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ORIGINAL: knees2you

Compes, Well I think You have got all the bases
covered as to why God and Jesus does not exist in Your mind.
Other then the fact that You really haven't mentioned any real reason Why They might Exist.

Last Year I was in the Hospital and was very I'll. At one point the
Devil came to me and said the road I was going down
was going to kill me! He looked me squarely in the face and said
he was going to take me there.

That is when I knew where my belief Really was.

Theres a group called {Danzig} If You listen to there music
You would know that the Devil is alive and well~
Same with {Slayer} If one exists so does the other~~

Sincerely, Anthony

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If you talk to God, you are praying; if God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.
--- Thomas Szasz

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ORIGINAL: compes

I think most people do not give their faith to the god of the bible, they give it to a warm, fuzzy, loving god that they define for themselves. That's fine - I can't say anything about them either, nor would I want to. Such people are usually a lot easier to get along with.

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I used to believe. I believed for two decades. I do not now, and it would take a miracle for me to believe again. Any miracle will do - even this gentleman's miracle. But I don't think it important enough to wait - I'll just get on with my life.

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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic
Why is it that in reading arguments between diests of almost all sorts and atheists, the atheists arguments are so much better constructed and presented?

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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic
I think you meant this as a rather derogatory,

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ORIGINAL: knees2you

I live in Las Vegas,
Don't make any bones about. "I live in Sin City!"

The day after the Fourth of July I had gotten A money
order form Rent it was $640 dollars.
I wasn't feeling well and thought I had brought the Money order home.
When I went to pay rent the next day, I did not have it.
I couldn't find it. Normally I would have it filled out, but wasn't feeling well.
I had lost that money order, and was told that I probablly would never get it back~

Later that evening I got a message from someone where I had
got the Money order from, and they couldn't believe this being Vegas and all, that Someone had turned it in.

{Praise God~} What I had been doing is known as tithing~

It stopped the Advisary from being able to touch my money~

When my Roomate was told what it could do for Him he was
Skeptical. I told him to Put Gods word to test. Told him to deny God that He won't protect You and Your Money. Till this day He has never been broke~"

{Praise God}

Sincerely, Anthony

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"It's funny how we can still see and Yet be blind.~"

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if you don't have time to do it right, where do you find time to do it over?
Unknown (cousin to anonymous)

LadyShoshin.
Yes miracles happen to other non Christians. "But do they happen for all the right reasons??"

I used to be a Buddhist, and a Paganest,
But never achieved what I have being a Christian.

I hope that What You believe has helped You, I really do.

I'm not trying to Convert You or Anybody else! I am just
letting people know what God and Jesus has done for me.

Most people here just deny Him Flatly, They don't talk about
what there {coughing} Religion has done for them~
If anything~ goodday

Sincerely, Anthony

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"It's funny that we can still see, Yet we are blind~"[/quote]




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ORIGINAL: knees2you
LadyShoshin.
Yes miracles happen to other non Christians.

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ORIGINAL: knees2you

LadyShoshin.
Yes miracles happen to other non Christians. "But do they happen for all the right reasons??"

I used to be a Buddhist, and a Paganest,
But never achieved what I have being a Christian.

I hope that What You believe has helped You, I really do.

I'm not trying to Convert You or Anybody else! I am just
letting people know what God and Jesus has done for me.

Most people here just deny Him Flatly, They don't talk about
what there {coughing} Religion has done for them~
If anything~ goodday

Sincerely, Anthony

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It's nice to know that we've cleaned the air about alot of things~
I hope some people on here learned somethings~

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I totally disagree with the notion that only Christians have morals. There are plenty of people who profess no religion at all and yet they are very moral people. THIS idea that only Christians can have good intentions is what turns people off. There is value in all religions. Just as atheists can be moral law abiding people, Christians can have bad judgement and end up in jail. You can not make a blanket statement about the character of all people in a particular faith system. People are people. And if you look around, it's not hard to follow the line of reasoning that there's a 'bad seed' in us all.

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ORIGINAL: knees2you

Compes~ I to left Christianity. But everytime
I thought i found the "Real meaning" of being here,
I'm left empty. I feel Jesus tugging at me all the time saying I'm right over here~
People already know the Devil exists. He had to become that from somewhere.
Remember, the Devil's Job is to turn You away from the
Promised land, I've fallen alot of times, and hard!
But if You where saved and filled with the Holy Ghost, You still are
a product of God and Jesus.
Unless You creat "Blasphamy of the Holy Ghost" then You are still a Child of God and his Son Jesus~


Sincerely, Anthony

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Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
-- Isaac Asimov

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No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.
-- George Bush, to American Atheists' reporter Robert Sherman in 1987, while serving as vice-president

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The riddle of Epicurus

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
-- Epicurus

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ORIGINAL: compes

Knees, I don't see any 'need' for meaning to life other than what we ourselves assign to it. I see that as my role in life, I work to give my life meaning, and also those of my friends and family.

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I am somewhat offended by your arrogant implied assumption that I have 'fallen' - that I am less of a person by the 'lack' of a belief. This arrogance is held by believers in all levels of American society, and I won't stand for it. I'll call you on it every time because it is the first step to making me a second class citizen.

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If a child dies, unsaved, does he go to Heaven? Why or why not?

(related to the child question) People born in non-Christian countries are more likely to be non-Christian. For instance, people born in Iran are more likely to not be Christians. In some societies throughout history the entire society never knew Christianity until missionaries arrived. Were the members of such societies doomed to hell before the arrival of the missionaries?

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ORIGINAL: compes
Knees, could I ask you a couple of questions that maybe you can help answer for me?

If a child dies, unsaved, does he go to Heaven? Why or why not?

(related to the child question) People born in non-Christian countries are more likely to be non-Christian. For instance, people born in Iran are more likely to not be Christians. In some societies throughout history the entire society never knew Christianity until missionaries arrived. Were the members of such societies doomed to hell before the arrival of the missionaries?

Jesus had multiple opportunities to speak out against slavery - which was an open practice in his time. But the only thing he said was that you should be kind to your slaves. His words were used in America to justify slavery - something that the all-knowing God would have certainly foreseen. Just a word against slavery would have prevented hundreds of years of torture and death - why didn't God, through Jesus, take this opportunity?

With the arrival of Jesus, are we still required to follow the laws of the Old Testament? Why or why not?

Did God create evil?

Why is it that no biblical prophesy has been demonstrated to be fulfilled?

Is Jesus a false prophet for saying that he would return during "this generation"? He was speaking of that time period, and he says this several times. Try Mark 13:30.

Should the bible be taken as literally correct?

Why do so many different Christian sects interpret the Bible in ways that exclude each other? Which sect is right?

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ORIGINAL: smile2cu
We seem to assume that Christianity is the only religion in this country. I'm Jewish. Jesus was a practicing Jew. Christianity, as we know it, started after Jesus's death/time on earth. It is quite different from what he/He had in mind.
So let me answer these questions from a Jewish point of view, which, perhaps, would approximate what Jesus would have thought.

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The Old Testament makes no explicit statement about an afterlife, although many jewish people believed in it. The concept of Hell, comes from the Hebrew Gehenna, which was a garbage dump near Jerusalem, where refuse was burned. Thus the concept is one of being discarded, rather than being punished.

So the was no original need to be "saved." If there is a Heaven the unsaved child goes there, of course.

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All people who follow the moral laws given to Noah, (basic morality), are judged as equal to those who follow jewish (or christian) law.

Not sure why Jesus didn't say anything about slavery. I like to think we're in the process of making the world better than it was then. Anyway, that's supposed to be our job.

With the arrival of Jesus, are we still required to follow the laws of the Old Testament? Jesus and the "Jerusalem Church" said "Yes". Paul found that a difficult sell, and said "No".

God created a real world, not a fairy tale. A world that has free will includes evil.

"Why is it that no biblical prophesy has been demonstrated to be fulfilled?" That's a "When did you stop beating your wife?" type question.
I can think of lots of fulfilled prophesies. But you're right that there's a lot of allegory and exaggeration in there too.

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I think Jesus sincerely believed he might have been the messiah. But in the jewish sense, the annointed one. Not the divine son of God, which came from Hellenistic myth.

Finally, the Bible is not meant to be taken as literally correct. Particularly not in its English translation. It misses Hebrew idiom. It misses what's called Midrash, which is a way of telling a story, which is specifically understood to be fictional. And then there are simply poor translations.

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Pls choosing the suitable position at random to match with the ear-part of Adapter. But if that Axles are too thick (over-fired) and can’t lower down, that way pls remove the axles with the Bodies together, then can proceed further.

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Sorry for the long reply. But I hope I may have shed a little light on the subject.

~smile~

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The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference.
--- Richard Dawkins