or a desire to use it, until Master required it 5 years ago.
 
With all of the negative put-downs and feedback given to those who attempt it, it is hard to fathom that anyone would undertake it in an effort to be viewed as some sort of “Uber” slave.  this slave's first assumption of anyone using it used to be that they were either instructed to by their Owner, or they had a huge public humiliation fetish going on...not that they were feigning some sort of imagined superiority.
  
as a youngster, this slave was tutored extensively in the living, ever expanding language of English grammar and composition, definitions and usage, spelling and vocabulary by two stay-at-home parents.  she had no friends in grammar school other than books.

 
perhaps if this slave was less proficient in her usage of English, even without the inclusion of a third person perspective, she would not get the occasional "exception/acceptance" she gets from folks that otherwise find third person speech generally annoying/attention-whoring/ego-boosting/crap, etc.
 
DISCLAIMER:  this slave does NOT believe that it is acceptable behavior from adults, but merely attempted to offer some reasons as to how and why it is viewed as acceptable by others, including, but not limited to, those that decide which posts violate established TOS, to insult the preferences or choices of another.

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RE: third person talk - 8/27/2008 8:34:51 AM   
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Master has only used slaves birth name three times in 6 months and there where during  family functions. slave has never used Masters birth name. We have protocols We use in some areas of Our lives such as Master's job or some of the larger family events as Our closer family know and accept Our life.

In public We use Master/Sir girl/slave when ereferring to each other. We are not a "closet" M/s couple, We are very open and public with Our beliefs. We are also lucky that We can be that open. Many couple We know can not or will not due to job, family, childern. etc..

Master requires third person online, at functions and at home. We both speak in thrid person sometimes. It makes conversations interesting... :)  it is also enjoyed by both of us and used as a constant reminder of slave's place and her duties to her Master. There are no, "I wants", or "I needs' or 'what about me' days....its all about the needs of Master and the family.
As luck may have it, Master is a wonderufl Master who pays attetnion to his slave and her needs. Many Masters do not, not even over time.

Using thrid person or S/slashes are all on the person writting. Some Masters want their sub/slave/girl to use it some dont. As far as reading it, if you dont like it dont read it...
so that this slaves two cents....
***its all about what works for you!!!!  ***

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RE: third person talk - 8/27/2008 10:19:04 AM   
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A couple years ago I ran across a local column writen by a so called submissive "pauses to laugh", her take was that all the W/we, various forms of seperation of Top/bottom in grammer was not only demeaning to the subjects, but also damaging to the language.

Yeah, and she also played the "pompas wind bad dominate", "self gratifying, egotistical dominate" cards as well.

And she mentioned the "when I was a dominate, never used nor expected such from others" card.

I am certain that there are cases where Doms of unworthy caliber use language to elevate themselves to levels if but in their own minds that they could not hope to achieve on their own accord. But in most cases that I have witnessed first hand, the use of language between Masters and slaves has been both enriching and meaningful. Whether as a deep seeded part of daily life, or as a gentle reminder, if it enriches your relationship and plays a fullfilling part in your needs, then use it.

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RE: third person talk - 9/3/2008 12:04:43 AM   
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I got a laugh... out of almost every post here.

It's about communication.  Can you be understood? Can you understand what you're reading (or hearing)?

OKAY then!

Oh... you can't?  Then ask for clarification! What a concept!

I roll my eyes more at the poor spelling and the "ur not 2 tired r u" kind of thing, but the fact is, I can still understand that my friend is asking me, "You're not too tired, are you?"... so what's the problem?

But, I will admit that like many others, I'll skip a post or thread that has the S/slash S/stuff in it, or skip over the third person'ers, or the Gor roleplayers -- But I'll skip a post with unreadable mis-spelling and typos, too!

So again, as above... Can you be understood? Did you understand? If so then Yay!  and if not, then Ask!

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RE: third person talk - 7/22/2012 1:04:14 AM   
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i've recentlu met a Dom on-line,and we seem to have many thngs in commom. We are still at the learning stages of our relationship..... the details, i suppose. He is very ridig in the use of 3rd person, is our relationship were to develop to D/s. I am a mental healther worker, and have personal concerns regardng the constant use of 3rd person. I would not be recodnized by my given name, unless in the company of frends/family, or exploring the very small community in which we live. All over conversation would be used in 3rd person "she/the girl". I've spoken with Him regarding this, and He is very open to discussing my concerns, and His intentions. Has anyone on here ever heard of there being long-term physochological damage using this for of dail relular comminication. I have pointed ot to Him my fears related to Borderline Personality Order, and Disocciatinve Identity Disroder. Any relevant experince or words of wisdom?

Thank you,

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RE: third person talk - 7/22/2012 1:28:25 AM   
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Hi emma. Please check the dates of the final post on a thread. The Mods frown on reviving threads more than 3 months old. If it is a topic you wish to discuss, feel free to start a new thread, linking to the old one if you wish.

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RE: third person talk - 7/22/2012 1:33:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

Hi emma. Please check the dates of the final post on a thread. The Mods frown on reviving threads more than 3 months old. If it is a topic you wish to discuss, feel free to start a new thread, linking to the old one if you wish.

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Thread closed. GreedyTop gave excellent advice.

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