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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/13/2006 6:02:45 AM   
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Is it not possiable that a prodom may offer a safer experience for newbees to play. Many not all , have studios or better equipment to cater to the host of fetishes they are offering their clients . To clarify this further.This is not to suggest every prodom is trained in cpr or is better qualified in all fetishes than a lifestyle dom. But money speaks .And if a pro does not have something special , either in their qualifications, their host of toys, their knowledge of role playing or something else I have lacked in discribing. then the prodom will not have return clients . Would that not make sense?


It would make sense, but...One thing to keep in mind is that there is no licensing authority, no certificate, no degree, etc., covering Pro Domination. Anyone can call themselves a Pro, and charge people money to do scenes with them. As various posters have indicated, there are those out there who do exactly that, just to get money. You see their ads in the underground newspapers. And they don't give the value for the money that people are looking for. People have bad experiences and, if they don't know any better, assume that all Pro's are like them.

I've never known any of the above type of Pro's. I have known some dedicated scene people who were Pro's. And I would recommend these type of Pro Dominants to anyone who was looking for first experiences, was a do me boy, or who was married and wanted to do scenes but could not be involved in a relationship, etc.

Sure, they charge money (and I only recently found out how much going hourly rate is in our area-hoo boy!) for something that some believe should be given away free (sort of like Net Zero whose premise was that Internet access should be free-even they charge for it now), but outside of a relationship, when the sub has a vanilla wife or girlfriend, or where the submissive is looking only to get and not to give, or with someone that doesn't even know what they want in a bdsm relationship? They are lucky they find someone willing to engage in bdsm activities with them at all.

I think that people who do scenes for other people's benefit, should be compensated. For their time, for the effort involved in setting up and carrying out the scene, as well as reimbursed for any out of pocket costs that are exclusive to that client(i.e. purchasing toys that can only be used on a single person).

People have a choice. Nobody forces you to see someone who charges for their time if you are looking to scene. Nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you go back to a person who isn't good at it. You can sulk and whine about it, and demand that things be done your way (how submissive is that) but that's not going to win you any friends in the bdsm community, and only makes you unattractive to the few, rare, people who might actually be willing to scene with you and not expect cash, tribute, gifts, or anything else from you. They can afford to be very, very picky. I know, I used to be one of them.

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All I have ever said is that PROdommes are in the same class as prostitute in my opinion, when they either imply or expressed that they are to be paid for their services.



A professional is usually someone who charges a flat hourly rate for their time, bills for their travel expenses, and expects reimbursement for their out of pocket costs.

I'm not doing it now, but I used to get paid a rather steep hourly rate for my professional services, including catering to clients' needs, doing exactly what they wanted in order to satisfy them, etc. I spent time with them on the phone, discussing their needs, and then planned everything out and delivered it. They paid for my travel expenses when I went to see them, and reimbursed my expenses on their behalf. So, even though I didn't have intercourse with them that would make me a prostitute, right?

I was a software development project manager.

Classing Pro Dommes as prostitutes in this day and age is not likely to win friends and influence people. Regardless of what you think, there are times when it's prudent to keep your opinions to yourself. That's called "wisdom" and "good manners". Professional Dominants are just that, they are paid an hourly rate to engage in bdsm activities with people. Street prostitutes are women who are paid by the act to engage in sex acts (usually oral and vaginal sex) with people. Escorts are paid a very high hourly rate, as they are a much higher level of prostitute than the crack whore on the street. Pretty Woman notwithstanding, you can't take a street prostitute to the opera or a black tie business dinner, after all.

I think the big issue that causes the gray area is that prostitutes can and do provide bdsm services-see books like the Mayflower Madam for more on that subject-and there have always been those who specialize in it. And a prostitute who specializes in bdsm activities is not the same as a Pro Dominant.

Just as sub males seem to have trouble differentiating between Pro and non-Pro Dominants, they also can't seem to tell the difference between a prostitute who specializes in bdsm and a Pro Dom.

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/13/2006 6:11:04 AM   
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would love to see a poll on this subject and cut through all this nonsense...it make it so much easy find out who think it's one way or the other and maybe settle this arguement once and for all...this thread is not really going anywhere...IMHO

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/13/2006 6:43:42 AM   
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would love to see a poll on this subject and cut through all this nonsense...it make it so much easy find out who think it's one way or the other and maybe settle this arguement once and for all...this thread is not really going anywhere...IMHO



It's all just rhetoric. And rhetoric, by it's very nature, never goes anywhere. It's just supposed to make you think.

There is no way to "settle" the argument. There will always be people who will charge for scening, and people who don't. There will always be people who will pay for scening, and people who won't. And there will always be people who complain about people who charge and people who pay.

It's really nobody's business except the Pro's and their customers. The rest of us are just keeping the thread going.

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/18/2006 10:55:56 AM   
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I think I will advertise myself for services for money on a dating site. I was thinking of Match.com? There must be loads of women on there looking for a partner so I reckon I can make some good dollar, what do you think?

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/18/2006 1:31:27 PM   
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What does this expression "waiting approval" mean?? Does collar me have a policy concerning what you can and Can't write or is it simply a no comment expression to the message board ????

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/18/2006 2:50:24 PM   
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What does this expression "waiting approval" mean?? Does collar me have a policy concerning what you can and Can't write or is it simply a no comment expression to the message board ????


well there are limits to everything, even free speech, the guiding tool is the tos and also the mod notes on the forum.

it means someone has been judged to be naughty and has to sit in the corner until a mod approves the post ;)

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/18/2006 5:59:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

What does this expression "waiting approval" mean?? Does collar me have a policy concerning what you can and Can't write or is it simply a no comment expression to the message board ????


well there are limits to everything, even free speech, the guiding tool is the tos and also the mod notes on the forum.

it means someone has been judged to be naughty and has to sit in the corner until a mod approves the post ;)


How the cribbins did what you just say get approved?! lol

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/18/2006 8:06:03 PM   
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I had no idea hat therey had persons tha treviewed what was said, but I gather , with the goverment being so invloved , I guess you hae to have some form of censorship for lack of a better word...Kind of sad that it needs to be in a forum such as this

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/18/2006 9:18:46 PM   
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I had no idea hat therey had persons tha treviewed what was said, but I gather , with the goverment being so invloved , I guess you hae to have some form of censorship for lack of a better word...Kind of sad that it needs to be in a forum such as this


Not really. From what I've seen, the Mods rarely put someone on moderation without ample reason to do so. It also keeps the trolls at bay; I've seen far too many boards go down in flames because of advertisements and people just being nasty and rude for the sake of being nasty and rude. I'm sure some of the "old timers" remember alt.sex.bondage and alt.sex.femdom.

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/18/2006 10:07:30 PM   
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I had no idea hat therey had persons tha treviewed what was said, but I gather , with the goverment being so invloved , I guess you hae to have some form of censorship for lack of a better word...Kind of sad that it needs to be in a forum such as this.

What's sad is that people can't bother to follow the rules here and the powers that be are forced to step in and take action. Enforcing the rules is a far cry from censorship.

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/19/2006 5:59:00 AM   
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I'm sure some of the "old timers" remember alt.sex.bondage and alt.sex.femdom.


And for those who don't, they are still there. Anyone who needs an object less is free to go to either and see if he or she can find any significant content

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/26/2006 1:52:38 PM   
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I had no idea hat therey had persons tha treviewed what was said, but I gather , with the goverment being so invloved , I guess you hae to have some form of censorship for lack of a better word...Kind of sad that it needs to be in a forum such as this



Sad to say but none the less true. Freedom in Amerika is fast becoming a fairy tale told to and beleived by children of all ages.

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/26/2006 1:56:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix


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ORIGINAL: michaelGA

would love to see a poll on this subject and cut through all this nonsense...it make it so much easy find out who think it's one way or the other and maybe settle this arguement once and for all...this thread is not really going anywhere...IMHO



It's all just rhetoric. And rhetoric, by it's very nature, never goes anywhere. It's just supposed to make you think.

There is no way to "settle" the argument. There will always be people who will charge for scening, and people who don't. There will always be people who will pay for scening, and people who won't. And there will always be people who complain about people who charge and people who pay.

It's really nobody's business except the Pro's and their customers. The rest of us are just keeping the thread going.

Phoenix


Yea I know I have baaad manners. and will not win friends or influence people. But every no and then I just hafta put another log in the fire. Just to keep the thread going.



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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/28/2006 2:42:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

Is it not possiable that a prodom may offer a safer experience for newbees to play. Many not all , have studios or better equipment to cater to the host of fetishes they are offering their clients . To clarify this further.This is not to suggest every prodom is trained in cpr or is better qualified in all fetishes than a lifestyle dom. But money speaks .And if a pro does not have something special , either in their qualifications, their host of toys, their knowledge of role playing or something else I have lacked in discribing. then the prodom will not have return clients . Would that not make sense?




This makes the most amount of sense out of all. If you’re a “Do me” sub and need a scene and someone is willing to offer you what you want then why not? It’ a benefit and hurts no one.

If you are a dominant that has a lot of experience, far more then most & offers a newbie a journey then I see nothing wrong with her/him getting something in return. If a sub comes to me asking to be trained that means that I am a teacher and expect to be compensated for my time. If he/she comes to me and ask to be my slave I have a different set of questions but I am also always leery if he/she is sincere about the relationship or just looking to fulfill a fantasy. I'm not into having my time wasted nor into serving someones fantasies. If he/she comes fully trained then this is another matter... if so they would know that service is part of what I expect. Without this dynamic I'm not interested. Plain and simple. If that makes me a hooker, oh well. I still see nothing wrong with being a hooker.. sorry but I am a strong supporter of the sex industry and feel that people should do what they want. We are, afterall consenting adults and money can't get spent unless someone agrees to hand it over.


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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/28/2006 5:11:55 PM   
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Is it not possiable that a prodom may offer a safer experience for newbees to play. Many not all , have studios or better equipment to cater to the host of fetishes they are offering their clients . To clarify this further.This is not to suggest every prodom is trained in cpr or is better qualified in all fetishes than a lifestyle dom. But money speaks .And if a pro does not have something special , either in their qualifications, their host of toys, their knowledge of role playing or something else I have lacked in discribing. then the prodom will not have return clients . Would that not make sense?




This makes the most amount of sense out of all. If you’re a “Do me” sub and need a scene and someone is willing to offer you what you want then why not? It’ a benefit and hurts no one.

If you are a dominant that has a lot of experience, far more then most & offers a newbie a journey then I see nothing wrong with her/him getting something in return. If a sub comes to me asking to be trained that means that I am a teacher and expect to be compensated for my time. If he/she comes to me and ask to be my slave I have a different set of questions but I am also always leery if he/she is sincere about the relationship or just looking to fulfill a fantasy. I'm not into having my time wasted nor into serving someones fantasies. If he/she comes fully trained then this is another matter... if so they would know that service is part of what I expect. Without this dynamic I'm not interested. Plain and simple. If that makes me a hooker, oh well. I still see nothing wrong with being a hooker.. sorry but I am a strong supporter of the sex industry and feel that people should do what they want. We are, afterall consenting adults and money can't get spent unless someone agrees to hand it over.




Well I'm not going to rehash my previous posts. However I do agree that the sex trades need to be legalized, or at the very least decriminalized, and regulated.

More so that this whole porfessional domme thing should be regulated in a manner that would prevent just anyone from claiming the title with little or no knowledge or experience in the use of toys and activities. Some kind of licensing authority.


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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/28/2006 5:34:03 PM   
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I think if there is sex involved then it is prostitution, if not then it just comes under the same category as paying a professional masseur.

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 2/28/2006 5:54:26 PM   
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I think if you get off on the thought, then within a limited context, it is true..............

I think that if you don't get off on it, it is a service.........

Nobody writes in the box for a 1040........

Occupation: 'Telemarketer'
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'Prostitute'


After 17 pages of this, isn't this really exhausted and shouldn't we all spend more time on relations and relationships?

Can't we just say, 'whatever.......????????????'

LOLOL,

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 3/1/2006 4:07:02 AM   
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Well I'm not going to rehash my previous posts. However I do agree that the sex trades need to be legalized, or at the very least decriminalized, and regulated.

More so that this whole porfessional domme thing should be regulated in a manner that would prevent just anyone from claiming the title with little or no knowledge or experience in the use of toys and activities. Some kind of licensing authority.




That will never happen. I think in reference to Professional Domination there should be some type of regulation but it has never been viewed as a serious profession because of its sexual undertones. Even tho not penetration, blow jobs, etc. are done in pro sessions, it's still sexual IMO. I know because I was a prodom for many years. I saw singles & couples. In fact some of my clients were gay men who sought an experienced sadist. I feel there was a definate need for this as a service. I also think its up to the client to research and find someone who is reputable. There are millions of doctors out there, all with license but only handful I'd even consider. Know what I mean?

But back on topic... in Old Guard, some circles, a green slave would always offer "something" to prove they were worthy of entering the circle. If the sought training from someone who had more experience there is an exchange until that "green" person, be they dominant or submissive, is on the same page & they truly can enjoy each other.


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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 3/1/2006 4:09:54 AM   
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I think if you get off on the thought, then within a limited context, it is true..............

I think that if you don't get off on it, it is a service.........

Nobody writes in the box for a 1040........

Occupation: 'Telemarketer'
nor
'Prostitute'


After 17 pages of this, isn't this really exhausted and shouldn't we all spend more time on relations and relationships?

Can't we just say, 'whatever.......????????????'

LOLOL,

Ron



Its discussion, that's all and one that has many points of veiw. Maybe within all of this we each take something new from it. Lets hope so anyway.


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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 3/3/2006 3:23:38 AM   
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I don't think the original question was even about Pro-Domination. I think the original question was more like, is it appropriate to ask a sub for money at the beginning of a relationship. As a sub, I can tell ya, if someone just flat out asked me for money to "support" items that are already in their posession, I'd head out the door in no time flat. However, if there are additional toys and supplies being purchased in order for a Dom and sub to play, I think it's perfectly appropriate to ask the sub to pitch in and help with the cost of those things. I certainly have no problem with my Dom saying "hey, can you pick up a bottle of lube on your way over" or "we need a new toy for you, why don't you pick something out and i'll pay ya back for half". The way I see it, I'm benefitting from that bottle of lube or that new toy, so I should pitch in on the cost. Just MHO.

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