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TallDarkAndWitty -> So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/22/2008 9:27:52 PM)

The space has been leased, the application approved.  We met with two prospective employees today, and like both.  We have a plan to create a photo studio, art gallery, and private dungeon in our home town, were nothing even remotely like it exists.

We want to be 100% legal and very upscale.  Any employee even suspected of crossing the line between BDSM role play and sex-for-hire will be asked to leave.  We want to have experienced professionals come in to help train the staff, as well as give them a space to work while they are in town.

We have talked about it, thought about it...it seems that it is going to happen.   I still need to build some furniture...but that should be kinda fun.

So give me your well wishes, your warnings, your tips and your advice.  Tell me I am an idiot (like I have never heard that before on these fora) or let me know if you'd like to come up as a guest Domme.  Just share this momentous occasion with me...like many others I have shared on these boards!

Taggard



GreedyTop -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/22/2008 9:35:14 PM)

Awesome!   Best wishes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



SeattleBiC4BiF -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/22/2008 9:41:07 PM)

Sounds like a great adventure!
Look forward to reading updates of your progress.



Riggor -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/22/2008 10:29:37 PM)

I wish you the best in your Venture! Ever need a bouncer, give me a shout...LOL!



Sunnyfey -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/22/2008 10:31:46 PM)

Congrats and good luck darling!

(shameless self permotion) ever need a kinky carnival performance, hit me up...........not litterly...though maybe [:D]



Lynnxz -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/22/2008 10:50:37 PM)

Sounds like great fun!

Watch out for those pesky zoning laws, I'm sure you've already thought of this, but get a lawyer to approve it. If your town doesn't allow dildos ( mine doesn't [:(] ) then they might have an issue with this.

... Then again, you are in NY. ^_^


I'd love to visit as a guest switch when you get it up and running.



BiteGirl -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 3:09:00 AM)

That's awesome and I wish you the best of luck! [:D]



Duckiemine -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 3:44:58 AM)

sounds amazing... I'm really happy for ya'll and all the kinksters in your area that get to use such a space...[:)]




ResidentSadist -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 4:01:11 AM)

Taggard, You have my best wishes and I hope you find your venture fruitful.  



DMFParadox -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 4:14:22 AM)

Good luck, Taggard. Keep us posted... Here in Tampa, it's mostly very private dungeons; there's one reasonably ok one called Master's Quest that advertises, but it's too long of a drive and too expensive for casual play for me. Maybe there's a better one around, but I haven't found it. I'm curious to find out how business is for you; one of these days I'll want to open my own up, and do it right. I look forward to witnessing your venture.



OneMoreWaste -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 5:15:33 AM)

Coolness. Were you able to land one of the abandoned brick warehouses/factories for ambience sake? I always liked the converted building where Rochester Custom Leathers was located.

Hope it works out well for you!



ResidentSadist -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 5:18:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox
Good luck, Taggard. Keep us posted... Here in Tampa, it's mostly very private dungeons; there's one reasonably ok one called Master's Quest that advertises, but it's too long of a drive and too expensive for casual play for me. ...

I wanted to share what I learned from the Quest and how their theatrical license avoided other licensing and legal issues forthem.  I couldn't find the links and references I wanted though.  I know a few dungeon owners that join SCA and/or include a membership contract stating that it is for "theatrical reenactment" only.  

Taggard is in Rochester, NY and I presume they are more sane than the “powers that be” in Tampa.  Also Taggard mentions staff, non sexual contact and other keywords so I know he has done his research but, I offer this little excerpt anyway because it puts some of the issues in a nice nutshell and the contrast between Arizona and California laws, although not applicable, are interesting. 

“If the pro dom’s behavior includes sexual contact or the direct acceptance of a fee, the club owner can be charged with pimping or pandering and the dominatrix with prostitution. These same charges can be filed against individuals who host BDSM parties in their homes if there is sex activity at the party and guests are required to pay an entrance fee. In all states but Nevada prostitution is illegal, with most states limiting the definition to the exchange of sex for a fee. In some states (like Arizona), laws related to prostitution include sadomasochistic acts and in others (like California) sexual contact must be made to be charged. Under California’s law, paid BDSM that includes only humiliation, physical punishment, and/or violent acts would not constitute prostitution even though those acts are for the purpose of sexual gratification.
     Club owners who offer bondage and torture equipment for use by patrons can be sued for negligence in the event the equipment fails and causes someone physical or psychological injury. The same is true for private owners of such equipment. It should be noted that liability insurance (or even a liability waiver) might not offer protection (or an affirmative defense) if a suit is filed.”



BossyShoeBitch -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 5:56:17 AM)

Congratulations and best of luck!  Be sure to keep us posted on the Grand Opening!



CruelDesires -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 6:58:49 AM)

Yes. Good luck with your project. My only recommendation for you is that when you build your equipment, do not skimp on safety. Over-engineer everything to the nth degree. Since the equipment will be used by many, make sure it is as strong and safe as you can make it. Use items such as carriage bolts for all the major connection points. Stainless or load bearing hardware where possible. Safety and durability come first and esthetics come second. If you can incorporate them both, then all the better. Again, good luck with your new business venture.


C-D




pompeii -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 7:09:37 AM)

Good for you!
I lament that the local dungeon to me, Edges, seems to have lost their building in the summer (dunno if they found a new one yet).
I always toyed with the idea of setting up a swing club, vanilla for most here, but, fun nonetheless so I give kudos to Rochester!




AquaticSub -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 9:00:00 AM)

~Fast Reply~

Good luck and best wishes! I hope it all works out! :-)



CalifChick -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 9:21:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pompeii

Good for you!
I lament that the local dungeon to me, Edges, seems to have lost their building in the summer (dunno if they found a new one yet).
I always toyed with the idea of setting up a swing club, vanilla for most here, but, fun nonetheless so I give kudos to Rochester!


(Hijack) Edges found a new space, moved a month or so ago:  http://www.edges.biz/help1.html

Tagg...  best wishes and let us know when you're ready to mail out those comp airline tickets so we can all come to the grand opening!


Cali



LadyHibiscus -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 9:23:08 AM)

Good luck, I am sure that you will have a lot of fun with your new venture, and provide another tourist opportunity for upstate NY!



LifeisgoodSFLA -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 9:35:56 AM)

(Cuffkinks here)

  Taggard,
My little girl and I want to wish you all the best in your venture. It sounds awesome. My girl and I are both former NY'ers, so who knows...We might have to come pay a visit sometime if we make a trip home. Good luck!



UmbraDomina -> RE: So we are taking the plunge and opening a private dungeon... (9/23/2008 10:54:32 AM)

just be careful and protect yourself............... a few current NY issues.........

The NYPD has closed two leading hoses of domination Hidden Chamber and Rapture in the last few months.
Under NY Law BD/SM is not prostitution. However, the police are looking for loopholes. As anyone who had dealt with law enforcement knows if they come after you, you don't need to be guilty of a crime to have your life ruined. Just ask the the White House Travel Office employees under the Clinton Administration. After millions of dollars in legal fees and tax audits they were found to have done nothing wrong.
A legal defense fund has been set up for those still being prosecuted at Rapture. For more information you can go to Mistress Ardenne's blog and find out how to help.
http://mistressardenne.blogspot.com/


quote:

A Manhattan S&M club that billed itself as the "Leading House of Domination in NYC" was put out of business Wednesday after the NYPD busted its manager and seized its business records.
The ladies at the Walker St. club, Rapture, all had "extensive and rigorous" training in the art of bondage, and customers of the Tribeca dungeon were whipped and poked by professionals, its advertising claimed.

On the walls of the club were lists of at least 17 dominatrices - and a list of their special skills.
Whips, chains, hoists and sex toys filled the rooms

"The NYPD does not know the difference between prostitution and freedom of expression," said Reeve's attorney Salvatore Strazzullo.
"There is nothing on the books that states S&M is illegal," Strazzullo said.



Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/09/17/2008-09-17_tribeca_sm_palace_raided_owner_domina_he.html



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