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WhiplashSmile2 -> Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 10:21:37 AM)

I've been meaning to start a thread up about this for awhile now.  One of the things I have appreciated and enjoyed about using Collarme and the message boards, is the interaction with all kinds of different people. Now, with that said.

I have had the pleasure of chatting with two prospective slaves from the other side who's focus was upon becoming somebody's live in 24/7 prisoner.  Mind you, all this naturally occured when my Owner4SexSlave profile was active.  However, I took time to engage in message exchanges and IM's instead of quickly dimissing them or writting them off.

If for no other reason other to understand their mindset, to get a glimpse of understanding.   What amazed me, was in both cases they literally wanted to serve a sort of Jail or prison sentence.  The motivations behind these prison sentences being somewhat different.  Still this was their primary motivation. 

Now, I hate to cast stereotype generalizations here.  But their motivations were not to Serve a Dom, even the buring desire of being owned was not the primary motivation.   In many ways, their motivations were a little off the beaten path compared to what I would say is that of the more typical Submissive or slave.  Again, I hate to cast generalization.   I'm just making a statement based upon my own common observations with my own personal interation other s-types and even from postings on the message board.

With all this said, how many people find this to be the case more times then not.  That an S-type with a desire to become a captive prisoner has a deep desire to literally live out life in a manner that is a form of real punishment for them?  Also, what are some of the other common motivations behind somebody wishing or wanting to become another persons literal prisoner?




windchymes -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 10:46:02 AM)

Fantasy?

I'd be really surprised if any of them actually followed through into real life.  Even more surprised if they were all females doing more than writing out fantasies and wank fodder.




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 10:50:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Fantasy?

I'd be really surprised if any of them actually followed through into real life.  Even more surprised if they were all females doing more than writing out fantasies and wank fodder.


Well, I managed to stay clear of wank fodder exchanges.  I'm with you on the "Fantasy?" lines of thinking complete with the question mark on the end.   I really hate to simply accuse somebody of being fake or not real.  Even more so when having a decent normal message exchange.  Yes, I have puzzled look upon my face.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 11:00:27 AM)

Actually I think it fits the bill exactly- most just want to NOT be responsible, NOT have to worry, NOT be accountable, have someone else completely care, protect, deal with the mean nasty world stuff while they get to lay around and be a lazy spoiled pet.

Being a "prisoner" fits the bill in a lot of ways and includes hard bondage and no chance of escape.




Lynnxz -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 11:09:36 AM)

I had a man email me the other day, with the intention of getting me to accept him as a 'captive'  He wanted to be caged, and never let out except for when it was absolutely neccisary for health reasons.

My response to him?

I have to..

First off *build* a cage to keep your ass in..
Bring all of your food to you
Hose you off through the cage (wtf now I need a room with a drain in it)
Pay all of the bills you incur. (Although shouldn't be too much)
And basically deal with some dude caged up in the back room all day...

Wouldn't it be much easier to get a goldfish?





azropedntied -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 11:14:27 AM)

makes note to self : Do not read and drink as some posts  make drinks come out of nose from laughter .




Sundowner -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 11:22:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Actually I think it fits the bill exactly- most just want to NOT be responsible, NOT have to worry, NOT be accountable, have someone else completely care, protect, deal with the mean nasty world stuff while they get to lay around and be a lazy spoiled pet.

Being a "prisoner" fits the bill in a lot of ways and includes hard bondage and no chance of escape.



I don't have huge experience of this but I think you're spot on with the "not be responsible" thing - it seems to be a very common thread that many submissives want to enjoy the complete denial of any form of decision making. (Others have fun day jobs with huge responsibilities and can happily switch the sub mode on and off).

And I think for most "I want to be your slave and be abused 24/7" people it's inexperienced fantasy; the individual enjoys being punished and, without thinking it through, thinks it would be good to prolong the sensation indefinitely. But as Lynn points out, in practical terms it's bloody difficult. (And there I speak from the tiring experience of trying to keep a 24/7 minded slave happy just for 24/3!)  [:(]





asubmissiveheart -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 11:24:12 AM)

Great response Lynnxz.
You forgot to mention what would happen if he died in the cage on your property.
Can you see the headlines in the news, a trial and then jail?

One of the reasons I don't have a submissive, is because
accepting submission from some people is more like a part-time job. 
Often, I feel like taking care of a dog is easier.




azropedntied -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 11:30:44 AM)

some are part time job some are full time jobs and others  no work at all and compliment your needs as well as theirs . I don't mind a pt  fun job like that  NO  full time for me , but the last  is the hardest to find  and the best . Funny how you get the mail saying  i want you to do me like this and start work  as soon as you can .Throws away the  menu .. 




Cuffkinks -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 11:30:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

I had a man email me the other day, with the intention of getting me to accept him as a 'captive'  He wanted to be caged, and never let out except for when it was absolutely neccisary for health reasons.

My response to him?

I have to..

First off *build* a cage to keep your ass in..
Bring all of your food to you
Hose you off through the cage (wtf now I need a room with a drain in it)
Pay all of the bills you incur. (Although shouldn't be too much)
And basically deal with some dude caged up in the back room all day...

Wouldn't it be much easier to get a goldfish?




Absolutely easier. You ever try to flush a dead guy down the toilet?




Lynnxz -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 11:38:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cuffkinks


Absolutely easier. You ever try to flush a dead guy down the toilet?



Hahahahaha >.<




califsue -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 11:43:49 AM)

I have no clue other than I think it is pure fantasy. Sometimes one life is such you just think if you were somebody's prisoner life would be so much easier. Reality is not like that. Heck..being a slave/submissive to someone is not easy.




Lockit -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 11:52:36 AM)

I agree with LA on this one, as when I have encountered this, it was my first thought that they wanted to escape life in general.  My second thought was that they might have some emotional embalance that needed to be worked through.  While some of this might help, I lean more towards it not being helpful and only re-enforcing unhealthy patterns of working out some life wounds.  I wouldn't feel qualified to address the issues and therefore couldn't learn more of what might motivate the person wishing to be imprisoned.  I also tend to believe that if they really wanted to be imprisoned, it wouldn't be hard to arrange.  Controlled by fantasy, emotional need or whatever imprisonment, seems to be a lot of things I wouldn't get involved in for too long as they are calling the shots and I would only be a key holder and care giver.




Wheldrake -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 12:15:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2

If for no other reason other to understand their mindset, to get a glimpse of understanding.   What amazed me, was in both cases they literally wanted to serve a sort of Jail or prison sentence.  The motivations behind these prison sentences being somewhat different.  Still this was their primary motivation. 

Now, I hate to cast stereotype generalizations here.  But their motivations were not to Serve a Dom, even the buring desire of being owned was not the primary motivation.   In many ways, their motivations were a little off the beaten path compared to what I would say is that of the more typical Submissive or slave.  Again, I hate to cast generalization.   I'm just making a statement based upon my own common observations with my own personal interation other s-types and even from postings on the message board.

With all this said, how many people find this to be the case more times then not.  That an S-type with a desire to become a captive prisoner has a deep desire to literally live out life in a manner that is a form of real punishment for them?  Also, what are some of the other common motivations behind somebody wishing or wanting to become another persons literal prisoner?


I'm a male s-type with a particular fondness for incarceration fantasies, so I'll take a stab at explaining why I find this type of thing appealing - with the caveat, of course, that others may have very different motivations. As a masochist, I find helplessness, fear and pain to be inherently exciting. As well as serving my Mistress, and pleasing her, I appreciate the suffering she sometimes chooses to put me through. It's thrilling to be handcuffed and blindfolded, squirming under her paddle or her flogger and knowing that, at that moment, I can't protect myself from her attentions.

I think of a prison sentence as a way to experience more absolute helplessness, and longer-term suffering. The helplessness would come from the locked cell door, and the guards outside. The element of suffering would come from all the little discomforts and deprivations of prison life, coupled with lack of privacy - and ideally, of course, it would be a rather extreme sort of prison where uncomfortable restraint and corporal punishment were routine and the guards were cheerfully sadistic. Instead of having to deal with one delightfully cruel Mistress, I would be up against a whole delightfully cruel system, and neither escape nor effective resistance would be even remotely possible.

Of course, this is a rather impractical fantasy. Even if a prison like that existed somewhere, I wouldn't want them to lock me up and throw away the key - I have too many things to do out here in the real world. Perhaps just a couple of weeks of incarceration, now and then, would be about right. Given that there is no such place, however, I suppose I'll just have to hope that my Mistress someday decides to invest in a good solid cage or a cell in the basement or something. It certainly wouldn't be a 24/7 arrangement, but 24/1 or 24/2 every once in a while might work for both of us. I would get to experience that sense of absolute long-term helplessness, and she would get a corresponding sense of physical control, of literally having me under lock and key. I think we'd both find that more powerful, more genuine, than our usual arrangement whereby she has control simply because I choose to do what she tells me. 




E2Sweet -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 12:27:44 PM)

Well personally, I think the prisoner fantasy is kinda hawt, as I'm quite sure toying with my freedoms and such will push my yummy-buttons. But, living out my life in that fantasy... not going to happen.

I'm quite convinced a lot of it has to do with relieving the burden of personal responsibility in some way, shape, or form. As for me, basically everything I do in my professional and personal life is controlled, planned and executed by me with no one to defer to, so yes, to get a chance to escape every now and then to a place where I have no major decisions to make, and to just be able to "be" would be liberating... and quite a relief from the norm around here...

The problem is over-indulging in that fantasy smells an awful lot like total irresponsibility, when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it. Also, humans almost always require balance (among other things) to remain happy and fulfilled, and I don't see seeking out a fantasy life as a caged pet a sensible way to maintain a balanced existence. At some point, the novelty of the fantasy will surely wear off.

Edited for grammar/spelling [;)]




Missokyst -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 12:37:11 PM)

Not to mention that someone is paying for their food, rent, ect.  Sounds like a winner.  Slave gets to be taken out and played with, but otherwise can sit in a cage and contemplate his/her belly button while fiddling with the dangly bits.
Kyst

quote:

ORIGINAL: asubmissiveheart

Great response Lynnxz.
You forgot to mention what would happen if he died in the cage on your property.
Can you see the headlines in the news, a trial and then jail?

One of the reasons I don't have a submissive, is because
accepting submission from some people is more like a part-time job. 
Often, I feel like taking care of a dog is easier.




E2Sweet -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 12:43:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cuffkinks

...Absolutely easier. You ever try to flush a dead guy down the toilet?...


Yea, been there done that... It ain't pretty.

Aww, did I just say that out loud? [;)]




kiwisub12 -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 4:06:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Not to mention that someone is paying for their food, rent, ect.  Sounds like a winner.  Slave gets to be taken out and played with, but otherwise can sit in a cage and contemplate his/her belly button while fiddling with the dangly bits.
Kyst

quote:

ORIGINAL: asubmissiveheart

well - that took care of 10 minutes - what the heck would slave do for the next 23 hours and 50 minutes?




Missokyst -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 4:08:04 PM)

Popping bon-bons and watching Dr Phil. 




azropedntied -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 4:13:54 PM)

Dibs are much better [;)] hehehee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Popping bon-bons and watching Dr Phil. 




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