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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/13/2008 9:54:18 AM

JerryFrankster

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I am totally being repressed by teh patriarchy and need my ass "liberated".

...or the terrorists win.

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/13/2008 1:50:30 PM

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Untouched1282,

--- It has nothing to do with penis envy.
--- Please do not be trite.

Read that exchange again please.

Racquelle:
Plus, I get to leave my dick in the car when I don't need it.

Me to Racquelle:
The topic is (snip) not *men* (snip). Please do try to stay on topic. :-)

dick = man

It's a *joke*. :-)

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/13/2008 1:56:34 PM

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Untouched1282,

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thishereboi:
As a sub who has use a strap on many times, I can tell you, it never made me dominant.

Untouched1282:
Not saying the action MAKES someone dominant. I'm saying it puts them in a dominant position. It's still based on your mindset.

I think most people in this thread understand your position. Personally (and I think a few others are in this camp too), I don't agree with you. Using a strap-on doesn't necessarily put someone in a dominant position. A dominant, doing what they do... using their leadership skills to lead and get what they want... that puts them in a dominant position. The strap-on, if one happens to be in use, is immaterial.

Edited to add: "The strap-on, if one happens to be in use, is immaterial." True, unless the Domme in question happens to be fucking me with it, in which case the strap-on is VERY "material" indeed.

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/13/2008 2:03:05 PM

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yidproquo,

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Because a femme top ordering her butch bottom to strap one on and fuck her does not seem to me like the one with the cock is in a dominant position any more than a male sub ordered to fuck his mistress is in a dominant position.

Bingo. :-)

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/13/2008 2:39:57 PM

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Untouched1282,

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thishereboi:
As a sub who has use a strap on many times, I can tell you, it never made me dominant.

Untouched1282:
Not saying the action MAKES someone dominant. I'm saying it puts them in a dominant position. It's still based on your mindset.

yidproquo:
Really? Because a femme top ordering her butch bottom to strap one on and fuck her does not seem to me like the one with the cock is in a dominant position any more than a male sub ordered to fuck his mistress is in a dominant position.

Untouched1282:
Dominant in terms of the PHYSICAL.

Argh. It's hard not to feel you're being overly tenacious and a tad persnickety. I understand your point of view and I still don't agree. If a Domme asks me to fuck her and she decides if, when, and how the action unfolds, although I'm doing the penetrating and may even be on top, none-the-less I'm not in the dominant position (intellectually, emotionally, or physically). In all respects, the woman being penetrated is in the dominant position. It's irrelevant that I possess the cock and am doing the penetrating. Following your logic, every Domme who enjoys being penetrated, during the penetration, suddenly becomes submissive (in a "physical" sense... whatever). Clearly this isn't the case.

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/13/2008 2:50:17 PM

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malloves69,

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my mistress fucked my ass good yesterday with the 10 in strapon and im still smiling love the way she looks when wearing it love how she prepares me to accept it as it slowly slides all the way in the way she lubes it first ..then she lubes my ass with her fingers ...love her touch loving ..caring ...like the woman she is but still being dominant and in control woman that she is too from when the head slowly slides in until the balls slap my ass that feeling is amazing as it opens me up for her and i relax and enjoy the many feelings that it causes as she has her way with my ass first slowly and then she really lets me have it to remind me who is in charge as she takes me doggy style over and over again after a while she loves laying flat on me as i feel her warmth and smoothness of her sexy body while she holds my hands spread to get better position as i feel go in and out of me ..that feeling really is amazing when she pulls out she compliments me how clean i am for her and yes i do enemas before to make sure i am for her after she was done she left the strapon in me and told me to roll over and then she sat on my face because she wanted me to see how turned on and wet she was the lady is amazing and i love our times together all i know is gawd im hooked and i need to feel that at least once a week ..love strapon play yes she fisted me too 3 times yesterday but this is a strapon post ..just thought i would share the after glow has kicked in ..love that just got fucked and fisted feeling for those men who havent tried it ..please do ..it can be a great thing to share with your lady as she has her turn with your ass have fun ..mal ..she might wear that strapon but i still love the woman she is

BEST POST OF THE DAY AND POSSIBLY EVAH!

Quoted for prostate-erity.

Oops. That's posterity... but what the heck. I'll take a little literary license. :-)

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/13/2008 3:01:28 PM

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aidan,

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Yeah, because amazing knock-down-the-walls prostate orgasms are a real bitch-and-a-half reminder of what callous swine my forefathers were.

"Huh, you women seem really pissed. You should fuck us in the ass. That'll show us."
(snip)
"Tum-te-tum-tum, oh well, I guess we should fuck you then. For teh revenge!"

In your literary hands, netspeak rises from loathsome and intolerable to admirable. Who'da thunk it possible? Well done. :-)

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/13/2008 3:18:09 PM

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I had no problem, but then again, I have different parts.

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/14/2008 9:01:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I had no problem, but then again, I have different parts.

And thank goodness for that!!

*adoresthishereboi* (you never use your name around here, do you?)

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/14/2008 7:40:11 PM

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Okay, here is why I dislike strap-on play, from a submissive perspective.

Woman is beautiful and powerful the way she is. Since I am a straight submissive, I see no reason why a woman needs to wear a penis-looking thing to dominate. Feminists have it all wrong if they are trying to be like men (I think liberal feminists are trying to do this, while radical feminists are not).
For me, it is a beautiful thing to accept and be dominated by a woman as she is. I find it more powerful if she can dominate me without having a penis-looking thing.

Surely, it does depend on how one views strap-on (a penis or a tool, etc). In my mindset, putting a penis in the place of vagina is implying this tool serves the function of a penis, and that really turns me off.

However, understandably, some subs are bi and may enjoy this. A Domme may enjoy this play to humiliate her sub into accepting some form of bisexuality. But for purpose of pure domination, I see no reason why a Woman needs a thing that functions like a penis to dominate.

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/14/2008 8:16:59 PM

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There is nothing gay, bi, or necessarily even dominant about a woman using a strapon on a guy.

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/15/2008 12:57:15 AM

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underlimited,

JerryFrankster addressed the dominant and homosexual themes in your post and I agree with his comments. It's this next aspect of your post that still catches my attention:

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Woman is beautiful and powerful the way she is. Since I am a straight submissive, I see no reason why a woman needs to wear a penis-looking thing to dominate.

While your preferences are important to you and will be to your partners too, in regard to a Domme who chooses to wear a strap-on, it's generally of no concern as to whether you see the reason. Rather, a Domme who wears and uses a strap-on usually does so because *she* wants to. Your opinion isn't part of the equation.

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 9/15/2008 9:48:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: underlimited

Okay, here is why I dislike strap-on play, from a submissive perspective.

Woman is beautiful and powerful the way she is. Since I am a straight submissive, I see no reason why a woman needs to wear a penis-looking thing to dominate. Feminists have it all wrong if they are trying to be like men (I think liberal feminists are trying to do this, while radical feminists are not).
For me, it is a beautiful thing to accept and be dominated by a woman as she is. I find it more powerful if she can dominate me without having a penis-looking thing.

Surely, it does depend on how one views strap-on (a penis or a tool, etc). In my mindset, putting a penis in the place of vagina is implying this tool serves the function of a penis, and that really turns me off.

However, understandably, some subs are bi and may enjoy this. A Domme may enjoy this play to humiliate her sub into accepting some form of bisexuality. But for purpose of pure domination, I see no reason why a Woman needs a thing that functions like a penis to dominate.

Not a problem. I am just as happy using a hand held toy if I want to penetrate my man.

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 8/5/2009 8:05:03 PM

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when a woman fucks a man with a strapon cock, she simply tells him he is no longer a man, and she has transformed him into a pussy, its like she is turning the tables on him, the woman who was always getting fucked cause she has a real pussy, is saying enough, i will give u that cock, and show u how it feel to be a woman, this sort of sex uses the brain, its why it gives alot of pleasure

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 8/6/2009 3:46:53 AM

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absolutely nothing gay about it as far as im concerned when my lady uses her strapon on me

shes exploring my body and mind and im all hers when she does so ..and yes it does feel good

whats even better then strapon play is being fisted by your lady ..once she slides in you that feeling is amazing indeed

both are great ways to submit to a sexy lady i must say and i love the look when she walks in the room wearing that big 10 in cock strapon as its dangling inbetween her sexy legs

and the smile on her face is priceless too as we both know where its going ..love a lady in control ...have fun ..mal

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 8/6/2009 4:02:29 AM

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absolutely nothing gay about it as far as im concerned

Jeez, who cares one way or another? I don't care if it's 'inherently submissive' either. Life's too short.

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 8/6/2009 5:03:39 AM

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This is a subject that has been covered extensively by the feminists. It is so unfortunate that, that word has become a tarnished word. Shulamith Firestone and Simone De Beauvoir both wrote about this...not in the strapon sense, but in the "he who has the penis has the power" sense. They both felt that all heterosexual sex was a a power game...and penetrative sex meant the man had the power. (I'm not agreeing or disagreeing here I'm just pointing out that this has been discussed for 75 years).

More modern feminists such as Mary Daly dealt with this by simply saying that dealing with men AT ALL was unacceptable. Women could either be lesbians or celibate...(this caused Me a very interesting term in College and I'd like to put a nice shout-out to Beth who put up with Me).

Dommes have dealtt with this as well...notably Bitchy Jones has written extensively about this in her well published and well recieved blog. (That I hate).

My point is that this isn't a particularly new topic...and much like many things I think it is an irrelevant topic today. Women, in North America, are getting more jobs and more education than men are. The statistics about who is going to college and who is graduating are staggering. In another 100 years men are going to be totally disenfranchised and we are going to have to have special "boy" programmes to support them through school. (I can't wait). So yes we can have a great discussion on the epistomology of dildos. We could even all agree that yes they represent the great penis of male domination used as a symbol of supression of the various people it is used on...but who cares. All that means is that the new power class is gradually assimilating the power of their former oppressors. *grins*

My point is that as a feminist/opressor argument it is rather old. It isn't a symbol of anything any more...it is a fun tool that we can use to screw with your head.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 8/6/2009 5:40:31 AM

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You're kidding, right? Having a penis affords a man natural superiority when it comes to peeing outdoors. In the bedroom it's a fun and interesting body part, not a scepter.

ROFL, and so utterly true! In the bedroom, the penis and testicles also provide excellent handles for bondage and targets for various nefarious tortures. "Superior" indeed!

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 8/6/2009 5:43:36 AM

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All that means is that the new power class is gradually assimilating the power of their former oppressors. *grins*

Is this another way of saying women are getting fatter, homedspot?

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RE: Feminism and the Strap-on (philosophical) - 8/6/2009 5:59:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub
ROFL, and so utterly true! In the bedroom, the penis and testicles also provide excellent handles for bondage and targets for various nefarious tortures. "Superior" indeed!

I love the way you think.

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