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catize -> RE: The Extinction of Female Submission?! (9/25/2008 4:24:54 PM)

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  But nothing is without it's blow-backs and downsides and the one the feminist movement brought with it is a forced stereotype. The movement just didn't begin and end with choice but indirectly pushed it's own ideal of what a woman should be on women. Assertive, tough, independent bread earner with a strong career. Someone who doesn't need the help of a man and can juggle a family and career at the same time. Whatever you can do, I can do better. As you put it, overcompensation. 


 
I can agree that there was a faction in the feminist movement who forgot that just because they didn’t like the status quo, others did. They tried to flip the gender coin rather than equalize it. Misandry is just as wrong as misogyny.  They were not able to accept that to have a choice meant not everyone would take the same options.
No matter how righteous the initial intent of any rights movement there will be a group that twists it and makes it ugly.  That shouldn’t stop us from seeking change where it is needed.   
And yeah, I tried to be SuperWoman, but I got tired.  [sm=hyper.gif][sm=hyper.gif]



SlaveIndigochild -> RE: The Extinction of Female Submission?! (9/25/2008 5:05:11 PM)

Just wondering, appro pro absolutely nothing in particular, whether the extinction of submission as we know it would succeed in extinguishing domination as we know it.........ahhh shame really i was havin such fun.....



NihilusZero -> RE: The Extinction of Female Submission?! (9/25/2008 5:43:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SlaveIndigochild

Just wondering, appro pro absolutely nothing in particular, whether the extinction of submission as we know it would succeed in extinguishing domination as we know it.........ahhh shame really i was havin such fun.....

In a sense, perhaps. So much lies on trying to adjust, curtail and morph ourselves into something that is more directed at seeking the box of what is likely...versus what the box of what is ideally sought.



QandA -> RE: The Extinction of Female Submission?! (9/25/2008 6:13:34 PM)

I'd say, as others have, that a lot of it depends on how a woman is raised individually.  For my part, the impression I got from my (divorced) mom was pretty strong that any kind of relationship was a bad idea.  Sex was not discussed.  Relationships were not discussed.  Life was kept on a pretty superficial level.

I think, for me, my need to submit grew from wanting someone who could explain how this all worked to me.  Mom might be mortified, but she could be the very reason I'm into all this.  *sarcastic grin*

Q and I  have been talking a lot about submission and how it's changed over the years.  I just posted a journal today commenting on "The Taming of the Shrew".

lil Aidan



NormalOutside -> RE: The Extinction of Female Submission?! (9/25/2008 6:16:37 PM)

I can definitely agree with at least one part of your OP - that society is teaching us that everything we want is bad.  If it's pleasurable, it's either sinful, immoral, evil, illegal, or unethical.  Very few people actually take a look at these things and say "but WHY is it wrong if it doesn't hurt anyone?"  Are we really that awful that we want the evil/immoral/illegal things?  Or have we made all the things we want illegal and immoral for some ridiculous reason?



catize -> RE: The Extinction of Female Submission?! (9/25/2008 6:35:58 PM)

 
I had another thought about your OP.  Men are generally considered to be ‘naturally’ dominant, yet submissive males have existed through-out history.  I see that as a pretty good indication that submissive women are not on the endangered species list.



Shawn1066 -> RE: The Extinction of Female Submission?! (9/25/2008 8:16:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I'm curious as to whether or not you find this perception grounded in reality.


The first thought that jumped into my head is that it's never been "right" for men to be submissive, and we've always been around.

DV's Fox



CreativeDominant -> RE: The Extinction of Female Submission?! (9/26/2008 7:50:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Recently, I was having a private discussion with a fellow CM poster I respect very much who has a few decades on me as far as life experience.

One of his opinions that really caught my eye was something that I had reflected upon a couple of times in the past.

That it would be increadingly harder and harder for someone of my generation to find a female submissive for the kind of male dominated relationship that I wanted in comparision to 20 years ago, because society teaches women more and more that what we want isn't right.

Now...don't get me wrong. I am not saying this is a BAD thing or that I wish feminism wasn't around. I would much rather spent more time looking for a partner than live in a society where one group of people were indirectly taught they HAD to do what I wanted, because of their gender.

I'm curious as to whether or not you find this perception grounded in reality.


It's funny...I've heard that opinion expressed before; that feminism cannot encompass submission.  One of my last examples was when my oldest um was going through a women's studies class.  But...if feminism, as defined by Merriam-Webster's:
Main Entry:fem·i·nism [image]http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif[/image]Pronunciation: \ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm\ Function:noun Date:1895 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests — fem·i·nist [image]http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif[/image] \-nist\ noun or adjective — fem·i·nis·tic [image]http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif[/image] \ˌfe-mə-ˈnis-tik\ adjective

is truly about women's equality and rights, then shouldn't that mean they also have the right to choose to be submissive?  They have CHOSEN to live a life wherein many of their own gender will look upon them with disdain or as victims or as doormats or as gold diggers.  Most submissive women I know see themselves as equal to their dominants in all ways, even in power while recognizing that their power is DIFFERENTLY expressed than the power of their dominant.






auburnvixen -> RE: The Extinction of Female Submission?! (9/28/2008 8:41:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue

The more freedom people have to choose, the more they will tend to choose what is closest to their hearts.  Obviously, not all women are submissive.  But in a free-choice environment, those who are, are better able to seek out that which they desire.
 
True emancipation doesn’t tell women they must be dominant, it merely gives them the freedom of choice to decide what they are.


Well said! ~applauds~



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