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George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credit is... - 9/2/2008 3:18:16 PM   
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Given the relative paucity of commentary on Bush of late, here's a little piece for everyone to chew on, highlighting Bush's leadership qualities.

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/2/2008 3:26:40 PM   
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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/2/2008 3:31:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		No. Merely a necessary reminder that leadership is more than pious pontifications. Leadership is making decisions--at times unpopular decisions--based on what is, rather than what some feel should have been.

Even The One might learn that lesson someday (although doubtful in time to help him get into the Oval Office as anything but a visitor).

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/2/2008 3:33:26 PM   
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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/2/2008 3:39:59 PM   
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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/2/2008 3:42:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah with out that stellar "leadership" we would have never got rid of all those WMD that were hidden in Iraq!!!!Hail To The Chief...

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/2/2008 3:46:27 PM   
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George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credit is due
Given the relative paucity of commentary on Bush of late, here's a little piece for everyone to chew on, highlighting Bush's leadership qualities.


..interesting piece, the idea being that Bush's surge in Iraq was a good idea. However, even in this article there is a line that runs, referring to the surge "Bush authorized it anyway, applying the same type of gut instinct that led him into his earlier, disastrous mistakes."
So, the same logic he used that lead to what the article calls 'disastrous mistakes' finally paid off...at least in one respect. i would add two caveats. Firstly, some argue that the surge in Iraq was at the expense of a sensible plan in Afghanistan, and most sensible people suggest that Afghanistan is where any war on terror will be won not Iraq. Secondly, and admittedly facetiously, even a broken clock is right twice a day. 

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/2/2008 3:50:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		But the surge DID work.

For some reason democrats have trouble admitting that one little detail.

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/2/2008 3:57:09 PM   
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But the surge DID work.

For some reason democrats have trouble admitting that one little detail.


..it certainly appears to have had some beneficial effect in Iraq.......i'd wait until after troop numbers have gone down though until i categorically declare mission accomplished. However, the point i was trying to make earlier is that the surge was made at the expense of Afghanistan.......and Afghanistan is the real problem, not Iraq.
CL was attempting to prove that GWB is a decisive leader.......however, even the article he proffers as proof of that refers to many of his decisions as disastrous. It's not good enough for any world leader to merely make decisions, they have to be good ones too.

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/3/2008 12:48:44 AM   
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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/3/2008 12:51:48 AM   
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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/3/2008 1:04:09 AM   
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But the surge DID work.

For some reason democrats have trouble admitting that one little detail.

Actually the surge didn't work.

Paying off the Sunni militias is what worked and that was started before teh surge. Note carefully the uptick of violence back in the spring when the payments were overdue.

The other major destabilizing force Al Sadr is laying low because while he may be the most powerful man in Iraq he is trying to avoid the Iranians gaining too much power by supporting his foes.

Let the Sunni awakening, aka bribing, end and violence will return. Same thing if teh Iranians have any sort of major set back, I'm guessing Al Sadr prays 5 times a day for the US to invade Iran since it will essentially clear the way for him to take over Iraq and as the most powerful Shi'ite mullah become a serious player in Iran as well.

On strictly technical grounds the surge is a failure since the criteria for success was and end to the political stalemate in Iraq and that has not changed since well before the surge.

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/3/2008 1:25:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, the relative quiet in Iraq could well prove to be cosmetic. How long will the administration go on bribing the Sunnis, ad infinitum? Al Sadr has his own reasons for keeping quiet that have nothing to to with the Whitehouse's agenda.

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/3/2008 3:15:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Surely no one wishes to have Iraq as Bush's legacy do they?
An unprovoked, undeclared war? and no, don't give Me U.N. resolutions etc. that is a handy excuse for rationalization when Mr. Bush would bypass U.N resolutions on other matters. If you wish to use Afghanistan, I would at least show some respect for his efforts, but Iraq...Never!
Mission Accomplished? Not in My eyes nor most of the American public, it just took most a longer time to figure out what an awful waste of people, time and money it was. Now, you may take all of the shots you wish...quote any rhetoric you wish, on this issue...you are unequivocally, WRONG, misguided and looking through rose colored glasses in an act of revisionist history that is way too soon and still an open wound with many. Please, Mr Bush deserves credit alright for being a mis-guided and totally unprepared for consequence, example of the worst effort at forced democracy and poor judgment perhaps of all time....


Not in reply to kittensol....have idea why these attribute as a reply, but it does????

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/3/2008 3:20:48 AM   
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But the surge DID work.

For some reason democrats have trouble admitting that one little detail.
That would be assuming anyone who wasn't a Republican was a Democrat. 
Actually, i admire the tenacity in faithfulness that people hold in trusting GWB.  i understand it.  i was holding out the same way for McCain....oh well*sigh*
What do i know?  my party's solution to GWB is Alan Keyes....yikes!

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/3/2008 7:48:34 AM   
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But the surge DID work.

For some reason democrats have trouble admitting that one little detail.


Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/3/2008 7:50:24 AM   
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But the surge DID work.

For some reason democrats have trouble admitting that one little detail.


What do you mean by "did work?"

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/3/2008 7:51:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's what I was wondering also.

We still have troops in Iraq that are dying. Therefor it is not working for ME.


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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/3/2008 7:55:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		But according to the public relations people, it's working. Therefore, it must be working. Didn't you know that public relations people are wholesome and honest in everything they communicate to the general public?

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RE: George W. Bush's legacy in Iraq: Credit where credi... - 9/3/2008 7:57:47 AM   
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George Bush,.......  a better president,......or the best president?


You pick......



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