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Remote Punishment - 9/9/2008 8:47:58 PM   
MasterBrat


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Status: offline 		I own a slave, and she physically wears My collar night and day. Presently, she is getting her affairs in order and then will arrive later in the year.

Recently, she made a comment of "sleeping is for the weak" so I decided to teach her a lesson that she needs sleep and its not for the weak.

Punishment: stay awake and operate of as little sleep as possible. Duration: up to 10 days, why 10 days, because during a Q&A with My slave it was determined that the maximum amount of time that she could sustain this before health issues kicked in would be 10 days. It was established that the slave would be allowed to sleep when a certain time in the AM was reached and she was to get up for her job three hours later.

Precautions: We spend hours upon hours on the computer phone (Yahoo) every single night, otherwise the phone bills would be extensive. So for the duration of the time period of the punishment I was awake and on the phone with My slave. She managed to get a few hours of sleep every night and I managed to get less. Sometimes she would nod off and I had to keep her awake during that time period.

How long did the punishment last before she relented that sleep is not for the weak? Three evenings. Now, she sleeps 7 hours a night.

So why am I providing all of this?
Ah..... she had prior to the collaring several on this site that wanted her as their slave. This ranged from people that wanted to "protect" the "little girl" to the "princess" to the ones that wanted to marry her to the one that wanted to pass her around as a slab of meat for all his Arizona buddies to enjoy her.... against her stated desire... solution do it by force....tie her to a table and beat her until she stops crying...(the method he uses as described to a friend of Mine)

Anyway, many dropped off and she accepted My collar and as stated it is real collar, not on line or cyber.

This punishment occured weeks ago and My slave and I have a better understanding of why sleep is necessary.

This evening the one that was going to pass her around, still pissed that she passed him over, IMs her that he received an email from her best friend (not in the lifestyle) about this lack of sleep and knowing very little information of the vast majority of the dynamic claims that I am irresponsible and informs her that she is to ignore Me and listen to him and follow orders from him and he will do everything in his power to put a stop to Me, this woman's chosen Master.

So immediately after this IM session ends I get the IM log.

So the question is: Even though I was on the phone for three nights straight, monitoring My slave for every minute to keep watch over her and of course if I stopped she would have passed out and gone to sleep. By what right does another dominant have to tell the slave of another what she is to do? Am I missing something? Or is this just some passed over asshole in Arizona that is a sore loser?

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 3:41:42 AM   
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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 3:47:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know that anyone had any "right" to tell her anything, but you can't stop anyone from sending an email to someone else.  As far as your actions go, well, I can think of a lot better ways to convince her that sleep is necessary and it sounds like she was just repeating something she heard anyway.  As far as monitoring her actions...well, lack of sleep can cause hallucinations, etc.  I'm not sure what you would have done in that case, seeing that you two don't live together.  If she had done something dangerous, like try and drive or even just cut something with a knife, and hurt herself, bout the best you could have done is call the police and hope they got there on time. 

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 4:02:56 AM   
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she could sustain this before health issues kicked in would be 10 days. It was established that the slave would be allowed to sleep when a certain time in the AM was reached and she was to get up for her job three hours later.

Ok 10 days before health issues kicked in. Really? Are you sure? You can guarantee she wouldn't, just off the top of my head have an accident because she is so tired?
Three hours sleep and then a working day? How irresponsible.
 
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Even though I was on the phone for three nights straight, monitoring My slave for every minute to keep watch over her and of course if I stopped she would have passed out and gone to sleep. By what right does another dominant have to tell the slave of another what she is to do? Am I missing something? Or is this just some passed over asshole in Arizona that is a sore loser?

I think i would step in in this situation and say it was unhealthy. I don't think whoever he is is being an asshole at all, i think he is showing JUST concern.
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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 4:19:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course this other dominant could have other motives to stating what he did.  However, he was right that the 'punishment' was irresponsible on your part.
 
I do not have any issues with the punishment - you clearly state that their was sleep time and there is a postive outcome.  However, unless you are a doctor or in the medical field, this should not be done - particularly because you were not there.  Sleep deprevation isn't a new punishment, but to place her in this position without being there for her during the time was dangerous of you.  A web cam and telephone isn't a viable option on this issue.  You also stated she works - I can only hope that her job did not place others in possible risk.
 
So the thing that you seem to be missing(and there is two) is that a) you neglected to keep her safe.  The punishment itself is no biggy, but the risk aspect is.  and b) that you left your relationship open to external attack by not insuring her safety in this.
 
My advice would be to speak to her best friend.  She is the one concerned and she messed up by contacting the other man.  She should be speaking to you... you need to work out with her why she felt unable to voice her concerns to you.  If she is living close to your slave, she would have been a great asset in helping to maintain her safety had she known you well enough.  Evaluate what are you doing that allows a best friend to be concerned and why are you not trying to rectify that situation.  Communicate.
 
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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 5:29:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		You deliberately forced her into sleep deprivation. Let's hope neither of you drove a car during that time, or operated any machinery, or use sharp knives for a living. You placed her, yourself and every other person on the road with you in danger of being maimed or killed.

If this kind of overreaction to an offhand comment is typical of you, I hope she thinks long and hard about continuing a relationship. And from what you say about the other men she chose to talk seriously with, and from your own actions, it is pretty well proved that she has bad choices in men.

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 7:27:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		i am not sure why but i think that what you did (sleep dep) was not a big deal, although, you may have missed out on various opportunitys because she would have been in a very suseptable state....but to me it sound like good fun...big dog dom playing his part with his obediant yet willfull sub...mind fucking, twisting, diving into taboo and splashing around...yes of course it is dangerous...but so is every thing we do.

to me the bigger issue is that you are missing a key aspect to this lifestyle that folks often miss....no one has any rights to tell you what to do with your slave...period, there is no rule book, and there is no manual....you decide what is right for you, you decide what to call what you do, you decide what your limits are....(and by you i mean the two of you)



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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 7:35:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		sleep deprivation is dangerous for a number of reasons. First and foremost is the effect it has on the Cardiovascular system. Then there is the physical dangers, from walking down a flight of stairs to (heaven forbid) driving a car. Exaustion is a pretty good reason for a hospitalization..and people are not admitted just to sleep....IV fluids, cardiac monitoring et al are the norm.

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 7:41:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with everyone else. What you did what not in her best interest, you put her in harm's way and you obviously didn't do your research before you made up this punishment. You were irresponsible.

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 7:54:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		No i get it, if fact i was in a slep dep scene that went over 4 days once...the differnce is the dom was in the immediate vacinity,

We just dont know if she had driving restrictions or what her restrictions were. and so we were assuming it was dangerous...my point is ....everything we do is dangerous.

I am assuming because of what he said that he had done some research and was doing some monitering.

and unlike my situation, it sounded like it was only her own willfullness that was keeping her awake, meaning: if she wanted to sleep all she had to do is go to sleep.

i guess it all comes down to the levels you want to go to.. and the places you want to push....and why....



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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 8:27:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting comments. The slave did not operate any equipment during the time period and normally doesn't, unless a pencil or pen is dangerous, she has no driver's license. Before this she was operating on 4 hours of sleep and part of the argument that she needed more. The punishment involved removing one hour from her sleep and to keep her awake. Point of fact during the time period she would nod off several times, yes even over the phone this is discernable, as her breathing changes. She was never alone physically on her end, it's not like she lives alone and the time it would take to get a hold of someone else in the house was about 30 seconds, if that.

The result of the punishment is that she sleeps longer. The punishment was well over three weeks ago and lasted three evenings.

Throughout the entire time period I sought for her to admit that she needed more sleep and she would literally wake up and claim she was fine. This continued for time period. I took every realistic precaution I could come up with and had more than enough back up plans to cover every possible situation that could happen, including but not limited to the work schedule of the other persons in the house and others that normally "drop by". Even though I was not physically present, she was safe. Furthermore, even though this was "punishment" it was actually discussed because of the variables at stake. Its an interesting dynamic where things are discussed even this.

The slave has no problem pushing back on anything she doesn't understand, and we talk quite a lot.

The slave wants the other guy to understand that she has made her decision, he for his part treats her as a child and incapable of making a sound decision to save herself. His solution... she is to give back the collar and not belong to Me. Gee we both saw that one coming.

In her job she manages a department and oversees the work of almost two dozen employees, its a pretty good guess that she is quite capable of making a sound, well-informed decision.

Clear matters up?





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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 9:50:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the additional information.  I wouldn't call it a punishment, but rather a training exercise.  You weren't telling her that a certain behavior was bad and giving her a negative consequence for it, but rather simply teaching her a valuable new behavior.  I think it was a bit excessive- I always try the whole "tell them what to do and they will obey" method first because it's simpler and less work for all involved.  But with the precautions you mentioned here, it seems like there was no outright issues.

Why does she care what this other thinks?  She says "I am owned, you will respect him and my decision or we will not have any future contact."  The end.  She can manage 24 employees but not a single online loser?

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 10:03:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		In a sense it clears matters up.  The second post included details that weren't mentioned in the OP.  The two things other people zoned in on, the possibility of driving a car while sleep deprived and  the danger of possible equipment used during her job, made absolute sense.  Being as someone who does both of these with terrible sleep habits of My own, I was about to give you a rather good explanation of what that's like.  Trust Me.  My husband gives Me the full drill on why My ass should be in bed on a number of occasions. 

Now, I'm not excusing anyone's attempt to cause disharmony in your M/s dynamic, especially for their own purposes.  I don't tend to mess where I don't belong, and most of the time, I appreciate other people staying the hell out of Mine.  What I would be wondering is, were those additional bits of information known to the other parties in all of this?  The best friend might have known these facts, but it's possible they weren't known to this other Dominant.  I'm not saying it was gone about the right way.  If he really thought you were harming the girl, there should have been no problem with him contacting you with his concern.  I'll tell you right now that I've never had a problem with anyone ever doing this with Me, if there is someone out there who is concerned for one of My boys.  I don't even have to like them personally.  I'll give them the benefit of the doubt if they think My actions might be harming My subs.

There's obviously animosity between you and this other Dominant when it comes to this girl.  The question I would like to ask is, would you have had the same reaction had the concern for her well being come from another place?  By the above responses that you received, you can easily see where people found the dangers of this type of experiment. especially with you some distance away.  Would you have been quite so harsh had it come from another source?

There's one other thing I would like to tell you, and then I'll finish.  This is just something that I get from the vibes of your post.  I'd like to gently remind you that no one can steal your human property, unless they want to be stolen.  I think you fear too much that the potential is there, and that might be something you want to work on in yourself, and with your girl.

I wish you both the best of luck.  I hope her move to you will bring you closer together.


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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 11:38:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterBrat

I own a slave, and she physically wears My collar night and day. Presently, she is getting her affairs in order and then will arrive later in the year.

Recently, she made a comment of "sleeping is for the weak" so I decided to teach her a lesson that she needs sleep and its not for the weak.

Punishment: stay awake and operate of as little sleep as possible. Duration: up to 10 days, why 10 days, because during a Q&A with My slave it was determined that the maximum amount of time that she could sustain this before health issues kicked in would be 10 days. It was established that the slave would be allowed to sleep when a certain time in the AM was reached and she was to get up for her job three hours later.

Precautions: We spend hours upon hours on the computer phone (Yahoo) every single night, otherwise the phone bills would be extensive. So for the duration of the time period of the punishment I was awake and on the phone with My slave. She managed to get a few hours of sleep every night and I managed to get less. Sometimes she would nod off and I had to keep her awake during that time period.

How long did the punishment last before she relented that sleep is not for the weak? Three evenings. Now, she sleeps 7 hours a night.

So why am I providing all of this?
Ah..... she had prior to the collaring several on this site that wanted her as their slave. This ranged from people that wanted to "protect" the "little girl" to the "princess" to the ones that wanted to marry her to the one that wanted to pass her around as a slab of meat for all his Arizona buddies to enjoy her.... against her stated desire... solution do it by force....tie her to a table and beat her until she stops crying...(the method he uses as described to a friend of Mine)

Anyway, many dropped off and she accepted My collar and as stated it is real collar, not on line or cyber.

This punishment occured weeks ago and My slave and I have a better understanding of why sleep is necessary.

This evening the one that was going to pass her around, still pissed that she passed him over, IMs her that he received an email from her best friend (not in the lifestyle) about this lack of sleep and knowing very little information of the vast majority of the dynamic claims that I am irresponsible and informs her that she is to ignore Me and listen to him and follow orders from him and he will do everything in his power to put a stop to Me, this woman's chosen Master.

So immediately after this IM session ends I get the IM log.

So the question is: Even though I was on the phone for three nights straight, monitoring My slave for every minute to keep watch over her and of course if I stopped she would have passed out and gone to sleep. By what right does another dominant have to tell the slave of another what she is to do? Am I missing something? Or is this just some passed over asshole in Arizona that is a sore loser?

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 11:48:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I totally expected this thread to be about something different, like a dominant hiding the remote from the submissive. I could just imagine the experience as I'm tied up in front of the television screen and Gossip Girl starts, I reach for the remote to find a rerun of Star Trek, and suddenly it's gone! Then I see her across the room, her sadistic eyes glowing bright because she's realized that she's taken me to the very edge and has taken me where I've never gone before. I then safeword, and she says "Wait until the commercials start" AND THEY NEVER COME!!!! It's some kind of Gossip Girl Hell where there are no commercials, and I can't do anything about it. This continues for another 20 minutes, and then a short promo-commercial comes on (she says "No, a REAL commercial") and the promo reveals this is a Commercial Free ALL DAY Gossip Girl event! I then realize this may never end.....

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 12:51:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		The effort of you need to go to bed now, lasted until she got out of bed to make one more post, send one more email. Then she would stay up and post some more.... after a while it was 4 hours at most.

Was it excessive? If it was the first attempt, yes. If it was nothing else is going to work, what the hell might as well try this nth effort, then it was not excessive. It served its purposes and she slept many hours in a row after that.

As to the other guy, he was told, he didn't like the choice. Didn't care for it actually.

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 1:33:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'm a chronic insomniac, with occasional periods of needing to sleep for 18+ hours of the day.  it sucks in both instances.

if there is no underlying problem to keep a person awake, just not going to bed for a reasonable amount of time, yes, i can absolutely see why you would do this (and, as i've read the entire thread, you did take precautions).  the other dominant....i agree with LadyP, no one can "steal" a sub/slave who does not wish to be stolen.

i've dealt with a few of those lately, ones who think that either Daddy or TheEngineer are not the one for me and of course THEY would be my ideal.  or just come play on IM and the phone with them, with an option to meet up some day for them to use me as they wish.  it just aint happening. 

your slave IS keeping you in the loop by sending you the IM logs.  that's a good thing.  i dont always pester Them with the logs cause i'm capable of saying "sorry, if you would read my profile you'd KNOW i dont play".  and if the person i'm speaking to doesnt listen....why lookie here!  delete and block!  simple as can be!

the issue isnt so much that your s-type got the lesson she needed to learn about getting adequate rest.  the issue is that her friend stepped in and "tattled" on you to the other dominant, and that "friend" needs to understand that she overstepped her boundaries.  the other dominant has already proven beyond doubt that he has no problem disrepecting your slave, her limits, and her choices.

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 1:34:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterBrat

So the question is: Even though I was on the phone for three nights straight, monitoring My slave for every minute to keep watch over her and of course if I stopped she would have passed out and gone to sleep. By what right does another dominant have to tell the slave of another what she is to do? Am I missing something? Or is this just some passed over asshole in Arizona that is a sore loser?



It would seem to me that if you are questioning your rights vs. his rights, you feel that you may have done something wrong. If you feel comfortable with what you did (as you have defended yourself, I assume that you are), I see no point in asking the question. What do you care? (I'm not trying to be cunty - I am simply asking ... why do you care?) Believe him to be whatever you wish to believe and let it go. Life's too short for extra drama.

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 1:57:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
Why does she care what this other thinks?  She says "I am owned, you will respect him and my decision or we will not have any future contact."  The end.  She can manage 24 employees but not a single online loser?


The additional information does help greatly, and the exercise seems reasonable to me, too (like LA, I see it as a training exercise, rather than punishment).  What I wonder is why this other guy's comments means anything at all to either of you?  I received lots of comments like that about my former Master, who did some things with me that were questionable to others.  To those who simply expressed concern and/or asked questions, I would try to reassure them.  To those who were clearly disrespectful to him or to me in their comments, I would let them know I would no longer be engaging in conversations with them, and why.  Frankly I'm not sure why she's still talking to this guy, and why it's ok with you that she is.

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RE: Remote Punishment - 9/10/2008 2:18:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly.  Being an ex owned slave myself, I can't tell you the number of times, online and off, I would be told just how "abusive" and icky my owner was being- and trust me, we're talking fluffy things like being told to sleep on the floor or have sex with strangers, both things I actually happened to enjoy and ask for at times.  I also have other slave friends I have felt their owners were doing things inappropriate or stupid.

So what?  It's not my relationship, and my relationship isn't theirs.  They are welcome to respectfully share their concerns, but ultimately they are either my friend and respect my choice and situation, or they don't.  And if they don't, then that's fine, we move apart and seek our bliss elsewhere.  I don't waste my time proving to others how happy and functional my relationships are.

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