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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 9/20/2008 6:23:26 PM   
SassyBird


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ORIGINAL: SirAndGentleman

Is this a scientific reason why subs should not sleep in the Doms bed ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5197440.stm


That's to assume it is a female sub and male Dom, right?

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 9/25/2008 8:00:52 PM   
nobhobbery


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Status: offline 		Wow. This is something I am surprisingly glad to know.

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 9/25/2008 8:14:33 PM   
bluefireroses


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Status: offline 		I read many comments that stating that this study is dumb, not good etc...while generalizability is an issue with only having eight cases, most of psychology was based on single person case studies. Where do you think Frued got all of his ideas?

Studies like this come out, and show a correlation. They have found some thing 'new' whether it holds up in future studies, we will have to wait and see. Perhaps this was a pilot study, and the researchers intend on doing experiments to see if they have the validity needed to make such a claim.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with their findings, but from a researchers stand point...they make a valid case which needs to be tested further.

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/7/2008 5:53:41 PM   
lemmebeYourMine


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Status: offline 		When did generalizability become a word?  Frued based his ideas on single person case studies... Hmmmmmmm, thinks not.  However you bring up a point toward all of psychology not being a very good, or an very true *accurate* science. Data you see, should be repeatable under the same circumstances, time and time again. Otherwise bluefireroses, it has no value. And that is what most of us have said.  The research is not substantial. 
Also in regard to frued, Are you trying to say he came up with the concept and idea of penis envy from listening to and studying the thoughts or behaviors of ONE single woman, and not a group of them?

Also are you saying science in general and psychology specifically haven't and need not evolve since the time of Frued?


Weird.
Lemmebe.

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/7/2008 5:58:32 PM   
simpleplan2


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Status: offline 		This has to be the weirdest damn thread.  Sleep wherever you want.

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/7/2008 8:22:13 PM   
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Historically, we have never been meant to sleep in the same bed as each other. It is a bizarre thing to do." Urm, historically we all slept in one tent (tee-pee) Or maybe mudhouse. On the floor, and probably in much bigger piles... So what/whose history was he digging into?


That was the part I cued in on, since we evolved during an ice age I would think we huddled together for warmth. How these scientists come up with this, what do they base this assumption on our evolutionary history as to what is normal and what is not? One thing I am sure of, mothers slept with their young, meaning that we are programmed to sleep with others


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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/7/2008 11:17:25 PM   
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She will sleep with me. I don't sleep well alone. I sleep much better with someone in my arms. That report sure as hell didn't include me.

Yeah, I'll second that for sure.  When I have to travel, I'd hardly be able to sleep at all without my wife there.  My sleep might be "disturbed" if she's there, but it's going to be non-existent without her.  Not to mention the fact that I'll gladly put up with some disturbance for the myriad of benefits involved.

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/8/2008 12:04:26 AM   
DefiantFlower


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Status: offline 		Eh...there's a study for everything. Perhaps it's personal preference, traditional views, or a need to be kept safe and close to the man I'm with...but I wouldn't be interested in someone who wanted me to sleep anywhere else but in his arms....or at least a few inches away.

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/8/2008 8:35:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirAndGentleman

Is this a scientific reason why subs should not sleep in the Doms bed ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5197440.stm


please notice the blurb: Sharing a bed with someone could temporarily reduce your brain power - at least if you are a man - Austrian scientists suggest.
 
if a dominant does not wish to sleep with his slave, that is his right.  but, to say no based on a suggestion by some austrians - well, i guess you deserve to miss all the cuddles and love then.


Ha ha!! well said.





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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/8/2008 9:34:57 AM   
bluefireroses


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ORIGINAL: lemmebeYourMine

When did generalizability become a word?  Frued based his ideas on single person case studies... Hmmmmmmm, thinks not.  However you bring up a point toward all of psychology not being a very good, or an very true *accurate* science. Data you see, should be repeatable under the same circumstances, time and time again. Otherwise bluefireroses, it has no value. And that is what most of us have said.  The research is not substantial. 
Also in regard to frued, Are you trying to say he came up with the concept and idea of penis envy from listening to and studying the thoughts or behaviors of ONE single woman, and not a group of them?

Also are you saying science in general and psychology specifically haven't and need not evolve since the time of Frued?


Weird.
Lemmebe.



A. When I used it. Whatever it got the point across.
B. While I could go into details about case studies, experiements etc this forum is neither the time nor the place.

From your 'definition' of what Data should be, then no science is a *true* science...because there is no way in which you can get all the variables to be exactly the same. Science has evolved- yes, but there are certain times where going back to a case study is needed especially when ethical guidelines would limit the ability to do an experiement. Pilot studies and new treatment studies are also studies where a case study might be the best option until the need for further testing arises. Contrary to your belief Frued did a series of case studies, which is what they appear to have done in this study.

You seemed to have missed my most basic point- whether their findings are correct or not, this study needs to be taken further---to a larger sample size, a longer amount of time etc before we condone or condemn what they did.

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/8/2008 3:33:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I let all my subs sleep in the bed, since the four of them are all over six feet tall, Tweedy and I then retreat to one of the other beds in the house, I love looking at them, they're like a big litter of pups. Equally importantly has anyone noticed how sub males snore after milking time?

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/10/2008 2:27:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would just like to point out that the sample size is entirely too small to base this on.  I would also like to say that it's up to the Dominant whether or not He/She wants their subs or slaves to sleep in their bed.  If my owner told me to sleep next to her or at the foot of her bed, I would do so without question.  I also think that many subs and slaves are very physically affectionate with their Doms (I could be wrong), and that "restlessness" wouldn't be an issue.

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/10/2008 2:36:47 PM   
BOUNTYHUNTER


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Status: offline 		IT all depends on how good they were that day, usual they come to bed and watch tv but when sleep time comes they head off to the dorm bed room we have set up right off our master BR near enough to be within our call but not clogging up my bed as I love to spread out at night and Diane love to snuggle with me and with MS Tiffant our small pom, and willow our spoiled princess cat and my wife space is at a premium smile...bounty

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/17/2008 12:38:37 PM   
DavanKael


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Status: offline 		Depends on the relationship, imo. 
If I am in a partnered relationship, I want to sleep with my partner: it goes along with that whole being rather fond of them thing.  I am a cuddle-monster if allowed and comfortable.  Certainly, I would understand it, in my instance, as a great punishment to be deprived of such a thing.  To be permanently deprived would be an exercise in cruelty. 
Again, though, each circumstance is different. 
  Davan

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/29/2008 9:46:41 PM   
ladyacquiesce


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Status: offline 		I did not expect to come to this thread for laughs, but that is hilarious...That article is pure crap.. :)

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RE: Should subs sleep in the Doms bed ? - 10/29/2008 10:19:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

As someone who works in research, the sample size in this study is -way- too small to make any kind of verifiable conclusions from the statistics. 8 couples isn't even enough to make a valid -inference- from, though this might be sufficient for an interesting aside and some future, more extensive studies.




You beat me to this by about a month and a half.   8 couples - pretty much means nothing.



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