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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:16:54 AM

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They have limited the dominants authority to only certain aspects or certain times of the day? An example could be while the submissive is at work or sleeping or spending time with their friends or family. How does 24/7 fit there? They are living together, but there is no potential for the dominant to exercise authority 24/7. Knight's Kyra

This confuses me a little. Doms and subs might make all kinds of decissions, together, about what works for them, and it does not, imo, affect their right to use the labels that work best for them.

Are you saying that if a sub had parasomnia problems, and the Dom and sub together decided that He would never, ever wake her up with a demand for sex or a casual order (like 'get me a sandwich'), because it was not worth what it would result in - her getting ill, sleepwalking, ect - that decision would somehow make them less 24/7?
If a Dom tells his slave to get a job, and having told her to do so, considers it a serious obligation on her part, and would never tell her to do anything that would interfere with her being a good and effective emplyee - for instance, Master knows that I will say 'yes' whenever they call me in. Master put his collar on me before we were 24/7, but when he did so, he said, basicly - we will see how it flies for you at work. We are now 24/7, and, to be honest, my collar and slave bells break my dress code, which says, 'one wedding ring, one pair of plain stud earings (one per ear, on the lobe) and one watch'. No one has said anything - i was wearing them when i was hired - but if they did, Master and i would argue, because he would probably want them to come off if they interfere with work and I would not. So, if I am what is to me, a 'good girl', and simply say, 'yes, Sir', that makes me less 24/7?
I agree that if a couple identifies themselves as, perhaps, 'just liking a little kink in the bedroom' or 'only doing this on the weekend', or whatever, then they are not 24/7. But I don't see how the exaples you used work.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:19:27 AM

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It's funny in a way..it's a pretty straight forward term and yet so many get it twisted. As leadership said "I'm going to guess here that "24/7" became a "valuable" tag to indicate "seriousness" in some way. I'm guessing to distinguish from "play scenes" This tells me that you want to equate that with your relationship because the general consensus sees this as a serious "tag"..so you want everyone else to take you and your relationship seriously..or maybe you need this term in some way to feel serious.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:24:33 AM

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Ok here's a better take on what I think about all this... You guys are arguing about this, as if you were arguing what pie really is.

Someone says "Pie is cake with strawberry filling." then someone pops in and argues: "No that's not true! Pie is cake with applefilling, how can you say it's strawberry, when it's in fact apple?"

:-/ It's the same with 24/7.. I don't believe there's one true meaning to it. Maybe in the past there was, but sometimes it happens that words get new meaning and we know it.... It doesn't help sticking on to the past though, if the world keeps pushing for the future.

So, I think everyone should be a bit more open minded here and less argumentative.

But then again, it's just my take on all this :p Feel free to rip my post apart and contradict me or whatever.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:28:13 AM

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[Well... if I have to put my own definition to it, I'd say they have a limited D/s relationship in a 24/7 setting. Thing is, in the situation you've outlined, they have 24/7 access and opportunity... they've just chosen not to act on it.

but Access and opportunity is availble regardless of where a person is (location is irrrelevant)... They are only restricted in what they can do is not alot different than a person who has limited D/s relationship.. They all can choose differently if they desire so.

Your are a mom... 24/7... but your ability to act is limited bases on a whole array of things... and some of those things are choices and some are not.

Your a 24/7 submissive... but your ability to act is limited based on a whole array of things.. And some of those are choices and some are not

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:34:56 AM

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How about - for me 24/7 is washing his socks and underwear, and sleeping in his bed every night.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:38:54 AM

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what if you go on holiday? sorry thats pedantic but so is all of this

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:40:26 AM

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It's good ole debate as i see it.

As for the terms. I'm a traditionalists and i prefer the old definitions of them.

Not this new age mainstream approach. If it works for you so be it.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:43:33 AM

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Good ole debate that never gets anywhere cos people refuse to open their minds just a bit to look at it differently ;).

Besides, how do you know what the original meaning of it was anyway? Did it seriously mean a relationship in which people are together physically all the time?

Honestly, I don't see why this label is even useful then... It just defines a normal relationship then.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:45:32 AM

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I don't equate her being on the end of my dick with service..If i need something from her and she's not here to help me with it, i wouldn't call it 24/7..Let's do the math..24/7 means what?24 hours a day and 7 days a week..if she's only here 2 days a week..shall i do the math? Now what you said about many forms of service..that's true. I will continue to delude myself then..24/7 is exactly what i think it was intended to be..a full time live in slave..

If people want to justify things so they can fit into what ever category they like..i could care less in the end..but i will tell you your full of shit if i think it.

Seriously though, even a full time live in slave has to sleep. Pedantic maybe, but that means non service. She has to pee, eat... put it down to the basics and no one can serve 24/7 and no one can dominate. But then, you are talking purely of service. Just because one serves, does not make them submissive. And submission, is a completely kettle of fish. I am trying to stick to the OP. She said 24/7 slave. Service 24/7doesn't come into that.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:51:11 AM

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It means living together. It means the slave and Dominant are accessible as much as real life can be. It means all of this. It means she is here to fuck when i want..do my socks when i want..it means we are making a home together..sharing our personal trials and triumphs first hand and up close..it means she or He cant just hang a phone up or turn a monitor off when they decide to. How hard is it to understand the difference..you want me to "open my mind" so that you can fit in..if you dont fit in this way it doenst mean you dont in other ways but i'm not changing my mind on this because it's what i believe..it didnt come to me overnight..it's something i believe inside and i've formed over my time in this.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:52:30 AM

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Hello coloureden. Ok, I'll make it simple. I live ''with'' my submissive wife full time. I call that 24 hours a day, seven times a week for seven years or so. When someone tells me he/she is 24/7, I think full time. For me it is relationship + full time = 24/7, not part time.

But then doesnt that relate back to the.darkness's point that if she goes to the shops suddenly she isnt with you 24/7? and just because you dont live with someone doesnt make the relationship part time, you dont start refering to yourself as single just because you are back home.

Hello again. In our relationship, my wife goes shopping for ''us''. I go to work for ''us''. Everything is related to ''us'' living full time together. My wife and I have a life together. It is a full time endeavour with roles and functions that some times takes us separately out of ''our'' house, but the fruit of those ''outings'' are shared 24/7 full time by both of ''us''

I am old fashioned, I live with my spouse full time. I know it is not the only way to relate to someone, but to me it is the ''24/7'' way. Maybe we could be hating each others guts and divorce could be around the bend, but still we would be hating each other's guts full time 24/7. That my friend, is the nature of ''that'' beast. It does not mean it is better nor worse than the other ''exotics'' vying for validation of their labels, far from it. RL

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:53:56 AM

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I usually find most of your remarks fairly thought out but now it just looks like your splitting hairs for the sake of the debate..I'm fairly sure you know my intent isn't that a female would serve me every second of the day right? I mean the peeing comment and the other comments are just silly.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:54:03 AM

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I am always a mother, even when my children are not around... but I cannot effectively "mother" them when they are hundreds of miles away. If I were a nurse, I would always be a nurse... but I couldn't actively "nurse" someone around the clock if I wasn't physically with them. With either of these examples, I might be able to utilize portions of my abilities within the confines of my distance limitations, but I would not have access or opportunity to employ all of the skills available to me. I could comfort my son with words, but I could not reassure him with a hug. I could advise a patient on techniques for relieving their discomfort, but I could not hold their hand or wipe their brow with a cool cloth.

Hello Treasure.
Regards to your Master and yourself as always.

Even if you could not utilise your skills because of distance, you would still consider yourself a mother. Being a mother, boyfriend, wife, slave, or submissive is still 24/7. These are states of mind, stature as it were. It i just one part of what makes a person unique. When someone says they are a '24/7inserthere' I see the sentance that this is what they are, not what they play at. After all, wiitwd has a huge sweeping diversity of those wo consider themselves say, submissive, to those that only scene, to those who are bedroom only.

I think people are getting wrapped up in service and the physical attention people give or want. 24/7 service is impossible... but one does not have to be owned, a slave, submissive or dominant to serve in any capacity.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:55:36 AM

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I'm not trying to fit in anywhere, don't flatter yourself :p

Anyway if what you described right now if what you think, I'd have to agree with Darcyandthedark ... She has a very very valid point. You're describing 24/7 physical service... Which in that case.. yea it makes sense. but you're not describing 24/7 slave.. A slave is a slave regardless of where he/she is.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:56:33 AM

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tbh there are always going to be things in the way diversions and considerations outside of the relationship thats always the case 24/7 in a total physical sense as the.darkness has said is a physical impossibility therefore surely it has a lot to do with the mentality because otherwise the phrase/term is redundant because no one can be 24/7 if not

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:57:28 AM

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I usually find most of your remarks fairly thought out but now it just looks like your splitting hairs for the sake of the debate..I'm fairly sure you know my intent isn't that a female would serve me every second of the day right? I mean the peeing comment and the other comments are just silly.

They are well thought out, which is what many of the other posts are not. The op was specific. She said slave 24/7. She never said she was in a 24/7 dynamic or relationship. She called herself a 24/7 slave. Being a 24/7 slave is absolutely achievable when people do not live together. Slave does not = service.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 9:58:33 AM

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Well... if I have to put my own definition to it, I'd say they have a limited D/s relationship in a 24/7 setting. Thing is, in the situation you've outlined, they have 24/7 access and opportunity... they've just chosen not to act on it.

but Access and opportunity is availble regardless of where a person is (location is irrrelevant)... They are only restricted in what they can do is not alot different than a person who has limited D/s relationship.. They all can choose differently if they desire so.

Your are a mom... 24/7... but your ability to act is limited bases on a whole array of things... and some of those things are choices and some are not.

Your a 24/7 submissive... but your ability to act is limited based on a whole array of things.. And some of those are choices and some are not

Again, I see 24/7 relating to access and opportunity... not to who or what I am. There are certainly always some limitations to access and opportunity... as I said, it's not a perfect term. However, I view 24/7 to mean that the fewest possible limitations exist to access and opportunity... chosen or not. For me, that means living together.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:02:51 AM

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There will always be different schools of thought on any number of things..that's the way it is and it will always be. I say we take a poll on subjects like this and find what the beliefs are.

there will always be some who think they have it figured out and there will be those who think that "opening your mind" comments make them the more enlightened ones..truth is it doesn't make a fuck in the end does it. some will change their way of thinking and some will stay put. We each have to figure it out for ourselves but don't ask me to open my mind when i perceive it already as wide open. just because i don't see anothers point of view as being truth doesn't make me closed minded.I'm going to stay put on this topic.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:06:24 AM

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That's where we have a different opinion again. service is part of it for me. as for a 24/7 slave..hell they all could be classified as that i guess but the truth is..we'd be squeezing them into a box that doesn't fit them all.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:10:04 AM

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But I don't see how the exaples you used work.

And I don't see how living together is all that is needed to make any authority transfer (pick your label) relationship "24/7 m/s".

But how the examples I used works for us....

If I were to say, "when I am sleeping you will not be allowed to wake me up to do things for you:"

If I were to say, "You will not dictate what I can and can't do at work. You will not call me at work to do things for you; you have no authority over what I do when I am at work"

If I were to say, "when I am with my family/friends you have no authority over what I do”

Even if he agrees to these restrictions within the relationship, he no longer has the potential to exercise authority at those times in those areas. That to me is not 24/7 even though I sleep in his bed every night.

How those situations actually work in my relationship…

If he wanted something from me that I could provide and I was asleep, working, with friends, etc., he weighs the pros and cons of having me do it and then he decides if I will do it or not. He will deal the consequences of his decisions.

It worked that way even when we lived more than 3,000 miles apart. It works that way now even when we are in the same bed. My proximity to him has not changed the fact that there are no aspects of my life that he does not have authority over.

I appreciate that for some people, living together makes it possible for them to have a 24/7 m/s relationship and living apart does not. However, that does not mean that everyone’s relationships are limited by where they live and that doesn’t make me deluded because his authority in my life existed 24/7 even when we were not living together.

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