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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/21/2008 2:41:43 AM

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You will also need gloves....usually more than one pair. Remember, everytime you touch something that is not sterile you should change gloves.

Unless you're getting sterile surgical gloves (each pair individually wrapped and opened and donned using sterile technique) out each and every time and everything you touch is autoclaved or fully disinfected, nothing is going to be sterile. Clean, yes. Aseptic, probably. Sterile, no. Pulling gloves out of an open box of gloves is clean but not sterile.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/22/2008 5:12:11 PM

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Unless you're getting sterile surgical gloves (each pair individually wrapped and opened and donned using sterile technique) out each and every time and everything you touch is autoclaved or fully disinfected, nothing is going to be sterile. Clean, yes. Aseptic, probably. Sterile, no. Pulling gloves out of an open box of gloves is clean but not sterile.

True. I clarify: Please don't think one pair of gloves for a piercing scene is ample.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/22/2008 9:42:01 PM

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Unless you're getting sterile surgical gloves (each pair individually wrapped and opened and donned using sterile technique) out each and every time and everything you touch is autoclaved or fully disinfected, nothing is going to be sterile. Clean, yes. Aseptic, probably. Sterile, no. Pulling gloves out of an open box of gloves is clean but not sterile.

True. I clarify: Please don't think one pair of gloves for a piercing scene is ample.

No argument there

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/23/2008 8:10:22 PM

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How many hands do you have?

You don't touch the tip or shaft of the needle, which are the parts that penetrate the skin. You don't touch the spot that's being pierced, because you're either stabilizing the skin around it, or clamping it. What are you doing that requires all the glove changes?

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/23/2008 8:15:02 PM

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fast and general reply...

Unless youd like to ruin the flow of the scene for sadistic reasons like the delay will make things hurt worse...keep some more gloves near enough that you can change them if necessary. Piercing should be as clean as possible but its not necessary to do so with sterile technique. The babydom books on play piercing make it sound like you need a surgical tech and a circulating nurse to pierce my inner thigh...which is coated in my own delicious self at the time...but in fact you do not.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/23/2008 10:18:21 PM

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The babydom books on play piercing make it sound like you need a surgical tech and a circulating nurse to pierce my inner thigh...which is coated in my own delicious self at the time...but in fact you do not.

I'm normally not a safety Nazi, but somehow the only thing that's coming to mind at the moment is DON'T LICK A FRESH PIERCING. *sigh* Sometimes you just have to let all that goodness go to waste

FWIW, I think we tried gloves twice before deciding they were just more trouble than they were worth. But then, I slashed my finger open this weekend with a dental pick I'd been using to pick ancient grease out of a set of gears... wiped the blood off, said "meh", and went about my business. Immune system: use it or lose it!

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/24/2008 5:40:15 AM

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The babydom books on play piercing make it sound like you need a surgical tech and a circulating nurse to pierce my inner thigh...which is coated in my own delicious self at the time...but in fact you do not.

I'm normally not a safety Nazi, but somehow the only thing that's coming to mind at the moment is DON'T LICK A FRESH PIERCING. *sigh* Sometimes you just have to let all that goodness go to waste

FWIW, I think we tried gloves twice before deciding they were just more trouble than they were worth. But then, I slashed my finger open this weekend with a dental pick I'd been using to pick ancient grease out of a set of gears... wiped the blood off, said "meh", and went about my business. Immune system: use it or lose it!

Dont lick the actual piercing site until the needle is out...that way Your germys dont get inside Your victims as much as they would if You licked and then pulled the needle back thru...and puleeezzee go wash Your hands when slashed open and covered in motorgrease....puhleeezzee....im begging you. Immune system...use it or lose it yes....but still give it some help, wouldja??

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/24/2008 12:32:35 PM

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Really interesting post.

I absolutely love play piercing, both giving and taking. I am really into tribal patterns and I recently did a bondage piercing where I needled the girl down the length of both arms, down the thighs and legs to the ankles. I then cross ribboned a full body corset that bondaged her arms by her sides and pinned her legs together. I wish I could put a picture on here.

I think its very important to go through the safety elements, be aware of things such as cross contamination, know where to get your supplies and what supplies you need but its also important to be shown, especially once you get onto the bigger piercing cannula.

Do you know anyone who can come over and show you the basics?

P.S you should be able to obtain sterile corks from the piercing shops. These are good for corking the ends while you work your magic!

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/24/2008 1:26:25 PM

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How many hands do you have?

You don't touch the tip or shaft of the needle, which are the parts that penetrate the skin. You don't touch the spot that's being pierced, because you're either stabilizing the skin around it, or clamping it. What are you doing that requires all the glove changes?

Gloves can tear/split. You may drop something you need to pick up causing your gloves to become contaminated. You may want to go and have a cigi half way though! or you may just have incredibly sweaty hands and need a change. Always a good idea to buy surgical gloves by the box.

If you are doing needles with a partner that you have open sex with then there is no reason to wear gloves. Gloves are in place to protect you and the recipient from surface blood/wounds. They can't protect you from a needle stick, though the rubber will remove a percentage of the blood and they will not protect you from infection any better than well scrubbed hands.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/24/2008 2:28:16 PM

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Eh, I use the regular gloves when I play around with needles- not the sterile ones- although the sterile one's are great for looks I think- they fit better, and come up higher.

I don't feel comfortable with gloveless needle play- it may have something to do with my Drill Sgt screaming, "WHERE IN &^@&!#$ HELL ARE YOUR &^@&!#$ GLOVES PRIVATE?!?!?!"

Scary man, Sgt Dirtyface was. However, I've never forgotten gloves after that instance.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/24/2008 9:03:49 PM

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I ordered my very 1st kit from these folks -- who now also have scalpels, etc... a subsequent order was delayed due to multiple hurricane issues (their supplier was hit first, then we were hit), but they kept me up to date and did a good job for me.

http://www.playpiercingkits.com/

Calla Firestorm

That's good I had bad luck with them ordered their online manual and they never sent it had to file with paypal to get a full refund.
I did how ever find their list of items to be most useful in vetting out my kit.
But I won't ever buy anything form them after the fiasco I had.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/26/2008 11:09:15 AM

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as a health care person who has had to deal with needles in home's were there were no sharp container, we recommend a launry bottle or downey bottle and with a PERMENT MARKER on the outside write MEDICAL WASTE and then when done duct tape the cap in place.

You can really get away with that over in the US? in the UK that would be a prosecutable offence.
Even our sharp bins have to be taken to a hospital to be disposed of.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/26/2008 12:28:32 PM

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as a health care person who has had to deal with needles in home's were there were no sharp container, we recommend a launry bottle or downey bottle and with a PERMENT MARKER on the outside write MEDICAL WASTE and then when done duct tape the cap in place.

You can really get away with that over in the US? in the UK that would be a prosecutable offence.
Even our sharp bins have to be taken to a hospital to be disposed of.

Please please please dont mark the container "medical waste" and then set it loose on the world via your trashcan....
Contact your local needle exchange services...call your own personal MD's office and get friendly with a nurse there...ask at your local pharmacy about buying a sharps container and work out a fee for exchanging it when full.
While im on the subject, if you still get your sodas in those awful plastic ring/holder thingies...cut them before throwing them away so the birdies dont strangle.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/26/2008 5:38:22 PM

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You can really get away with that over in the US? in the UK that would be a prosecutable offence.
Even our sharp bins have to be taken to a hospital to be disposed of.

Well, y'all do have a LOT of things that are prosecutable offenses over there...

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/27/2008 11:20:52 AM

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You can really get away with that over in the US? in the UK that would be a prosecutable offence.
Even our sharp bins have to be taken to a hospital to be disposed of.

Well, y'all do have a LOT of things that are prosecutable offenses over there...

and there is good reason is this particular case. A sharps bin is a particular colour (yellow in the UK) All yellow bins, bags, containers are classed as contaminated waste products and need to be incinerated. Anything that is not in a yellow container could, god forbid, end up in general waste. Contaminated needles in general waste is highly dangerous and if we can't appreciate the hazards it could cause then clearly we shouldn't be playing around with needles.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/27/2008 5:38:48 PM

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and there is good reason is this particular case. A sharps bin is a particular colour (yellow in the UK) All yellow bins, bags, containers are classed as contaminated waste products and need to be incinerated. Anything that is not in a yellow container could, god forbid, end up in general waste.

Do they grind up general waste to make baby food over there?

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/28/2008 5:29:08 PM

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I had not had a chance to read this for a while, and it seems it has become a wealth of education recently.
I work for a pharmacy, so disposal of needles and the like is no problem, nor is obtaining a sharps container. I can get gloves and surgical soaps and cleansers (Hibicleanse was suggested for cleaning the area ) but the needles and kits are my main concern equipmentwise.
Unfortunately, I do not know anyone who is an experienced needle top to walk me through a first time. I am thinking a tomato is my first time best bet. I wont touch Fox until I am confident I am doing it well, and even then it will be one needle in somewhere inconspicuous and preferably not too painful for the first time.
Angel has put the kibosh on piercing Silk for the time being, but if I do decide to do a semi-permanent piercing on Fox, it would definitely be with captive ball rings.
I dont have time to check all the links now, but I'll be getting on that.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/30/2008 12:54:12 AM

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or you could follow the example of a piercing top that I know, love, adore and trust implicitly, and just pop two 18 gauge needles in the outer portion of my upper arm while I was driving. Although, we were stopped at a stop light, so it must have been okay right??? Add to that the fact that I didn't even notive I'd been pierced until about 10 minutes later when she asked me for the tape from my car's first aid kit so she could cover the tips while we went out for dinner with friends. Must say it was pretty fun. And honestly I didn't feel a thing. I thought she was just grabbing and twisting my flesh as usual.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 9/30/2008 3:22:29 AM

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DV, a ripe banana is very similar to human skin. When doctors learn to suture they often cut a banana skin (with the banana still inside) then suture it together. Think on... as long as you can pinch the skin then you should be fine to pierce that area. Balls are very easy to pierce as there tends to be lots of loose flesh.
The hardest thing to get used to when you start piercing is not getting your fingers in the way, especially when your working with a number of needles. Thats why I tend to cork the ends once through.
The other thing to keep in mind is, after you remove them (if you do) don't be tempted to clean the area with anything more than a surgiwipe or clean swab. Puncture wounds are deep and its easy to contaminate them. Letting them bleed is not only awesome

but self cleaning. If you get a bleeder (even more awesome

) don't get all excited like me but put a swab the firm thumb pressure on for a minute and it will stop.

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RE: Play piercing equipment and how tos? - 10/1/2008 2:50:12 PM

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DJ,
I haven't been around here in months so I'm not sure who is around and who is not, but if Bita is still haunting the forums she once wrote me a fantastic walk through on needle play. I never got it copied out of my CM mail and lost it, or I would email it to you.

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